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Arming the world: Inside Trump's 'Buy American' drive to expand weapons exports

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...drive-to-expand-weapons-exports-idUSKBN1HO2PT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In a telephone call with the emir of Kuwait in January, U.S. President Donald Trump pressed the Gulf monarch to move forward on a $10 billion fighter jet deal that had been stalled for more than a year.

Trump was acting on behalf of Boeing Co, America’s second-largest defense contractor, which had become frustrated that a long-delayed sale critical to its military aircraft division was going nowhere, several people familiar with the matter said.
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Trump personally closed the deal for Boeing.

Just what the world needs: more arms. We used to be called the Arsenal of Democracy. Now it should be the Arsenal of Hypocrisy.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...drive-to-expand-weapons-exports-idUSKBN1HO2PT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In a telephone call with the emir of Kuwait in January, U.S. President Donald Trump pressed the Gulf monarch to move forward on a $10 billion fighter jet deal that had been stalled for more than a year.

Trump was acting on behalf of Boeing Co, America’s second-largest defense contractor, which had become frustrated that a long-delayed sale critical to its military aircraft division was going nowhere, several people familiar with the matter said.
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Trump personally closed the deal for Boeing.

Just what the world needs: more arms. We used to be called the Arsenal of Democracy. Now it should be the Arsenal of Hypocrisy.
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Personally, I think we should be the Arms dealer to the world. Yea the world could use more armed people, lots more armed people. Guns are are the great equalizer.
 
And then he cries that our military qualitative edge is disappearing.
 
Rogue Valley said:
And then he cries that our military qualitative edge is disappearing.
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We should buy guns from China, and sale that junk to other countries.
Why do we build the next best defense then sale it to our enemies?


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PirateMk1 said:
Personally, I think we should be the Arms dealer to the world. Yea the world could use more armed people, lots more armed people. Guns are are the great equalizer.
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WE already are. Why do you think our government constantly instigates unrest in the middle east, american weapons supplying all sides
 
MrShangles said:
We should buy guns from China, and sale that junk to other countries.
Why do we build the next best defense then sale it to our enemies?
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:prof Buy low, sale high.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...drive-to-expand-weapons-exports-idUSKBN1HO2PT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In a telephone call with the emir of Kuwait in January, U.S. President Donald Trump pressed the Gulf monarch to move forward on a $10 billion fighter jet deal that had been stalled for more than a year.

Trump was acting on behalf of Boeing Co, America’s second-largest defense contractor, which had become frustrated that a long-delayed sale critical to its military aircraft division was going nowhere, several people familiar with the matter said.
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Trump personally closed the deal for Boeing.

Just what the world needs: more arms. We used to be called the Arsenal of Democracy. Now it should be the Arsenal of Hypocrisy.
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shrug...

If there's a market, why not make money in it?

If nothing else, it'll give the US economic leverage that may be of use at a later date.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
WE already are. Why do you think our government constantly instigates unrest in the middle east, american weapons supplying all sides
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We need to increase our market share and reach.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Personally, I think we should be the Arms dealer to the world. Yea the world could use more armed people, lots more armed people. Guns are are the great equalizer.
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Tanks, air power, and artillery effectively neutralize "the great equalizer"
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...drive-to-expand-weapons-exports-idUSKBN1HO2PT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In a telephone call with the emir of Kuwait in January, U.S. President Donald Trump pressed the Gulf monarch to move forward on a $10 billion fighter jet deal that had been stalled for more than a year.

Trump was acting on behalf of Boeing Co, America’s second-largest defense contractor, which had become frustrated that a long-delayed sale critical to its military aircraft division was going nowhere, several people familiar with the matter said.
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Trump personally closed the deal for Boeing.

Just what the world needs: more arms. We used to be called the Arsenal of Democracy. Now it should be the Arsenal of Hypocrisy.
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It’s big bucks and they either buy from us or someone else. Plus it creates an ally.

Why do you object? Weapons of war and stuff?
 
MrShangles said:
We should buy guns from China, and sale that junk to other countries.
Why do we build the next best defense then sale it to our enemies?


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We don’t usually sell the best version of high tech weapons.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Ever heard of Afghanistan?
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Ever hear of "after more than a decade and a half, the Taliban still are nowhere near regaining power, have lost immense numbers of men and material, and had the benefits of decades of combat experience"?

But sure, try shooting at an Abrams tank with your deer rifle. See how long you last.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Ever hear of "after more than a decade and a half, the Taliban still are nowhere near regaining power, have lost immense numbers of men and material, and had the benefits of decades of combat experience"?

But sure, try shooting at an Abrams tank with your deer rifle. See how long you last.
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You are not very resourceful, are you? Guns are tools just like tanks and artillery. The real weapons system is a pissed off educated hairless monkey with an ax to grind. They INVENT new ways of killing people and breaking ****. They are more dangerous than ANY other weapons system.
 
Mycroft said:
shrug...

If there's a market, why not make money in it?

If nothing else, it'll give the US economic leverage that may be of use at a later date.
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If we don't deliver, someone else will.
 
PirateMk1 said:
You are not very resourceful, are you? Guns are tools just like tanks and artillery. The real weapons system is a pissed off educated hairless monkey with an ax to grind. They INVENT new ways of killing people and breaking ****. They are more dangerous than ANY other weapons system.
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You don’t know much about the real world do ya bud. An actual tyranny—-like Nazi Germany or the USSR—- possesses both the will and ability to use things like tanks, artillery and aircraft—you know, the stuff that your pissed off hairless monkey can’t counter no matter how many deer rifle he has—-to effectively neutralize any sort of guerrilla movement—- which is why most don’t get off the ground.

