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iguanaman said:
So you agree that Comey cost Clinton the election? Is that why you dislike him?
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Nope. I don't think Comey had any affect on the election one way or the other.
 
PTF said:
Impatience has spread for no reason.
Al I have to say is make sure you close the door behind you. If you abandon ship you're not a true blue American and you will not be missed.
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Trust me, if it gets that bad, that a lot of us do that, you'll be left with the cast of characters from "Idiocracy" and yeah, we WILL be very much missed.

 
Since Presidents TR and Taft, that is, since March, 2013, what has voting and supporting republican presidential and house and U.S. senate candidates
resulted in, related to promoting the general welfare? I cannot think of anything, but I believe I am asking a reasonable question and would
prefer to be persuaded there have been some republican positive accomplishments/results I may have missed.

I am asking whether history indicates voting in republican governance in Washington, DC has ever actually been worth the bother?
For starters, fiscally, the answer is NO.

There are still 4 months and 20 days remaining in the current fiscal year....and the debt increase, so far this first fiscal year under VOTUS Trump?
https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...a-collusion-witch-hunt-13.html#post1068394133
09/29/17 ($20,244,900,016,053) thru 04/10/18 ($21,134,791,585,045) = $889 billion

https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...a-collusion-witch-hunt-12.html#post1068394082
09/30/81: Last day of last Carter fiscal year. National debt: $997 billion (Debt increase, final year (1980-81): $90 billion)
09/28/89: Last day of last Reagan fiscal year. National debt: $2,857 billion (Debt increase, final year (1988-89): $255 billion)
09/30/93: Last day of last GHW Bush fiscal year. National debt: $4,411 billion (Debt increase, final year (1992-93): $347 billion)
09/30/01: Last day of last Clinton fiscal year. National debt: $5,807 billion (Debt increase, final year (2000-01): $133 billion)
09/30/09: Last day of last GW Bush fiscal year. National debt: $11,909 billion (Debt increase, final year (2008-9): $1,988 billion)
09/29/17: Last day of last Obama fiscal year. National debt: $20,244 billion (Debt increase, final year (2016-17): $671 billion)
 
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tecoyah said:
After Donald Trump was elected I gave him a chance, I also gave the GOP and Trumps minion army a chance. The last year+ has been a struggle to say the least as story after story and problem after problem come about while Republicans pretty much ignore it and his TrumpHumpers defend it...I am done.
Very soon we will hear from Comey about extremely nasty stuff and this will continue unabated. Comey will be attacked for sharing and called a liar or worse, regardless of his history of service, honesty and skill. Already websites are created and positions fortified in preparation for the battle these people will engage in....it is sickening and I am finished hoping for civility or intelligence.
Do your worst people and sink with the burning ship, just don't be caught off guard when the rest of America places you in the garbage.
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I am a millennial and I think this country is screwing my generation and younger people. Our generation is higher educated than most previous generations, but our quality of life is very low in comparison. We are in huge amounts of student loan debt, medical debt, federal national debt, and we are barely able to save money at the rates our parents did. I do believe there is a serious crisis on the horizon for America, and I have given up on American is many ways. I don't see a good future here, at least not until things drastically change. I see myself having a better future outside of the US, and I will move elsewhere with my husband, probably in the next 5 years.
 
gdgyva said:
if your heart tells you to vote D, vote D

Anyone that votes for a man or woman just because they have a letter next to their name, isnt a voter, they are just a follower, being led by the billions of dollars being fed into the political machine

Pick the person that most exemplifies your code...your desires...where you want to go...and to HELL with what anyone else thinks about it

D, R, I....i have voted for all three over the last three + decades....more R than the other two....i am after all a conservative...

But more than voting, get involved....and see if you can get better candidates running....that is where we will make inroads

We need to break the molds of career politicians that promise big, and deliver little
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I tend to agree with your sentiment, but this time its different. I live in a Trump state. I have already seen political ads full of people saying they support Trump and wearing MAGA hats. I have seen attack ads on candidates saying they don't support Trump. All I am thinking is screw it, I am going to vote straight D. There are way too many Rs in this state, and they all support Trump. Some Ds need to get elected.
 
SheWolf said:
I am a millennial and I think this country is screwing my generation and younger people. Our generation is higher educated than most previous generations, but our quality of life is very low in comparison. We are in huge amounts of student loan debt, medical debt, federal national debt, and we are barely able to save money at the rates our parents did. I do believe there is a serious crisis on the horizon for America, and I have given up on American is many ways. I don't see a good future here, at least not until things drastically change. I see myself having a better future outside of the US, and I will move elsewhere with my husband, probably in the next 5 years.
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Alf Landon, 1936 republican party nominee, presidential election.:
"I Will Not Promise the Moon": Alf Landon Opposes the Social Security Act, 1936

...I am not exaggerating the folly of this legislation. The saving it forces on our workers is a cruel hoax.

