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Well, It took all of about five minutes!!

independentusa said:
What a pile of bullsh**. The FBi never puts out such info during an ongoing investigation. That is why they tried not to do so. And that is why the GOPers in the house did this. Later they will probably say, we can't use this as it has been leaked to the public. I wonder if people ever actually know how our legal system works, especially the FBI.
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Not enough people understand how poorly our justice system works to be sure....
 
Mycroft said:
Oh...

I think you are confused. The WFB ended their association with Fusion GPS BEFORE Fusion GPS hired Steele and Fusion GPS was working for Clinton and the DNC when they hired Steele.

You're welcome...I'm always happy to provide the facts, though I really shouldn't have had to do so. Your own Wiki link gave you the facts.
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And the investigation by Fusion began when they were hired by Someone else other than the Clinton campaign as has been linked in several articles above. We call it the Steele dossier as he finished the investigation that had already begun and wrote the report that ended the investigation. At that time the investigation was being paid for by the Clinton campaign. But the actual investigation was begun by someone other than the Clinton's and so far much of what is in the dossier has been proven to be factual.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Not enough people understand how poorly our justice system works to be sure....
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Why are you so anti-American as to suggest our institutions are corrupt? Our DOJ and Congress? If so, it must mean the Executive branch is the head of the snake.
 
vesper said:
Well Luther you ain't read anything yet until you read the joint release of Goodlatte, Gowdy, and Nunes on the release of the Comey memos.

WHOA! Here's a snippet.

"These memos also lay bare the notion that former Director Comey is not motivated by animus. He was willing to work for someone he deemed morally unsuited for office, capable of lying, requiring of personal loyalty, worthy of impeachment, and sharing the traits of a mob boss. Former Director Comey was willing to overlook all of the aforementioned characteristics in order to keep his job. In his eyes, the real crime was his own firing.
The memos show Comey was blind to biases within the FBI and had terrible judgment with respect to his deputy Andrew McCabe. On multiple occasions he, in his own words, defended the character of McCabe after President Trump questioned McCabe.
Finally, former Director Comey leaked at least one of these memos for the stated purpose of spurring the appointment of Special Counsel, yet he took no steps to spur the appointment of Special Counsel when he had significant concerns about the objectivity of the Department of Justice under Attorney General Loretta Lynch.
As we have consistently said, rather than making a criminal case for obstruction or interference with an ongoing investigation, these memos would be Defense Exhibit A should such a charge be made."
Sun of a Gun!!!!!!!
You can read the entire statement at the link below.
https://intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=879




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Of course only someone brain dead would believe anything that came out of the House intelligence committee. They were really non-partisan in their investigation. And I bet you have never worked for someone you thought was not up to the job for many reasons. I think firing Comey and then telling the country he did it to stop the Russian investigation like Trump did on live TV is enough evidence of obstruction of justice, and anyone with a brain should certainly believe What Trump has told us himself.
 
Mycroft said:
Oh...

I think you are confused. The WFB ended their association with Fusion GPS BEFORE Fusion GPS hired Steele and Fusion GPS was working for Clinton and the DNC when they hired Steele.

You're welcome...I'm always happy to provide the facts, though I really shouldn't have had to do so. Your own Wiki link gave you the facts.
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Oh well thank you. The dossier was contracted by WFB, who bailed on it so it was sold to the Democrats. Along the way Fusion GOS hired Steele.
Is Steele the focus here, or the dossier? Kind of a slender straw, don't you think? If it's too inconvenient to aknowledge the origin of the dossier, maybe quibbling over the day Steele was hired will give some wriggle room.
The dossier was contracted by a far-right organization to try to torpedo Trump's nomination campaign. Deal with that any way that brings you comfort and consolation.
 
JMR said:
I've always been aware of these facts...however I don't see the same "problem" you do. There is no indication that Steele favored the Clintons. He was a British operative with great knowledge of Russia, and had many Russian sources. Do you believe he made up information to satisfy the Clinton campaign?
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???

Why are you asking me? What problem do you think I see?
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
Transparency is required here, Mueller gets no points for his secret government operation.
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What, on earth are you whining about, considering the truth is opposite your posted opinion?

Trump appointed US Atty General serves in the public interest. In the public interest, DOJ guidelines mandate grounds for recusal when conflicts of interests arise.
Atty General Sessions cited DOJ guidelines leaving him no choice but to recuse himself in this particular matter. Acting in the public interest, Asst. Atty General Ron Rosenstein,
also appointed to his DOJ position by POTUS Trump (Rosenstein and Sessions appointments were reatified by the U.S. Senate) determind the need for a Special Counsel investigation
of this same matter involving Sessions' recusal.

