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https://www.cnn.com/2018/04N3JsfvQe/10/politics/never-trump-republicans-disappear/index.html

Good article discussing that despite the fact that Trump is deeply unpopular with everyone else, his support with GOP voters has actually increased. There is still a small (but vocal) group of Never Trump GOP voters out there, but the fact of the matter is...most of them have become full fledged Trump supporters, and are supporting him nearly on the same level they have previous Republican presidents.

Now, will this trend continue after Trump is gone from office, whether that is sometime soon, or possibly (hopefully not) in 2024? Only time will tell. I'm still of the belief that most GOP voters will eventually abandon him like they did with GWB, especially if he remains a very unpopular president. But who knows, maybe Trump HAS taken over the party for good, and Trump type candidates will be the only ones elected by the GOP voters in the future. It is interesting (and amusing) to see life long Republicans like Paul Ryan being (literally) driven out of the party by Trump and his goons, especially considering that the GOP and right wing media created the environment for someone like Trump to thrive in. And despite doing everything they could, including BEGGING their voters to NOT vote for Trump in the primaries...they ultimately ended up stuck with this clown as the leader of their party, who is also destroying them. Karma is a bitch.
 
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Puigb said:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04N3JsfvQe/10/politics/never-trump-republicans-disappear/index.html

Good article discussing that despite the fact that Trump is deeply unpopular with everyone else, his support with GOP voters has actually increased. There is still a small (but vocal) group of Never Trump GOP voters out there, but the fact of the matter is...most of them have become full fledged Trump supporters, and are supporting him nearly on the same level they have previous Republican presidents.

Now, will this trend continue after Trump is gone from office, whether that is sometime soon, or possibly (hopefully not) in 2024? Only time will tell. I'm still of the belief that most GOP voters will eventually abandon him like they did with GWB, especially if he remains a very unpopular president. But who knows, maybe Trump HAS taken over the party for good, and Trump type candidates will be the only ones elected by the GOP voters in the future. It is interesting (and amusing) to see life long Republicans like Paul Ryan being (literally) driven out of the party by Trump and his goons, especially considering that the GOP and right wing media created the environment for someone like Trump to thrive in. And despite doing everything they can, including BEGGING their voters to NOT vote for Trump in the primaries...they ultimately ended up stuck with this clown as the leader of their party, who is also destroying them. Karma is a bitch.
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Just goes to show how useless the legacy R were.....
 
Puigb said:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04N3JsfvQe/10/politics/never-trump-republicans-disappear/index.html

Good article discussing that despite the fact that Trump is deeply unpopular with everyone else, his support with GOP voters has actually increased. There is still a small (but vocal) group of Never Trump GOP voters out there, but the fact of the matter is...most of them have become full fledged Trump supporters, and are supporting him nearly on the same level they have previous Republican presidents.

Now, will this trend continue after Trump is gone from office, whether that is sometime soon, or possibly (hopefully not) in 2024? Only time will tell. I'm still of the belief that most GOP voters will eventually abandon him like they did with GWB, especially if he remains a very unpopular president. But who knows, maybe Trump HAS taken over the party for good, and Trump type candidates will be the only ones elected by the GOP voters in the future. It is interesting (and amusing) to see life long Republicans like Paul Ryan being (literally) driven out of the party by Trump and his goons, especially considering that the GOP and right wing media created the environment for someone like Trump to thrive in. And despite doing everything they could, including BEGGING their voters to NOT vote for Trump in the primaries...they ultimately ended up stuck with this clown as the leader of their party, who is also destroying them. Karma is a bitch.
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I always maintained that Trump was a terrible candidate and an extremely flawed and dangerous person who would make a terrible president but I thought the silver lining was he would lose the 2016 election and provide the human enema for the purging of the right libertarians and tea party know nothings from the GOP so the normal people could reclaim their hijacked party.

I did not foresee the Russian interference nor the Comey interference which would help him win an Electoral College narrow win despite rejection by the vote of the people.

So the massive enema and the purge of the party did not come. But it now looks like it was only delayed and that purging of the GOP begins in earnest this November.
 
Puigb said:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04N3JsfvQe/10/politics/never-trump-republicans-disappear/index.html

Good article discussing that despite the fact that Trump is deeply unpopular with everyone else, his support with GOP voters has actually increased. There is still a small (but vocal) group of Never Trump GOP voters out there, but the fact of the matter is...most of them have become full fledged Trump supporters, and are supporting him nearly on the same level they have previous Republican presidents.