But hey, again, go take a potshot at an Abrams and let us know how it goes.
 
It used to be that weapons were manufactured to fight wars. Now wars are manufactured to sell weapons.
 
Tigerace117 said:
You don’t know much about the real world do ya bud. An actual tyranny—-like Nazi Germany or the USSR—- possesses both the will and ability to use things like tanks, artillery and aircraft—you know, the stuff that your pissed off hairless monkey can’t counter no matter how many deer rifle he has—-to effectively neutralize any sort of guerrilla movement—- which is why most don’t get off the ground.

But hey, again, go take a potshot at an Abrams and let us know how it goes.
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I know because I was on the receiving end of guerrilla warfare. It wasn't fun. You wouldn't believe what a bag of cement or a couple of tires and some tubing can do. You seem to be stuck on guns, and or have no creativity. Guns are just a tool, a basic one. One of many tools. You don't use a deer rifle on an Abrams or an M4 Sherman. That's just stupid. Tanks, planes, bombs, and guns don't win wars. People do.
 
PirateMk1 said:
I know because I was on the receiving end of guerrilla warfare. It wasn't fun. You wouldn't believe what a bag of cement or a couple of tires and some tubing can do. You seem to be stuck on guns, and or have no creativity. Guns are just a tool, a basic one. One of many tools. You don't use a deer rifle on an Abrams or an M4 Sherman. That's just stupid. Tanks, planes, bombs, and guns don't win wars. People do.
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Gee, that's funny, because guns are quite literally the national obsession. So saying I am "stuck on them"..... ain't accurate.

You can be as creative as you want. It doesn't make you bullet proof, and it doesn't stop a force willing to use sufficient brutality from achieving its goals.

Want to know why there were never any Vietnam-esque guerilla successes in the ancient world? Because they were willing to do whatever it took, even without the technological advantages we have today, to crush a rebellion.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Gee, that's funny, because guns are quite literally the national obsession. So saying I am "stuck on them"..... ain't accurate.

You can be as creative as you want. It doesn't make you bullet proof, and it doesn't stop a force willing to use sufficient brutality from achieving its goals.

Want to know why there were never any Vietnam-esque guerilla successes in the ancient world? Because they were willing to do whatever it took, even without the technological advantages we have today, to crush a rebellion.
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Rebellions are the worst form of guerrilla warfare. Ask Asad, he will tell you. Technology is a double-edged sword and always has been. The more technical something is the more reliant it is on people back home maintaining it. That's a major vulnerability. That kinda messes things up if you are fighting at home, as there are no safe suppy lines and the people maintaining that tech maybe the ones fighting you.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Rebellions are the worst form of guerrilla warfare. Ask Asad, he will tell you. Technology is a double-edged sword and always has been. The more technical something is the more reliant it is on people back home maintaining it. That's a major vulnerability. That kinda messes things up if you are fighting at home, as there are no safe suppy lines and the people maintaining that tech maybe the ones fighting you.
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Ohh, you mean the guy who has repeatedly gassed his own people yet still has legions of defenders in the west claiming it was a "false flag" as well as a great power keeping him in power? You know, overall I don't think he's all that worried.

Actually, if you are fighting at home your supply situation is made much less stressed, especially in a modern, first world country like, say, America, with our infrastructure.

Furthermore, short of a "rebellion" that encompasses every qualified mechanic in the US,there isn't a whole lot anyone can do to sabotage equipment in the first place.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Ohh, you mean the guy who has repeatedly gassed his own people yet still has legions of defenders in the west claiming it was a "false flag" as well as a great power keeping him in power? You know, overall I don't think he's all that worried.

Actually, if you are fighting at home your supply situation is made much less stressed, especially in a modern, first world country like, say, America, with our infrastructure.

Furthermore, short of a "rebellion" that encompasses every qualified mechanic in the US,there isn't a whole lot anyone can do to sabotage equipment in the first place.
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You aren't a logistics wienie, are you? If you were you wouldn't have posted that people can't sabotage equipment. Modern first world countries are the most vulnerable to infrastructure disruptions. If you are fighting at home then your supplies are on the frontline literally.
 
PirateMk1 said:
You aren't a logistics wienie, are you? If you were you wouldn't have posted that people can't sabotage equipment. Modern first world countries are the most vulnerable to infrastructure disruptions. If you are fighting at home then your supplies are on the frontline literally.
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Oh, people can try to sabotage equipment; it just isn't as easy as you seem to think.

With the road systems we have it is far easier to get stuff from point A to point B.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Oh, people can try to sabotage equipment; it just isn't as easy as you seem to think.

With the road systems we have it is far easier to get stuff from point A to point B.
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This is getting tedious arguing with you. You can think whatever it is you like, I dont care. I am tired of playing. I would suggest talking to a military people trained in the arts of guerrilla warfare either SF or Rangers or the like, and or a military logistics wienie, presuming you have a genuine interest in the subject.
 
PirateMk1 said:
This is getting tedious arguing with you. You can think whatever it is you like, I dont care. I am tired of playing. I would suggest talking to a military people trained in the arts of guerrilla warfare either SF or Rangers or the like, and or a military logistics wienie, presuming you have a genuine interest in the subject.
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Yes, I get it. Reality is so much more tedious than your Red Dawn fantasies.

Even in the "graveyard of empires" the Taliban hasn't managed to claw its way back into power after more than fifteen years of war.
 
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