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Mission failure in Syria

Fledermaus said:
How can the attacks be confirmed? Syria can allow the site to be investigated.. Oh, wait. That ain't happening.

Because RT has determined the investigating entity to be evil.
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Investigative reporters on the ground and not associated with Russia or Assad. Live witnesses with names, Real hospital that treated noone for gas. No gas patients. Not social media and manufactured western MSM, but facts on the ground. Swallow the turd.
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DaveFagan said:
Investigative reporters on the ground and not associated with Russia or Assad. Live witnesses with names, Real hospital that treated noone for gas. No gas patients. Not social media and manufactured western MSM, but facts on the ground. Swallow the turd.
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So, still no report?

Imagine that.

The SYRIAN ARMY had had that territory for how long and haven't had an investigation done of the suspected site?

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/16/world/middleeast/syria-douma-chemical-attack.html

Must be harder to clean than I thought.

Oh, any citations for your claims?

Oh, weren't you claiming that attack was by people other than the Syrians? Now there was no attack?
 
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Fledermaus said:
So, still no report?

Imagine that.

The SYRIAN ARMY had had that territory for how long and haven't had an investigation done of the suspected site?

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/16/world/middleeast/syria-douma-chemical-attack.html

Must be harder to clean than I thought.

Oh, any citations for your claims?

Oh, weren't you claiming that attack was by people other than the Syrians? Now there was no attack?
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Fake Media attack by White Helmets, your heroes and dedicated scumbags.
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DaveFagan said:
Fake Media attack by White Helmets, your heroes and dedicated scumbags.
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Syrian medics 'subjected t“There has been a very heavy security presence on the ground ever since the attack and they have been targeting doctors and medics in a very straightforward way,” said Tayara, a Birmingham-based physician, now in Turkey where he is supervising the departure from Syria of some of the Douma medics. “Any medic who tried to leave Douma was searched so vigorously, especially for samples. At one medical point, seven casualties were taken away. The Russian military police were heavily involved. They were directing things.

“They were looking through their WhatsApp messages and phones. The doctors were treated abusively and have been threatened ever since. Their families have been threatened that they will pay a price and they themselves have told they will be arrested, and much more if they give any evidence, or interviews about what happened in Douma.”o extreme intimidation' after Douma attack

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/17/syria-crisis-medics-intimidated-over-douma-gas-attack

As to your doctor you quoteed...

As Dr Assim Rahaibani announces this extraordinary conclusion, it is worth observing that he is by his own admission not an eyewitness himself and, as he speaks good English, he refers twice to the jihadi gunmen of Jaish el-Islam [the Army of Islam] in Douma as “terrorists” – the regime’s word for their enemies, and a term used by many people across Syria. Am I hearing this right? Which version of events are we to believe?

Hmmmmmmmmm

At the same time, inspectors from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) are currently blocked from coming here to the site of the alleged gas attack themselves, ostensibly because they lacked the correct UN permits.

Hmmmmmmmm

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...uma-robert-fisk-ghouta-damascus-a8307726.html

(CNN)There was confusion Tuesday whether a team of international experts had arrived in the Syrian city of Douma to determine whether chemical weapons were used in an attack there 10 days ago.
Syrian state TV and the White Helmets volunteer rescue group said separately that a fact-finding team from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons had come to Douma.
But a US State Department spokeswoman contradicted those reports on Tuesday afternoon. "Our understanding is that the team has not entered Douma," Heather Nauert said.
Adding to the confusion, Syria's ambassador to the United Nations told a UN Security Council meeting Tuesday that the OPCW team could travel to Douma on Wednesday if a UN security team there determines that it's safe to do so. Ambassador Bashar Jaafari said a UN security team had entered Douma Tuesday afternoon.

The OPCW would not comment to CNN on whether its experts were in Douma.
The OPCW team has been in Syria since Saturday, but Russia and Syria had denied it access to Douma, Peter Wilson, the UK envoy to the chemical weapons watchdog group, said Monday. Russia has repeatedly denied the accusation.
 
Fledermaus said:
Weren't you claiming that attack was by people other than the Syrians? Now there was no attack?
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Fake Media Attack according to eyewitnesses. On the ground. They are terrirusts, White Helmets, Jaish alIslam, Nusra Front(al Qeda) and the citizens of Douma will vouch for that./
 
Fledermaus said:
Weren't you claiming that attack was by people other than the Syrians? Now there was no attack?
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The link I provided by FISK, who is an independent investigative reporter in Douma without authorization nor guidance by Russians or Syrians and stated so clearly and unambiguously in the article, walked around and found eyewitnesses and revealed what he had discovered. I know it doesn't fit the air bubbles that pass for information in your gas bucket. You are saturated by Western MSM and couldn't find light sitting on the Sun. If you're butthurt because your heroes wax images are melting, find some real heroes. The Russians help Syrians. The US, UK, France, Saudi Arabia and Qatar help terrorists. Once agein, swallow the turd.
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DaveFagan said:
The link I provided by FISK, who is an independent investigative reporter in Douma without authorization nor guidance by Russians or Syrians and stated so clearly and unambiguously in the article, walked around and found eyewitnesses and revealed what he had discovered. I know it doesn't fit the air bubbles that pass for information in your gas bucket. You are saturated by Western MSM and couldn't find light sitting on the Sun. If you're butthurt because your heroes wax images are melting, find some real heroes. The Russians help Syrians. The US, UK, France, Saudi Arabia and Qatar help terrorists. Once agein, swallow the turd.
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Was there or was there not an attack?
 