There is every probability that the cash they pay in will be used for current deficits and new extravagances. We are going to have trouble enough to carry out an economy program without having the Treasury flush with money drawn from the workers…

Source: Alfred M. Landon, “I Will Not Promise the Moon,” Vital Speeches of the Day (October 15, 1936), 26–27....
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https://www.amazon.com/Ronald-Reagan-Great-Social-Security/dp/0985910542
......The Social Security Amendments of 1983 laid the foundation for 30 years of government embezzlement of Social Security funds. The money was used to pay for wars, tax cuts for the rich, and other government programs. The payroll tax hike of 1983 generated a total of $2.7 trillion in surplus Social Security revenue. This surplus revenue was supposed to be saved and invested in marketable U.S. Treasury bonds, which would be held in the trust fund until the baby boomers began to retire in about 2010. But not one dime of that money ever made its way to the Social Security trust fund. The 1983 legislation was sold to the public, and to Congress, as a long-term fix for Social Security. With the help of Alan Greenspan, Reagan was a super salesman, who could have sold almost anything to the public—even a scam. And that’s exactly what he was selling. Reagan intended to use the surplus Social Security revenue to replace revenue lost because of his unaffordable income tax cuts. Instead of being set aside for the retirement of the baby boomers, as was the intent of the legislation, the extra Social Security revenue was deposited directly into the general fund just like income tax revenue. From the very beginning, Reagan and his advisors had no intention of saving and investing the new revenue for the retirement of the baby boomers. They needed additional general tax revenue, and an increase in the payroll tax would be much easier to enact than higher income taxes. Also, the potential to get vast amounts of revenue was much greater with a payroll tax increase than from an income tax increase. The baby boomers, the largest generation of Americans who ever lived, were already making large contributions to the Social Security fund. Like all previous generations, prior to 1983, the boomers were being required to pay the full cost of benefits paid to the previous generation. But, the proposed new legislation would hit the boomers with a double whammy. In addition to paying for their parents’ benefits, the new law would require the baby boomers to also pay enough additional taxes to prepay the cost of their own benefits. This would generate a potential gold mine of surplus revenue that could be tapped and used for other purposes. But none of the $2.7 trillion in additional Social Security revenue was ever saved or invested in anything. The actual surplus money was replaced with nonmarketable government IOUs, which cannot be converted into cash or used to pay Social Security benefits. It would have been bad enough if only Reagan had looted Social Security money. But George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush all followed in Reagan’s footsteps and spent all of the Social Security surplus revenue for non-Social Security purposes, just like Reagan. This book is a must read for all who care about the future of Social Security and the integrity of their government........
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The column displaying the red circle in the image below represents the surplus Social Security collection in that year.
Each year the SS surplus was spent as general revenue but not reported as a component of the annual deficit.
This treatment of the intermingling of SS surplus collection with tax revenue actually masked the extent of deficit spending.
The SS surplus collection is reflected in the increasing national debt figure.

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Perotista said:
You ever wonder if the path we're on wasn't a result of the 22nd amendment? I grew up under IKE. He did keep us out of Vietnam, twice. One of his mantras was not ever getting this country involved in another Asian land war. Lessons from Korea. IKE believed in keeping our military strong with what it needed to defend this nation, no more, no less. Yes, warning of the MIC for sure. Plus 8 years of peace under IKE.

If Ike could have run in 1960, no doubt he would have won a third term. Would IKE have put us on a path from defending the free world to being the policeman of the world? I highly doubt it. Being the policeman of the world came long after Eisenhower.

Just some speculative contemplation on my part.
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I think you make a very interesting point, worthy of some discussion.
 
DickBanks said:
Trump was able to grab up a lot of disaffected former Tea-Party people who felt like the Paul Ryan/Ted Cruz wing of the GOP wasn't doing enough to counter the Obama wave.

I remember how elated I felt when Obama was elected in 2008. That's how these folks felt exactly 8 years later.