Now, will this trend continue after Trump is gone from office, whether that is sometime soon, or possibly (hopefully not) in 2024? Only time will tell. I'm still of the belief that most GOP voters will eventually abandon him like they did with GWB, especially if he remains a very unpopular president. But who knows, maybe Trump HAS taken over the party for good, and Trump type candidates will be the only ones elected by the GOP voters in the future. It is interesting (and amusing) to see life long Republicans like Paul Ryan being (literally) driven out of the party by Trump and his goons, especially considering that the GOP and right wing media created the environment for someone like Trump to thrive in. And despite doing everything they could, including BEGGING their voters to NOT vote for Trump in the primaries...they ultimately ended up stuck with this clown as the leader of their party, who is also destroying them. Karma is a bitch.
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That is just a very poor assesment of what has occurred, more your and the left's fantasy rather than a true analysis. Many establishment controlled types who only make head feints in the direction of passing the legislation they promised their constituents in order to win election are now known and simply are not running.

I didnt think it possible but the Donald is even better than Ronald at keeping campaign promises.

Hear that woodleoodleoooOOOOoooosh drip...drip...drip sound? Thats the swamp is self draining. The president merely removed the plug, Puigb.
 
haymarket said:
I always maintained that Trump was a terrible candidate and an extremely flawed and dangerous person who would make a terrible president but I thought the silver lining was he would lose the 2016 election and provide the human enema for the purging of the right libertarians and tea party know nothings from the GOP so the normal people could reclaim their hijacked party.

I did not foresee the Russian interference nor the Comey interference which would help him win an Electoral College narrow win despite rejection by the vote of the people.

So the massive enema and the purge of the party did not come. But it now looks like it was only delayed and that purging of the GOP begins in earnest this November.
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You are in for a really big surprise...shock...soon. It wont be interminable, but just wait, the revelations to your side in the coming weeks will be, well, relevatory.

Trump

Blind siding the voluntarily blind side. :lamo
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
You are in for a really big surprise...shock...soon. It wont be interminable, but just wait, the revelations to your side in the coming weeks will be, well, relevatory.

Trump

Blind siding the voluntarily blind side. :lamo
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What are you talking about?
 
Puigb said:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04N3JsfvQe/10/politics/never-trump-republicans-disappear/index.html

Good article discussing that despite the fact that Trump is deeply unpopular with everyone else, his support with GOP voters has actually increased. There is still a small (but vocal) group of Never Trump GOP voters out there, but the fact of the matter is...most of them have become full fledged Trump supporters, and are supporting him nearly on the same level they have previous Republican presidents.

Now, will this trend continue after Trump is gone from office, whether that is sometime soon, or possibly (hopefully not) in 2024? Only time will tell. I'm still of the belief that most GOP voters will eventually abandon him like they did with GWB, especially if he remains a very unpopular president. But who knows, maybe Trump HAS taken over the party for good, and Trump type candidates will be the only ones elected by the GOP voters in the future. It is interesting (and amusing) to see life long Republicans like Paul Ryan being (literally) driven out of the party by Trump and his goons, especially considering that the GOP and right wing media created the environment for someone like Trump to thrive in. And despite doing everything they could, including BEGGING their voters to NOT vote for Trump in the primaries...they ultimately ended up stuck with this clown as the leader of their party, who is also destroying them. Karma is a bitch.
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Trump won the GOP nomination with a solid base of 30-35% of all Republicans. The largest faction or group within the GOP for sure. The 18 candidate field made that support seem like a heck of a lot more than what it was. Throw in the fact the opposition to Trump couldn't decide on a single candidate to coalesce around, Trump won.

Certainly today the Republican Party is identified as the party of Trump. I think we can basically identify the amount within the GOP which are avid Trumpers or support him unerringly by those who view Trump very favorably. Over time this can give us the percentage of the Republican Party who are avid Trumpers vs. those of the party who support him because he is now a Republican and probably would support most anyone over a Democrat, the somewhat favorable. But the somewhat's can easily depart that column into the somewhat unfavorable column. They're not avid Trumpers, but Republicans supporting a republican president if you get my drift.