DaveFagan said:
Fake Media Attack according to eyewitnesses. On the ground. They are terrirusts, White Helmets, Jaish alIslam, Nusra Front(al Qeda) and the citizens of Douma will vouch for that./
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Was there or was there not an attack?

Why won't the Syrians allow investigators access to the site?
 
Fledermaus said:
Syrian medics 'subjected t“There has been a very heavy security presence on the ground ever since the attack and they have been targeting doctors and medics in a very straightforward way,” said Tayara, a Birmingham-based physician, now in Turkey where he is supervising the departure from Syria of some of the Douma medics. “Any medic who tried to leave Douma was searched so vigorously, especially for samples. At one medical point, seven casualties were taken away. The Russian military police were heavily involved. They were directing things.

“They were looking through their WhatsApp messages and phones. The doctors were treated abusively and have been threatened ever since. Their families have been threatened that they will pay a price and they themselves have told they will be arrested, and much more if they give any evidence, or interviews about what happened in Douma.”o extreme intimidation' after Douma attack

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/17/syria-crisis-medics-intimidated-over-douma-gas-attack

As to your doctor you quoteed...

As Dr Assim Rahaibani announces this extraordinary conclusion, it is worth observing that he is by his own admission not an eyewitness himself and, as he speaks good English, he refers twice to the jihadi gunmen of Jaish el-Islam [the Army of Islam] in Douma as “terrorists” – the regime’s word for their enemies, and a term used by many people across Syria. Am I hearing this right? Which version of events are we to believe?

Hmmmmmmmmm

At the same time, inspectors from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) are currently blocked from coming here to the site of the alleged gas attack themselves, ostensibly because they lacked the correct UN permits.

Hmmmmmmmm

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...uma-robert-fisk-ghouta-damascus-a8307726.html

(CNN)There was confusion Tuesday whether a team of international experts had arrived in the Syrian city of Douma to determine whether chemical weapons were used in an attack there 10 days ago.
Syrian state TV and the White Helmets volunteer rescue group said separately that a fact-finding team from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons had come to Douma.
But a US State Department spokeswoman contradicted those reports on Tuesday afternoon. "Our understanding is that the team has not entered Douma," Heather Nauert said.
Adding to the confusion, Syria's ambassador to the United Nations told a UN Security Council meeting Tuesday that the OPCW team could travel to Douma on Wednesday if a UN security team there determines that it's safe to do so. Ambassador Bashar Jaafari said a UN security team had entered Douma Tuesday afternoon.

The OPCW would not comment to CNN on whether its experts were in Douma.
The OPCW team has been in Syria since Saturday, but Russia and Syria had denied it access to Douma, Peter Wilson, the UK envoy to the chemical weapons watchdog group, said Monday. Russia has repeatedly denied the accusation.
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Repeated so DaveFagan can give us the RT response.

(Cut and run. We will have to wait for the RT talking points)
 
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Oh cr*p...you know what. I hate to say it. But my very first thoughts when I saw those films from Syria repeated over and over again were:
1) Why are they hosing down victims of a purported chem attack with water? How would they know if water was not actually a catalyst for whatever chemical they were dealing with and how would they know if water would be effective anyway?
2) Why were those running through this supposed dense fog of chem fumes be running through it with no ill effects yet no protection? They did not have masks and they were not even trying to cover their faces. Dust is not pleasant. But neither is it threatening in the way you would believe a chemical to be threatening.

So I hate to say it, but it is not entirely out of the realm of possibility that there was no chem attack at all.
 
jnug said:
Oh cr*p...you know what. I hate to say it. But my very first thoughts when I saw those films from Syria repeated over and over again were:
1) Why are they hosing down victims of a purported chem attack with water? How would they know if water was not actually a catalyst for whatever chemical they were dealing with and how would they know if water would be effective anyway?
2) Why were those running through this supposed dense fog of chem fumes be running through it with no ill effects yet no protection? They did not have masks and they were not even trying to cover their faces. Dust is not pleasant. But neither is it threatening in the way you would believe a chemical to be threatening.

So I hate to say it, but it is not entirely out of the realm of possibility that there was no chem attack at all.
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1) Because that is all they have. And it is standard decontamination procedure.

2) Because they may have been clear of the actual chemical weapons.
 
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