But these people were simply a target of opportunity for Trump. He could have just-as-well gone totally "liberal." Of course he would not have been a "liberal" in the strict sense of the word, any more than he is a "conservative" now. Populists are not liberal or conservative; they're just popular.
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I believe Trump won solely on his stance on immigration which he put forward with lots of dog whistles...racist, mysogynist, victimhood, that appealed to many people who never actually participated in elections before. He carried the Hillary haters, and enough Republicans willing to give him a chance in the midwest, and the EC gave him the presidency.
 
tecoyah said:
After Donald Trump was elected I gave him a chance, I also gave the GOP and Trumps minion army a chance. The last year+ has been a struggle to say the least as story after story and problem after problem come about while Republicans pretty much ignore it and his TrumpHumpers defend it...I am done.
Very soon we will hear from Comey about extremely nasty stuff and this will continue unabated. Comey will be attacked for sharing and called a liar or worse, regardless of his history of service, honesty and skill. Already websites are created and positions fortified in preparation for the battle these people will engage in....it is sickening and I am finished hoping for civility or intelligence.
Do your worst people and sink with the burning ship, just don't be caught off guard when the rest of America places you in the garbage.
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The fact that Comey is coming out with a book and doing the talk show circuit only proves that Mueller has nothing on Trump because, if Mueller did, this Comey stuff would be extremely detrimental to Mueller's case and Comey would have never done it until after Mueller's investigation was over. So what if Comey is out to make Trump look bad in the court of public opinion? That's all they've got.
 
JMR said:
I believe Trump won solely on his stance on immigration which he put forward with lots of dog whistles...racist, mysogynist, victimhood, that appealed to many people who never actually participated in elections before. He carried the Hillary haters, and enough Republicans willing to give him a chance in the midwest, and the EC gave him the presidency.
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Oh Jeeeeeeeeeesus. Here we go again. It was racists, bigots, mysogynists, and every other ist or ism that elected Trump. If you really believe that then how do you ever expect to win again if this segment of society is this powerful? They're not going away.
 
Moderate Right said:
Oh Jeeeeeeeeeesus. Here we go again. It was racists, bigots, mysogynists, and every other ist or ism that elected Trump. If you really believe that then how do you ever expect to win again if this segment of society is this powerful? They're not going away.
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Please read my statement before you go to JJJJJeeeessus. I said his rants on immigration, which included racist mysoginist and victimy tones appealed to PEOPLE who had never participated before. Those people certainly helped elect trump (along with Hillary haters and Republicans looking to give him a chance....in the midwest where he achieved his EC Victory) There really is no disputing those facts. Are you suggesting that Trump would have won without the MAGA immigrant bashers? Like him all you want, but do recognize the guy next to you who likes him too.
 
JMR said:
Please read my statement before you go to JJJJJeeeessus. I said his rants on immigration, which included racist mysoginist and victimy tones appealed to PEOPLE who had never participated before. Those people certainly helped elect trump (along with Hillary haters and Republicans looking to give him a chance....in the midwest where he achieved his EC Victory) There really is no disputing those facts. Are you suggesting that Trump would have won without the MAGA immigrant bashers? Like him all you want, but do recognize the guy next to you who likes him too.
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I stand corrected. If it was his rants on immigration which got him elected then how does your side ever expect to win again? Shouldn't we be building the wall, and doing all the other immigration stuff if this is what the people want?
 
Moderate Right said:
The fact that Comey is coming out with a book and doing the talk show circuit only proves that Mueller has nothing on Trump because, if Mueller did, this Comey stuff would be extremely detrimental to Mueller's case and Comey would have never done it until after Mueller's investigation was over. So what if Comey is out to make Trump look bad in the court of public opinion? That's all they've got.
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Short memory? Oh yeah, keep postin' about what great shape y'all are in..... reports are Cohen "fixed" unprotected sex
by Trump and his pal Broidy with a couple of church ladies?
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R.N.C. Official Who Agreed to Pay Playboy Model $1.6 Million Resigns ...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/us/politics/elliott-broidy-michael-cohen-payout.html
1 day ago - The documents show that Mr. Broidy has worked closely with George Nader, an adviser to the U.A.E. and a witness in the special counsel's investigation, to help steer Trump administration policy on numerous issues in the Middle East. Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, is examining Mr. Nader's ...
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Sessions Turned to Convicted Fundraiser for Advice on US Attorneys
https://www.propublica.org/article/...-convicted-fundraiser-for-advice-on-attorneys
ProPublica-Apr 9, 2018

In at least one instance, however, Sessions wound up turning to a more unorthodox source for recommendations — Elliott Broidy. Broidy, a longtime Republican donor, was not a lawyer, and thus had no experience as a prosecutor. Moreover, Broidy had been convicted in 2009 for his role in a major New ...
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Elliott Broidy, RNC deputy finance chair, resigns amid reports of ...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elliot...igns-amid-reports-of-playboy-playmate-payoff/

1 day ago - Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who is overseeing Mueller's investigation, personally approved the raid. Mr. Trump called the raid a "disgrace" and "an attack on our country" while speaking to reporters Monday night. In January, casino magnate Steve Wynn resigned as the RNC's finance director ...
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President Trump's Lawyer Arranged $1.6 Million Payout for RNC ...