Rosenstein appointed Special Consul, lifelong registered republican Robert Mueller, to bipartisan acclaim at the time. Rosenstein has stated numerous times and recently under oath,
his satisfaction with the performance of Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

https://www.justice.gov/usam/usam-1-7000-media-relations#1-7.110
U.S. Attorneys » Resources » U.S. Attorneys' Manual » Title 1: Organization and Functions

1-7.000 - Confidentiality and Media Contacts Policy

1-7.001 Purpose
1-7.100 General Need for Confidentiality
1-7.110 Unathorized Disclosures of Classified Information
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1-7.100 – General Need for Confidentiality

Much of DOJ’s work involves non-public, sensitive matters. Disseminating non-public, sensitive information about DOJ matters could violate federal laws, employee non-disclosure agreements, and individual privacy rights; put a witness or law enforcement officer in danger; jeopardize an investigation or case; prejudice the rights of a defendant; or unfairly damage the reputation of a person.

DOJ personnel should presume that non-public, sensitive information obtained in connection with work is protected from disclosure, except as needed to fulfill official duties of DOJ personnel, and as allowed by court order, statutory or regulatory prescription, or case law and rules governing criminal and civil discovery. Other than as necessary to fulfill DOJ official duties, disclosure of such information to anyone, including to family members, friends, or even colleagues, is prohibited and could lead to disciplinary action. Unauthorized disclosures of sensitive personal or proprietary information could lead to criminal prosecution or administrative action.

[updated November 2017]


1.7.110 – Unauthorized Disclosures of Classified Information

Only DOJ personnel with the appropriate security clearance and a specific need to know should have access to classified information. Those with access must take every precaution to ensure that such information is safeguarded.

It is against the law to disclose classified information to someone not authorized to receive it. Deliberate unauthorized disclosures of classified information, which can endanger national security and undermine DOJ’s law enforcement and intelligence work, will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. DOJ will also pursue all available administrative remedies, including revocation of a security clearance or disciplinary action up to termination of employment.

[updated November 2017]

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/10/us/politics/trump-russia-mueller-rosenstein.html?smid=tw-share
Raids on Trump’s Lawyer Sought Records of Payments to Women
By MICHAEL D. SHEAR, MATT APUZZO and SHARON LaFRANIERE APRIL 10, 2018
....Besides enraging Mr. Trump, the early-morning searches, associates said, also led him to privately wonder whether he should fire Rod J. Rosenstein, the veteran prosecutor appointed by Mr. Trump to serve as deputy attorney general. Mr. Rosenstein personally signed off on Monday’s F.B.I. decision to raid the office of Mr. Cohen, several government officials said.

Justice Department regulations require prosecutors to consult with senior officials in Washington, but not necessarily the deputy attorney general, before conducting a search of a lawyer’s files, which is among the most delicate steps federal prosecutors can take in an investigation.

Mr. Trump has long been mistrustful of Mr. Rosenstein, who appointed Mr. Mueller, and now oversees his investigation. In his remarks on Monday night, the president lashed out at Mr. Rosenstein for having “signed a FISA warrant,” apparently a reference to the role Mr. Rosenstein played in authorizing the wiretap of a Trump associate in the Russia inquiry.

Mr. Trump considered firing Mr. Rosenstein last summer. ..
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Grand Mal said:
Oh well thank you. The dossier was contracted by WFB, who bailed on it so it was sold to the Democrats. Along the way Fusion GOS hired Steele.
Is Steele the focus here, or the dossier? Kind of a slender straw, don't you think? If it's too inconvenient to aknowledge the origin of the dossier, maybe quibbling over the day Steele was hired will give some wriggle room.
The dossier was contracted by a far-right organization to try to torpedo Trump's nomination campaign. Deal with that any way that brings you comfort and consolation.
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Wrong. The dossier was created by Steele. It was not "contracted by WFB". Get the facts straight, eh?
 
Parrish said:
Why are you so anti-American as to suggest our institutions are corrupt? Our DOJ and Congress? If so, it must mean the Executive branch is the head of the snake.
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Pointing out Americas failings is not anti-American, it is a God Damn public service!

It is time to wake up now.
 
independentusa said:
And the investigation by Fusion began when they were hired by Someone else other than the Clinton campaign as has been linked in several articles above. We call it the Steele dossier as he finished the investigation that had already begun and wrote the report that ended the investigation. At that time the investigation was being paid for by the Clinton campaign. But the actual investigation was begun by someone other than the Clinton's and so far much of what is in the dossier has been proven to be factual.
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What evidence do you have that Steele finished any other investigation? As far as I know, Steele's investigation had nothing to do with any other investigation.

I look forward to your facts about this.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Transparency is required here, Mueller gets no points for his secret government operation.
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Wrong, unless I misunderstand you. You don’t reveal the results of an investigation til it is over.
 
Lutherf said:
What stands out first to me is that Comey never bothers to tell Trump that the dossier originated from opposition research and was funded by the Clinton campaign. That would be, I should think, pertinent information to pass along.
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That information was not available early in 2017, although we now know it was originally funded as opposition research by a republican deep-pocket donor working on behalf of some republican opponents of Trump, primarily Ted Cruz and perhaps Jeb Bush, and was taken over by the DNC, also as opposition research, after Trump secured the republican nomination.

Good try, but nothing nefarious by Comey there.

Don't get me wrong, I think Comey is a showboater with an ego the size of Montana, but I don't think he's a partisan. He cares only about the reputation of the FBI; his mistake was his hubris in believing that he was the FBI.
 
post said:
What, on earth are you whining about, considering the truth is opposite your posted opinion?

