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Two black men arrested at Philly Starbucks for trespassing

ecofarm said:
People were all around them with seats and no purchase. Others had used the restroom with no purchase. They said they were waiting for a friend. They said they would buy something immediately. They were told, "too late, get out". Like any reasonable person might do, they decided to push the issue to expose the abuse. Didn't raise their voice. Peaceful protest.
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A reasonable person would not make a scene and cause the police to come take them away when they had a problem with a private business. A reasonable person would walk away and file a complaint.
 
jonny5 said:
A reasonable person would not make a scene and cause the police to come take them away when they had a problem with a private business. A reasonable person would walk away and file a complaint.
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roguenuke said:
So you know, the first incident was the one in LA, and happened in January. It was posted on youtube and went pretty much nowhere. There was not enough info.

What are their names then? I've looked, and so far, all reports say that their names have not been released publicly. We should be able to see if they may have set this up. Considering there just happened to be a writer there who also owns a company who does work for nonprofits (the woman who released the video, her friend shot the video), as well as a youtube person, PinkGal, who filmed the second video of that incident (and who released an earlier video in a different Starbucks of some guy going crazy and another of a woman going crazy in a grocery store). Funny how they just happened to all be in that same Starbucks. Additionally, there were at least 3 other black customers visible between those two videos in some way (one, Pinkgal, was filming the second video), who were not asked to leave. Funny how these guys were meeting some white guy about real estate deals yet dressed like that and he just happened to show up right as they were getting arrested (the one guy was on the phone, likely calling the guy inside). It has yet to be released how long they were actually in there, if they had been in there before, etc.

Additionally, there was no actual "eyewitness" to come forward to say that she was allowed to use the restroom that day without buying anything. The same woman who posted the first, most known video is the one claiming that she heard someone say they did as well as that she was allowed to use the restroom while waiting for her son the day before (it is rude to wait inside a coffee shop or any business including Starbucks to not order anything).
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Good Morning America with Video.

Men arrested at Starbucks were there for business meeting hoping to change 'our lives? - ABC News

jonny5 said:
A reasonable person would not make a scene and cause the police to come take them away when they had a problem with a private business. A reasonable person would walk away and file a complaint.
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Some people are going to judge whatever the black person does and despite all evidence. You'll find ways to suggest this is a set-up, that they can't really be about to do business, that they have to be criminals; whatever they do.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Good Morning America with Video.

Men arrested at Starbucks were there for business meeting hoping to change 'our lives? - ABC News



Some people are going to judge whatever the black person does and despite all evidence. You'll find ways to suggest this is a set-up, that they can't really be about to do business, that they have to be criminals; whatever they do.
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That's a straw man argument and facile to the point of being ridiculous. You are essentially shaming anyone who disagrees with what these 2 men did. Apparently, allegedly, according the the men, this was some big, very important real estate deal. Life changing!
Then why would they jeopardize this meeting and its outcome over a $5 cup of coffee? When, in fact, they were admittedly there using Starbucks as their free office space, and all they had to do was buy a bottle of water or two.
C'mon. This isn't reasonable on its face. But, shhhhhhhhhhhhh! We're not allowed to be critical because the 2 men involved are black?

Sorry, leftist, race-bating, race-card pulling and racial dividing SJWs are not going to obliterate common sense form America while I have the ability to speak up and call this b.s. exactly what it is.
 
Acadia said:
That's a straw man argument and facile to the point of being ridiculous. You are essentially shaming anyone who disagrees with what these 2 men did. Apparently, allegedly, according the the men, this was some big, very important real estate deal. Life changing!
Then why would they jeopardize this meeting and its outcome over a $5 cup of coffee? When, in fact, they were admittedly there using Starbucks as their free office space, and all they had to do was buy a bottle of water or two.
C'mon. This isn't reasonable on its face. But, shhhhhhhhhhhhh! We're not allowed to be critical because the 2 men involved are black?

Sorry, leftist, race-bating, race-card pulling and racial dividing SJWs are not going to obliterate common sense form America while I have the ability to speak up and call this b.s. exactly what it is.
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What did the two men do? Turned up 10 minutes early, chose to wait rather than order and await their colleague like many other solopreneurs and self employed who use coffee shops.