Fortune-Apr 13, 2018

Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's longtime personal attorney, negotiated a $1.6 million settlement between a top Republican donor and a Playboy ... Sources familiar with the situation said RNC Chairwoman Ronna Romney McDaniel had accepted Broidy's resignation from the finance committee.

WSJ: Cohen arranged hush money for ex-Playboy model
WTHITV.com-2 hours ago


Michael Cohen facilitated $1.6 million agreement on behalf of GOP ...
wtvr.com-Apr 13, 2018


RNC finance official resigns after acknowledging payment to ...
The Hill-Apr 13, 2018


RNC deputy finance chair steps down after admitting Trump's lawyer ...
In-Depth-Washington Post-Apr 13, 2018


Elliott Broidy Quits RNC Post After Report on Payment to Ex-Model
In-Depth-Wall Street Journal-Apr 13, 2018
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GOP fundraiser Broidy attracts controversy after pension scandal | McClatchy Washington Bureau
By Ben Wieder And Peter Stone

bwieder@mcclatchydc.com

February 07, 2018 06:03 PM
Updated February 09, 2018 10:11 AM

...A McClatchy investigation shows that Broidy, who has re-emerged as a valuable deputy RNC finance chair, is linked to controversial figures, at home and abroad, with their own recent legal troubles.

A small defense contractor Broidy owns opened an office last year in Romania just months after Broidy helped introduce a top Romanian politician facing corruption charges there to Trump and reportedly just partnered with a large Romanian defense firm. At home, the firm has seen a big spike in business since Trump took office – and after it lobbied the office of Vice President Mike Pence.And a few years before Trump took office, Broidy, a longtime board member of the hawkish Republican Jewish Coalition, headed up a national security-focused nonprofit group set up - and partially funded - by two movie producers who have been charged by federal prosecutors with defrauding investors of millions. Despite a showy debut, the nonprofit soon vanished from the scene, never filing required tax forms.

All of which raises a key question for Republicans planning to lean on him for funds in the 2018 and 2020 elections: Can Elliott Broidy be counted on to drum up dollars without also bringing controversy or embarrassment? ...
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Moderate Right said:
I stand corrected. If it was his rants on immigration which got him elected then how does your side ever expect to win again? Shouldn't we be building the wall, and doing all the other immigration stuff if this is what the people want?
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I don't think we should be wasting any time or money on a wall, that recent polling shows little support for. And if those people who crawled out of their hideyholes for Trump don't have a candidate speaking to their issues, they will go back to their old practices of not voting. So in a nutshell, I don't think a party that I would support would make an appeal for the votes of the MAGAs.
 
tecoyah said:
After Donald Trump was elected I gave him a chance, I also gave the GOP and Trumps minion army a chance. The last year+ has been a struggle to say the least as story after story and problem after problem come about while Republicans pretty much ignore it and his TrumpHumpers defend it...I am done.
Very soon we will hear from Comey about extremely nasty stuff and this will continue unabated. Comey will be attacked for sharing and called a liar or worse, regardless of his history of service, honesty and skill. Already websites are created and positions fortified in preparation for the battle these people will engage in....it is sickening and I am finished hoping for civility or intelligence.
Do your worst people and sink with the burning ship, just don't be caught off guard when the rest of America places you in the garbage.
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So I should put you in the “not voting for Trump column?”
 
Moderate Right said:
The fact that Comey is coming out with a book and doing the talk show circuit only proves that Mueller has nothing on Trump because, if Mueller did, this Comey stuff would be extremely detrimental to Mueller's case and Comey would have never done it until after Mueller's investigation was over. So what if Comey is out to make Trump look bad in the court of public opinion? That's all they've got.
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I think that is exactly right. If there was a serious obstruction case being pursued by Mueller, it is hard to imagine that Mueller would allow the central witness in that investigation to publish a book and talk openly about it while the investigation was still ongoing.
 