Trump appointed US Atty General serves in the public interest. In the public interest, DOJ guidelines mandate grounds for recusal when conflicts of interests arise.
Atty General Sessions cited DOJ guidelines leaving him no choice but to recuse himself in this particular matter. Acting in the public interest, Asst. Atty General Ron Rosenstein,
also appointed to his DOJ position by POTUS Trump (Rosenstein and Sessions appointments were reatified by the U.S. Senate) determind the need for a Special Counsel investigation
of this same matter involving Sessions' recusal.

Rosenstein appointed Special Consul, lifelong registered republican Robert Mueller, to bipartisan acclaim at the time. Rosenstein has stated numerous times and recently under oath,
his satisfaction with the performance of Special Counsel Robert Mueller.
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You dont accuse the President of being dirty and then spend it will be two years soon investigating the matter while freezing out the American people.

This is abuse of America, we have rights, and one of them is to get a sense of what laws Trump broke as he asked for the job, a job that way too many dont appreciate him doing, as his business collapse because he did this for America.
 
independentusa said:
The GOP House members forced the FBI to turn over the Comey Memo's to them. It took them about five minutes to leak them to the country. I think that they feel that in somehow they will be helpful to Trump. either in what they say or by making it more difficult for Trump to be convicted. I have to laugh at the GOP as they constantly complain about leaks and it seems that they and their staffs, including the Whitehouse staff, are the biggest leakers. I think that this goes to show you can't trust this bunch. I also think that the GOP has been upset about how leak proof the Mueller investigation has been. They, the GOP, I am sure were thinking that they could use such leaking to stop the investigation. That isn't going to happpen. Trump will have to fire himself out of this mess and then we will see if the GOP puts the country or party first.
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Are you saying the memo was only given to members of the GOP to the exclusion of any and all Democrats?

If you are not saying that, how do you know who leaked the memo to the press?
 
OpportunityCost said:
Grand Mal, please stop pushing disinformation again. Steele joined Fusion GPS after it was hired by the Clinton campaign through Perkins Coie. This has been sourced multiple times on this site.
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You are wrong. Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush and other republican presidential candidates during the primary race initially went to a republican deep pocket donor, who hired GPS for opposition research; GPS hired Steel. After Trump secured the nomination, the DNC bought the same opposition research that had been previously purchased on behalf of those republican candidates.
 
JMR said:
You suggest that it is significant that Steele joined GPS after the GOP was no longer involved.
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1. The "GOP" were never involved.

2. That Steele was contracted by Fusion GPS after Clinton and the DNC hired Fusion GPS isn't just significant...it's fact.

So...again...what problem do you think I see and why are you asking me about whether Steele made up information to satisfy the Clinton Campaign? I've said nothing about that.
 
DiAnna said:
That information was not available early in 2017, although we now know it was originally funded as opposition research by a republican deep-pocket donor working on behalf of some republican opponents of Trump, primarily Ted Cruz and perhaps Jeb Bush, and was taken over by the DNC, also as opposition research, after Trump secured the republican nomination.

Good try, but nothing nefarious by Comey there.

Don't get me wrong, I think Comey is a showboater with an ego the size of Montana, but I don't think he's a partisan. He cares only about the reputation of the FBI; his mistake was his hubris in believing that he was the FBI.
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Comey knew that Clinton and the DNC hired Steele way back in Oct. 2016. That's when the FBI was using the dossier for their FISA application on Page.
 
Nickyjo said:
Wrong, unless I misunderstand you. You don’t reveal the results of an investigation til it is over.
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I am reminded of Mad Men when Don was demanding that Pete get fired for being an insubordinate twit, they were in front of Bert Cooper:

Don: He has to go, "there are rules"

Bert: There are other rules.



You dont call the President we elected dirty, and then freeze us out as the matter is decided over years.....because nobody is in a particular hurry.
 
Mycroft said:
Comey knew that Clinton and the DNC hired Steele way back in Oct. 2016. That's when the FBI was using the dossier for their FISA application on Page.
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And... ? He also knew that Steele had originally been hired by republican primary opponents, prior to Trump securing the nomination. What Comey did not know until early 2017 was that the dossier was going to be made public; that is why he briefed the president on it, to prepare him. So, tell me again why briefing the president on a matter that was soon to be public was such a terrible thing for Comey to do?

Never mind. I don't even want to read it. Believe what you want. I'm done with this silliness.
 
Mycroft said:
1. The "GOP" were never involved.

2. That Steele was contracted by Fusion GPS after Clinton and the DNC hired Fusion GPS isn't just significant...it's fact.

So...again...what problem do you think I see and why are you asking me about whether Steele made up information to satisfy the Clinton Campaign? I've said nothing about that.
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You implied that the FACT that Steele was contracted after Clinton hired Fusion was SIGNIFICANT. I asked how. He is a respected investigator. So why would this sequence of events somehow taint his findings? I believe the findings would be the same regardless of who had hired him. Do you disagree?
 
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