Jeopardise a meeting - they chose to wait like many others are allowed to do at a table. It was 2 minutes later the call to the police went in. And if you want to be critical - by all means but treat everyone equally when you judge them, not just by the colour of their skin.

Sorry, alt right snowflakes attacks are going to obliterate common sense from America when they call anything negative pointed out about unequal impacts on the lives of innocent black people as b.s.

Ah yeah - Starbucks own policy

Starbucks said:
It’s not unusual to see people coming to Starbucks to chat, meet up or even work. We’re a neighborhood gathering place, a part of the daily routine – and we couldn’t be happier about it. Get to know us and you’ll see: we are so much more than what we brew.
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Wan said:
It just seemed likely. Most first-generation Asians have bad hygiene habits.
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Wow... that stereotype seems awfully wrong.

Especially considering I live in a heavily Asian community.
 
Wan said:
Yes, from the government. But not from other citizens.



Then maybe these public accommodation laws are unjust.
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The law is public accommodations.

Hmmm.. you think discrimination based on race is "just"? :shock:
 
sangha said:
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Oh for pete’s sake. This is a completely different time and legal landscape and, despite the ridiculous claims these guys are making about fearing for their lives, no one would have taken these two fools out back to the hanging tree. Regardless of “why” - these locations are private property and they’re under no obligation to allow non-paying customers to squat. We have civil rights commissions to sort out the right and wrong of it all, but instead two guys supposedly in the real-estate business act like they don’t know what criminal trespass is and get themselves arrested.
 
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jaeger19 said:
The law is public accommodations.

Hmmm.. you think discrimination based on race is "just"? :shock:
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I never said it's ok to pass laws to discriminate against people. I am just saying that for the government to pass laws to compel private citizens not to discriminate is unjust. It is not any of the government's business whether private individuals discriminate or not.
 
truthatallcost said:
People are trespassed every day from private property in this country, and this story is only being covered because the two people involved are black. By making a big deal over situations like this, we're creating a situation where black people don't expect equality anymore, they expect special treatment.
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Hmmm.. being allowed to go into a starbucks and use the bathroom while they wait for a friend to arrive is "special treatment"?

I have done that very thing many times.. in fact I have been known to hang out in starbucks using their WIFI without paying. Of course, the people I am meeting like to get coffee when they show up.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
What did the two men do? Turned up 10 minutes early, chose to wait rather than order and await their colleague like many other solopreneurs and self employed who use coffee shops.

Jeopardise a meeting - they chose to wait like many others are allowed to do at a table. It was 2 minutes later the call to the police went in. And if you want to be critical - by all means but treat everyone equally when you judge them, not just by the colour of their skin.

Sorry, alt right snowflakes attacks are going to obliterate common sense from America when they call anything negative pointed out about unequal impacts on the lives of innocent black people as b.s.

Ah yeah - Starbucks own policy
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There is no such thing as turning up 10 minutes early to Starbucks. You enter and you're either a paying customer, or you're not. I don't care if you're a "solopreneuer" or a tax attorney or a kindergarten teacher or a yoga instructor or a stay at home mom or a bus driver or a handy man or a realtor or a whatever. When you enter an establishment, there is a tacit agreement to buy something in order to occupy the space which the proprietor is paying for. The rent, supplies, labor, water, electric and equipment. You know, all those things that are on their books which they have to balance...somehow.

The alt-left keeps trying to use race as a wedge issue, and jump on anything in order to further racial divide and if they can destroy capitalism at the same time, all the better for their socialist agenda.

Your soft bigotry of low expectations is duly noted. Keep those blacks in check, helpless and victimized on your Democratic plantation.
 