When you don't know who the mark is at the poker table you are playing at,
chances are you are the mark.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/its-all-connected
It's All Connected
TPM (blog)-Apr 13, 2018
In 2017 Michael Cohen negotiated a $1.6 million hush deal for a major GOP fundraiser named Elliott Broidy, deputy finance chairman of the RNC. If that name ... Nader, in turn, is the guy who set up those meetings in the Seychelles which brought together Erik Prince and that Russian banker. Both Nader and Broidy have been frequent visitors to the White House during Trump’s presidency and involved in ways that are still not totally clear in the mix of money negotiations, geopolitics and Russia back channels with a series of Gulf emirates....
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Why a UAE Adviser Working With Mueller Is Bad for Trump - NYMag
Why a UAE Adviser Working With Mueller Is Bad for Trump

Mar 7, 2018 - The UAE failed to notify the Obama administration of the visit beforehand, and the breach of protocol raised concerns in the U.S. intelligence community...
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tecoyah said:
After Donald Trump was elected I gave him a chance, I also gave the GOP and Trumps minion army a chance. The last year+ has been a struggle to say the least as story after story and problem after problem come about while Republicans pretty much ignore it and his TrumpHumpers defend it...I am done.
Very soon we will hear from Comey about extremely nasty stuff and this will continue unabated. Comey will be attacked for sharing and called a liar or worse, regardless of his history of service, honesty and skill. Already websites are created and positions fortified in preparation for the battle these people will engage in....it is sickening and I am finished hoping for civility or intelligence.
Do your worst people and sink with the burning ship, just don't be caught off guard when the rest of America places you in the garbage.
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I think my "I'm giving Trump a chance" phase lasted less than three days.
 
tecoyah said:
After Donald Trump was elected I gave him a chance, I also gave the GOP and Trumps minion army a chance. The last year+ has been a struggle to say the least as story after story and problem after problem come about while Republicans pretty much ignore it and his TrumpHumpers defend it...I am done.
Very soon we will hear from Comey about extremely nasty stuff and this will continue unabated. Comey will be attacked for sharing and called a liar or worse, regardless of his history of service, honesty and skill. Already websites are created and positions fortified in preparation for the battle these people will engage in....it is sickening and I am finished hoping for civility or intelligence.
Do your worst people and sink with the burning ship, just don't be caught off guard when the rest of America places you in the garbage.
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You were supposed to notice all the incompetence's and abuses of the ones who brought America to this point, and wake up for the need for better people and reforms of the systems....systems which are somewhere between weak and crashing most of them you may have noticed, which will lead to BIG PAIN.

I dont feel the least bit sorry for supporting Trump, but I am sorry for America with too many dim and too many lazy and too many immoral.

Who refuse to wise up even when a Trump shows up.






We get what we get now..
 
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AlbqOwl said:
Nope. I don't think Comey had any affect on the election one way or the other.
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Yet you tout the Democrats that do? LOL. It certainly proved that he was not in the tank for Hillary. Surely you can at least admit that. Comey is a life-long Republican as is Mueller.
 
Fletch said:
I think that is exactly right. If there was a serious obstruction case being pursued by Mueller, it is hard to imagine that Mueller would allow the central witness in that investigation to publish a book and talk openly about it while the investigation was still ongoing.
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LOL Right, because Mueller is King and can take away a person's legal rights with a wave of his sceptre? Comey is a private citizen now and can do what he wants. Mueller has his testimony for his report so he got what he wanted. Comey wants Trump exposed for what he is. A coward and a criminal.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL Right, because Mueller is King and can take away a person's legal rights with a wave of his sceptre? Comey is a private citizen now and can do what he wants. Mueller has his testimony for his report so he got what he wanted. Comey wants Trump exposed for what he is. A coward and a criminal.
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I doubt Mueller cares about the Comey book. I do wish Comey had avoided some of the more salacious stuff. I don't care that Donald looked like he had been using eye cups and a suntanning bed. Who cares really? Though again while that stuff is likely true, that is the sort of stuff a more balanced editor would have discussed with Comey if there was to be no co-author. I don't think stuff like that sells more than 2-3% more books. But an editor cares about that 2-3%. I could care less.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL Right, because Mueller is King and can take away a person's legal rights with a wave of his sceptre? Comey is a private citizen now and can do what he wants.
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Thank you Captain Obvious. Tell me, have you any insight into from which direction the sun will rise this morning? :roll: If Mueller, a former directer of the FBI asked his longtime friend Comey, also a former director of the FBI to postpone his book until the investigation was complete so as not to compromise it in any way, would Comey have said no? Ponder upon that for a while.
Mueller has his testimony for his report so he got what he wanted. Comey wants Trump exposed for what he is. A coward and a criminal.
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Then Comey is a failure since his book accomplish neither.
 
post said:
Short memory? Oh yeah, keep postin' about what great shape y'all are in..... reports are Cohen "fixed" unprotected sex
by Trump and his pal Broidy with a couple of church ladies?
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Please show where anyone anywhere has anything on Trump. Why post a bunch of nonsense that doesn't apply to the question?
 
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