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Cohen and the End Stage of the Trump Presidency

Chomsky said:
The crazy part of this is: Why did he put this all at risk to become President?

I mean, he had it made. Even if it was a smoke & mirrors sham (& it may be), he was living a good life. So why go under the microscope? It must involve a character flaw. Grandiosity? Narcissism? Egomania? Something's not right, here. Something don't add up.
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I can take a logical guess, after watching this corrupt swine swindle, cheat, and wade through mud for decades. He ran for president for two reasons: Vengeance against Obama for mocking him, and a thirst for absolute power, which he planned to use for personal gain for himself and his company. He didn't waste a second in doing just that.
 
Chomsky said:
Yep, a PR stunt that went too far.

I sincerely believe that.
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You could be right. I've always believed the "rumor" that on election night, when Trump was declared the winner, Melania broke into tears, ran from the room, and was inconsolable. God knows, she never, ever wanted this.
 
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DiAnna said:
You could be right. I've always believed the "rumor" that on election night, when Trump was declared the winner she broke into tears, ran from the room, and was inconsolable. God knows, she never, ever wanted this.
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I can't speak to that story, but if true she's probably packing her bags with they way it's going now.

But as I've reflected on the details of Trump's campaign & staffing, I have come to the conclusion it was initially a PR campaign.

And that explains the current problems:

He took-on a rag-tag rogue's gallery of freeloading Ne'er-do-wells, as the campaign caught wind and his popularity rose. He had no prior plans or staffing arrangements. Instead, he was inundated by every Tom Dick & Harry that wanted to sign-on to enrich themselves personally for the short period they expected it to go, ostensibly ending on election night. Most that had signed-on we're not for Trump, but rather had their own personal agendas to enrich themselves as quickly as possible before the train roared to a stop.

But then they won!

And suddenly without warning, they all had to come together somehow to govern. We see the results. And it ain't pretty.
 
DiAnna said:
I can take a logical guess, after watching this corrupt swine swindle, cheat, and wade through mud for decades. He ran for president for two reasons: Vengeance against Obama for mocking him, and a thirst for absolute power, which he planned to use for personal gain for himself and his company. He didn't waste a second in doing just that.
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I dunno. I'm still sticking with, "The PR campaign that went too far"!
 
Chomsky said:
I dunno. I'm still sticking with, "The PR campaign that went too far"!
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Again, you could be right, lol. But you have to admit that from the day after the election, everyone in Trump's camp was basically saying, "Damn! How can we use this for power and profit??" :lol:
 
jnug said:
The GOP is actually caught between strategies. If both houses are in play McConnell will be looking for money to shift over to the Senate. There are now so many house seats leaning dem. All the dems need is half the house seats that are already leaning dem to take the house. Too many Republicans are retiring from the race already and I just do not see them fielding a strong enough field against a women dominated dem field to pull this off $250m or no $250m. The dems have finally disconnected themselves from this national dem platform filtering down to the districts idea. It will be a war. But I am inclined to think it will be a thin margin for the dems. This is a referendum on trump and trump just will not give the GOP enough breathing room to make any strategy they can think of play. Just too much trump for his own good or theirs. They can't abandon but they can't fully commit to him and they won't be able to in Nov either.

The wild card is that well known and often discussed tendency for the dems to grab defeat from the clutches of victory.
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Agreed.

In effect, Trump is the albatross around their necks. They can't go against him, but they can't win with him either They're clinging to a burning life-raft in the middle of a tumultuous sea, not able to let-go to face a certain death, while watching the burning continuing out-of-control to an impending death.

Actually, I like that analogy!
 
calamity said:
Title says it all, story below lays it all out.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/michael-cohen-and-the-end-stage-of-the-trump-presidency

Read it and cheer or weep. Your choice.
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Another Leftist political fantasy.

Tell me calamity: what is your mental health going to be like after President Trump wins reelection and succeeds even Reagan as the most consistently considered "Greatest modern day President?" When his successes keep being compared to Obama's failures, destroying Leftist political ideology forever?
 
Casca XV said:
Another Leftist political fantasy.

Tell me calamity: what is your mental health going to be like after President Trump wins reelection and succeeds even Reagan as the most consistently considered "Greatest modern day President?" When his successes keep being compared to Obama's failures, destroying Leftist political ideology forever?
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That will never happen. Btw, Obama was a fairly decent president, the best one in the twenty first century.
 
Chomsky said:
The crazy part of this is: Why did he put this all at risk to become President?

I mean, he had it made. Even if it was a smoke & mirrors sham (& it may be), he was living a good life. So why go under the microscope? It must involve a character flaw. Grandiosity? Narcissism? Egomania? Something's not right, here. Something don't add up.
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"Some people are so poor all that they have is money."
 
calamity said:
That will never happen. Btw, Obama was a fairly decent president, the best one in the twenty first century.
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actually the Objective Numbers especially in the economy show that of the three 21st century presidents he is the worst.