Wan said:
I never said it's ok to pass laws to discriminate against people. I am just saying that for the government to pass laws to compel private citizens not to discriminate is unjust. It is not any of the government's business whether private individuals discriminate or not.[/QUOTE
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In a free and just country it is the government's business. One of the jobs of government is to protect its citizens and allow them to participate in society.
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Acadia said:
There is no such thing as turning up 10 minutes early to Starbucks. You enter and you're either a paying customer, or you're not. I don't care if you're a "solopreneuer" or a tax attorney or a kindergarten teacher or a yoga instructor or a stay at home mom or a bus driver or a handy man or a realtor or a whatever. When you enter an establishment, there is a tacit agreement to buy something in order to occupy the space which the proprietor is paying for. The rent, supplies, labor, water, electric and equipment. You know, all those things that are on their books which they have to balance...somehow.

The alt-left keeps trying to use race as a wedge issue, and jump on anything in order to further racial divide and if they can destroy capitalism at the same time, all the better for their socialist agenda.

Your soft bigotry of low expectations is duly noted. Keep those blacks in check, helpless and victimized on your Democratic plantation.
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Actually no. There is no tacit agreement to buy anything.
 
jaeger19 said:
Actually no. There is no tacit agreement to buy anything.
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Actually, there is, otherwise, no Starbucks from coast to coast and beyond would ever have asked anyone to leave-or refuse them bathroom access-if they didn't make a purchase. That has happened countless times to countless people, including ME.

It's not the Free Library.
 
Acadia said:
There is no such thing as turning up 10 minutes early to Starbucks. You enter and you're either a paying customer, or you're not. I don't care if you're a "solopreneuer" or a tax attorney or a kindergarten teacher or a yoga instructor or a stay at home mom or a bus driver or a handy man or a realtor or a whatever. When you enter an establishment, there is a tacit agreement to buy something in order to occupy the space which the proprietor is paying for. The rent, supplies, labor, water, electric and equipment. You know, all those things that are on their books which they have to balance...somehow.

The alt-left keeps trying to use race as a wedge issue, and jump on anything in order to further racial divide and if they can destroy capitalism at the same time, all the better for their socialist agenda.

Your soft bigotry of low expectations is duly noted. Keep those blacks in check, helpless and victimized on your Democratic plantation.
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You can duly note whatever makes you feel better about your view of American blacks. You also obviously haven't read Starbucks own advertising and sales pitch of what it sees itself as, besides if I am early for an appointment at a restaurant or coffee shop, I don't always order ahead. Sometimes it's polite to wait for the other person to arrive.
Might help you get along better with all citizens of your own country to understand that.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
You can duly note whatever makes you feel better about your view of American blacks. You also obviously haven't read Starbucks own advertising and sales pitch of what it sees itself as, besides if I am early for an appointment at a restaurant or coffee shop, I don't always order ahead. Sometimes it's polite to wait for the other person to arrive.
Might help you get along better with all citizens of your own country to understand that.
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See, there you go with alt-left, racial accusations. I'm taking about MEN. Not black men. MEN.
As in, adults who should act like adults and do what the rest of civilized society does, which is pay for services, buy a little something and be a paying customer. A company or their agent has to right to ask you to leave their property and if you don't , face the consequences.
Might help you to be a more civilized human being to understand that.
 
Wan said:
Why should I? Because you say so?
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No, because it is an underlying principle of a civilised society. Never heard the phrase "all equal under the law?"

I read somewhere you said you are in Canada, hope you aren't trying to become a citizen as that very saying is enshrined in Canadian law.

Acadia said:
See, there you go with alt-left, racial accusations. I'm taking about MEN. Not black men. MEN.
As in, adults who should act like adults and do what the rest of civilized society does, which is pay for services, buy a little something and be a paying customer. A company or their agent has to right to ask you to leave their property and if you don't , face the consequences.
Might help you to be a more civilized human being to understand that.
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Read up on Starbucks own policy then get back at me. Ad hominen isn't going to help you in any intellectual debate.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
No, because it is an underlying principle of a civilised society. Never heard the phrase "all equal under the law?"

I read somewhere you said you are in Canada, hope you aren't trying to become a citizen as that very saying is enshrined in Canadian law.
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Oh, that's rich. Apparently, I'm less equal since I was told I had to leave Starbucks or purchase something in order to use the bathroom, I didn't get a big payday.
Why didn't the CEO get on a plane when I was told to leave? Is my comfort not as important? What about my dignity, as I stood there having to pee with no toilet to relieve myself?