Even with Bush inheriting a the Tech Bubble recession and being saddled with 3/4 of the Housing Bubble recession, he still had a higher average GDP growth rate than Obama. Trump has twice the average GDP growth rate as Obama.
 
JoeTrumps said:
more wishful thinking and lame predictions.

And let's play out your little fairy tail. Pence is more popular than Trump. He will become President and win reelection and the stupid liberals will be BEGGING for the days of President Trump. Pence goes to church every week(gasp!). That's immediately makes him more dangerous than Hilter to the left.

So keep begging for your own destruction. It amuses me.
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Pence will be on a short leash provided by a Democratic majority in both chambers of Congress.
I'll enjoy listening to his speeches on the dangers of pornography and his insistence that smoking can't kill you.
 
calamity said:
It ends only one of a few ways

1. Incarceration
2. Civil unrest/Constitutional Crisis
3. Global war
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https://www.debatepolitics.com/us-constitution/304047-constitutional-crisis.html#post1068405313

If congressional Republicans fail to hold Trump accountable for firing Mueller, I daresay that would accurately describe a crisis of fidelity, but it would naturally follow that if we are in a crisis of fidelity, then we must by necessity also be in a concomitant operational crisis, because the former paints us into the corner where we are confounded by the latter, thus the two are inseparable. - - Read More at the above LINK
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Chomsky said:
Agreed.

In effect, Trump is the albatross around their necks. They can't go against him, but they can't win with him either They're clinging to a burning life-raft in the middle of a tumultuous sea, not able to let-go to face a certain death, while watching the burning continuing out-of-control to an impending death.

Actually, I like that analogy!
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The other problem the Republicans have is one that we likely have not much considered. Who is actually going to be running for. the GOP in a number of these campaigns for district seats? There is only one trump and now due to the pressure trump exerts on the party a bunch of little wanna' be trumps running around. Good luck with that. So what will they actually be peddling in these districts...chaos sold on a districtwide basis? Sent me to DC so I can help add more impetus to this march toward anarchy combined with some sort of weird authoritarianism built around King Donald? I don't care how much BS they try to build around the tax bill, that is just a hard sell.

The problem with peddling chaos is that you really do not know what a chaos merchant is going to do if you send him to DC. His pitch is going to be "yea man...haven't we all had a bunch a fun these last two years....well send me to DC to join the party!" As weird is that sounds, what else are they going to peddle? Why do you think they ended up with a serial child molester in Alabama? Do you really think that was some sort of accident? How about that stiff in Pennsylvania 18th. Good grief, he even lost in a 20 point trump district! As you and I were just discussing, given what is left of the GOP, how does an old style Republican make the "send me to DC to modulate donald" pitch work politically? Yet how does a true trumplican win in most districts in a general election against a decent candidate?

The Trumplicans are so caught up in their trump worship that they are totally ignoring the impracticality of actually getting voters to vote their way in these mid-terms. Again, I am not implying that dems should just roll up to a starbucks, sip espresso and watch the votes roll in. They have to work at this. But I do think they are motivated and any effort I make to come up with a practical political scenario for the GOP just fails before I can get it off the ground.
 
Casca XV said:
Another Leftist political fantasy.

Tell me calamity: what is your mental health going to be like after President Trump wins reelection and succeeds even Reagan as the most consistently considered "Greatest modern day President?" When his successes keep being compared to Obama's failures, destroying Leftist political ideology forever?
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Let's flip this question around. If, hypothetically of course, Trump is impeached and convicted on multiple accounts of various fraud, what will be your mental state? "Damn liberal deep state!!!" or "This is all fine, nothing to see here!"?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Pence will be on a short leash provided by a Democratic majority in both chambers of Congress.
I'll enjoy listening to his speeches on the dangers of pornography and his insistence that smoking can't kill you.
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exactly. what a nightmare.

and just think of the Supreme Court justices he'll nominate. The left will be begging for Trump to come back.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Let's flip this question around. If, hypothetically of course, Trump is impeached and convicted on multiple accounts of various fraud, what will be your mental state? "Damn liberal deep state!!!" or "This is all fine, nothing to see here!"?
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Well that’s exactly what It is, the investigation into Cohen proves beyond all doubt there is a left leaning deep state against Trump. Clearly there was no interest in pursuing Obama for illegal arms dealing but we have various manufactured scandals against Trump
 
calamity said:
Title says it all, story below lays it all out.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/michael-cohen-and-the-end-stage-of-the-trump-presidency

Read it and cheer or weep. Your choice.
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Yet another prediction of Trump's imminent demise. Without any serious consideration of the merits of this claim on my part, I've still got to say that there have been a lot of those predictions over the last 18 months. I'd think that anti-Trumpers would get tired of being led on by one red herring after another. Apparently they are up for endless suffering and dissatisfaction in life.
 
jnug said:
The other problem the Republicans have is one that we likely have not much considered. Who is actually going to be running for. the GOP in a number of these campaigns for district seats? There is only one trump and now due to the pressure trump exerts on the party a bunch of little wanna' be trumps running around. Good luck with that. So what will they actually be peddling in these districts...chaos sold on a districtwide basis? Sent me to DC so I can help add more impetus to this march toward anarchy combined with some sort of weird authoritarianism built around King Donald? I don't care how much BS they try to build around the tax bill, that is just a hard sell.

The problem with peddling chaos is that you really do not know what a chaos merchant is going to do if you send him to DC. His pitch is going to be "yea man...haven't we all had a bunch a fun these last two years....well send me to DC to join the party!" As weird is that sounds, what else are they going to peddle? Why do you think they ended up with a serial child molester in Alabama? Do you really think that was some sort of accident? How about that stiff in Pennsylvania 18th. Good grief, he even lost in a 20 point trump district! As you and I were just discussing, given what is left of the GOP, how does an old style Republican make the "send me to DC to modulate donald" pitch work politically? Yet how does a true trumplican win in most districts in a general election against a decent candidate?

The Trumplicans are so caught up in their trump worship that they are totally ignoring the impracticality of actually getting voters to vote their way in these mid-terms. Again, I am not implying that dems should just roll up to a starbucks, sip espresso and watch the votes roll in. They have to work at this. But I do think they are motivated and any effort I make to come up with a practical political scenario for the GOP just fails before I can get it off the ground.
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The Right will sell more, "the deep state is corrupt. Purge the DOJ, FBI, and State department. Abortion bad, guns good. And, Mexicans, liberals, teachers, the media and the EPA are ruining your lives" bull****, of course.

There are plenty who will buy it.
 
calamity said:
The Right will sell more, "the deep state is corrupt. Purge the DOJ, FBI, and State department. Abortion bad, guns good. And, Mexicans, liberals, teachers, the media and the EPA are ruining your lives" bull****, of course.

There are plenty who will buy it.
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There own base will....all 24-28% of them. In the super red states, that will be enough. Elsewhere, unless the dems trip over their own d*cks, something they are prone to do, I doubt it.

The deep state is corrupt really does get them anywhere. What are they going to do...get elected and go to DC intending to dissolve FBI and Justice? Good luck with that. Again, selling anarchy and chaos is right up the bases alley....all 24-28% of them.
 
jnug said:
There own base will....all 24-28% of them. In the super red states, that will be enough. Elsewhere, unless the dems trip over their own d*cks, something they are prone to do, I doubt it.

The deep state is corrupt really does get them anywhere. What are they going to do...get elected and go to DC intending to dissolve FBI and Justice? Good luck with that. Again, selling anarchy and chaos is right up the bases alley....all 24-28% of them.
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I'd like to feel confident that our better nature will prevail and the haters, bigots and unhinged fall to the wayside. But, $250 million will pay for a lot of propaganda. And, if there is one thing I have underestimated over the years, it is the power of Right Wing propaganda.
 
calamity said:
I'd like to feel confident that our better nature will prevail and the haters, bigots and unhinged fall to the wayside. But, $250 million will pay for a lot of propaganda. And, if there is one thing I have underestimated over the years, it is the power of Right Wing propaganda.
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We will see. But I do think the dems have to blow this more than the GOP can buy it. The GOP is stuck on the fence post the dems usually find themselves on, trying to adhere to a national platform (in this case trumpism) which is simply not that popular and then find candidates that can thread what is an ever shrinking needle hole. Usually its the dems trying to force a national platform that is simply not that popular down the throats of voters voting for somebody to represent their district.

There is no amount of money that bails the GOP out of this mess IMO. They will surely maintain seats in the true trumplican districts and they will squeak by in purple districts when they can put up a perfect candidate. How has that been working for them lately? They can scream "I am an Idiot" as often as they want to via advertising. At the end of the day, "I am an idiot" is not a particularly appealing message across most voter demographics.
 
The thing that really worries me about the dems and their ability to take advantage of this moment in time is that there are still too many Clinton political operatives bouncing around and HRC herself just won't shut up and go away. Her husband needs to shut up and go away as well.

I don't need to hear their stories of why they lost. I don't need to hear them blame everybody else and then say finally "it was in the end our fault". I don't need any of it. The country does not need any of it.

Democracy is hard work for citizens and politics is hard work for politicians. Citizens must work at this to get good candidates to run and politicians must do the hard work that is required by the job. No, you can't accomplish much with a damned email blast. Your email blast is the cherry on top, not the ice cream.
 
JoeTrumps said:
exactly. what a nightmare.

and just think of the Supreme Court justices he'll nominate. The left will be begging for Trump to come back.
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And those nominations will die on the vine, every last one of them.
With the Dems in control, the days of GOP leveraging a monopoly on the Supreme Court will have come to an end.
Just remember, it was you guys who Jim Crowed Obama on Garland.
 
calamity said:
It ends only one of a few ways

1. Incarceration
2. Civil unrest/Constitutional Crisis
3. Global war
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Or Trump reelection. Or another non establishment Republican taking his place.
 
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