Where's my 15 minutes?

Some are more equal than others. Funny how socialist actually want that in order to attain their Marxist society.
 
shrubnose said:
I heard that Starbucks apologized

Just sayin'.
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Why is Starbucks getting the blame when it was one bad employee? 8,000 stores in dozens of countries and probably a hundred thousand employees but one does something stupid and we blame the whole thing? :roll:
 
Maybe if people quit redefining the definition every chance they get and that wont be the case.

When I grew up, racism was having a different/superior opinion of someone because of their skin color.

Now, according to people like the ones in this thread, people can be racist and not even know it.


"I disagree"


RACIST!!!!!!
 
Infinite Chaos said:
You can duly note whatever makes you feel better about your view of American blacks. You also obviously haven't read Starbucks own advertising and sales pitch of what it sees itself as, besides if I am early for an appointment at a restaurant or coffee shop, I don't always order ahead. Sometimes it's polite to wait for the other person to arrive.
Might help you get along better with all citizens of your own country to understand that.
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My first thought...

Acadia said:
See, there you go with alt-left, racial accusations. I'm taking about MEN. Not black men. MEN.
As in, adults who should act like adults and do what the rest of civilized society does, which is pay for services, buy a little something and be a paying customer. A company or their agent has to right to ask you to leave their property and if you don't , face the consequences.
Might help you to be a more civilized human being to understand that.
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Infinite is schooling you bad...
 
AustralianuS said:
Maybe if people quit redefining the definition every chance they get and that wont be the case.

When I grew up, racism was having a different/superior opinion of someone because of their skin color.

Now, according to people like the ones in this thread, people can be racist and not even know it.


"I disagree"


RACIST!!!!!!
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So now it's clear.

The problem isn't that people are "redefining" racism. That's never been the case.

The problem is that you were never taught to understand what racism is and how it can manefest.

Racism is not an emotion, and it's not just an "opinion of superiority".
 
jaeger19 said:
In a free and just country it is the government's business.
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This is your opinion. I for one think it's none of the government's business. So who should the government listen to?

One of the jobs of government is to protect its citizens and allow them to participate in society.
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It is not the government's job to protect minorities from having their feelings hurt, which is pretty much what it boils down to.

Infinite Chaos said:
No, because it is an underlying principle of a civilised society.
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This is your opinion. I think in a truly civilized society, people should be free to do whatever they want, as long as they are not harming someone else.

Never heard the phrase "all equal under the law?"
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Yes, and that means the government should treat every citizen equally. Private citizens are exempt from this. In other words, private people can discriminate, because it is not their job to provide "equal treatment" to minorities.

Sometimes, some white people simply don't like minorities. The latter will just have to suck it up. It's life.
I read somewhere you said you are in Canada, hope you aren't trying to become a citizen as that very saying is enshrined in Canadian law.
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I am already a citizen. Secondly, the laws can be wrong, too. Surely you don't mean to tell me that laws are always right, do you?


Besides, if you want to cite laws, our charter says people have the freedom of thought, however, in reality, they don't. People can think whatever thought except racist ones. Still think the Canadian laws are hot-****?
 
jaeger19 said:
Hmmm.. being allowed to go into a starbucks and use the bathroom while they wait for a friend to arrive is "special treatment"?
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Two white guys who were kicked out of a Starbucks are damn sure not going to get invited on Good Morning America because of it. No one would care in that scenario, and I'm pretty sure the CEO of Starbucks isn't going to invite them into his office for a personal apology.

Mistakes happen, but we're sending the message to America that you better not make a mistake when dealing with a black person, or else you'll lose your job and receive death threats. Tell me how this is supposed to ease racial tension.

I have done that very thing many times.. in fact I have been known to hang out in starbucks using their WIFI without paying. Of course, the people I am meeting like to get coffee when they show up.
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Maybe you don't live in a high crime city like Philadelphia is, so store managers at your Starbucks are more lenient.
 
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