Over time we see on election day 47% of Republicans viewed Trump very favorably. 28% somewhat favorably. Question 11

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/l37rosbwjp/econTabReport_lv.pdf

Just after Trump was inaugurated, end of January of 2017 we have 57% of Republican viewing Trump very favorably along with 26% somewhat favorably. Question 125. That is a 10 point rise since election day who became avid Trumpers within the GOP.

http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/pyonz5d0lq/econTabReport.pdf

today or as of 10 April 2018 we see the very favorable rise to 62% and the somewhat favorable at 25%. Question 78A.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/3g689cgf7m/econTabReport.pdf

So I think you're correct. Trumpers or his supporters have risen over time in the Republican Party and now I would say control it. I think this has left a sour taste in the mouth of a lot of life long Republicans who feel Trump has hijacked their party. That this has lead to 40 incumbent Republican house members decision not to seek re-election. This isn't their party for the first time since most have been alive. The Republican Party isn't the traditional conservative party it has been prior to Trump either. With the retirement of Ryan, here is an interesting article which basically states that traditional and lifelong Republican conservatives have become the new RINO's to Trumpers and his brand of populism, nationalism and nativism.

Conservatives Are The New RINOs

What's even more interesting is CNN put the portion of those who are, identify, affiliate with the Republican Party on election day at 33%, that is down to 23% today. But Democrats shouldn't get the big head over that, CNN had them at 36% of election day and they are now down to 29%

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

I think this shows that most Americans are not only unhappy with Trump, but unhappy with both major political parties. The good news for Democrats which will probably lead to their winning control of the house this midterm, they a disliked by America as a whole a little less than the Republicans. Certainly not liked, but what other choice does America have? It's like going to the voting booth in November and having to choose your own poison, arsenic or cyanide.
 
Puigb said:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04N3JsfvQe/10/politics/never-trump-republicans-disappear/index.html

Good article discussing that despite the fact that Trump is deeply unpopular with everyone else, his support with GOP voters has actually increased. There is still a small (but vocal) group of Never Trump GOP voters out there, but the fact of the matter is...most of them have become full fledged Trump supporters, and are supporting him nearly on the same level they have previous Republican presidents.

Now, will this trend continue after Trump is gone from office, whether that is sometime soon, or possibly (hopefully not) in 2024? Only time will tell. I'm still of the belief that most GOP voters will eventually abandon him like they did with GWB, especially if he remains a very unpopular president. But who knows, maybe Trump HAS taken over the party for good, and Trump type candidates will be the only ones elected by the GOP voters in the future. It is interesting (and amusing) to see life long Republicans like Paul Ryan being (literally) driven out of the party by Trump and his goons, especially considering that the GOP and right wing media created the environment for someone like Trump to thrive in. And despite doing everything they could, including BEGGING their voters to NOT vote for Trump in the primaries...they ultimately ended up stuck with this clown as the leader of their party, who is also destroying them. Karma is a bitch.
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Depressing.

There is still a small (but vocal) group of Never Trump GOP voters out there,. Yup. And now it's time for us to cut our losses, hand over the party of Lincoln and Reagan to the alt-right fringe freak show, and move on. I'm finished with the GOP. The announcement by Paul Ryan yesterday confirmed what I said was going to happen, and what has happened. Donald Trump ruined the Republican Party. It's gone, and it's over.
 
As an ex-Republican I can agree with everything being wrote here about Trump and how the GOP is now his party. But again I do NOT put all the blame on Trump for what has happened to the GOP.

I saw the big change coming in 2009-2011. The daily hate spewed at Obama(I didn't vote for him in 2008). I remember reading about Republican politicians who said IN PUBLIC they didn't want to be seen talking to Obama or be seen compromising with him about anything, if they did their constituents would be pissed and vote them out. Think about that. They couldn't be seen talking to the POTUS!! Then the Birther lies and BS and 35-40% of Republicans believed Obama was a foreign born Muslim.

That's when the Tea Party and fanatics pushed the GOP to the far right, and the MODERATE Republicans didn't do a damn thing. I blame the Con media, I blame the TP, I blame Trump for what has happened to the GOP. But I also blame the Moderate Republicans who didn't do a thing to stop the daily hate spewed at any and every Dem and Liberal. Because at the time it benefitted the GOP, they made big gains in 2010. Party before Country.. But the long term damage it has done to the GOP? Well, we'll see.
 
The overarching problem for republicans that still identify as republicans is that their ranks are shrinking. So while more of them are trump supporters there are fewer republicans now than there were a year ago. Those identifying as democrats have held steady. Those leaving the GOP are entering the ranks of the Independents, now the largest group identifying, far larger than either of the two major parties. Largest grouping is Independents, followed by dems, followed by republicans. Gallup tries to cut away the independents in categorizing those that identify as democrat or lean democrat vs those that identify as republican or lean republican. The last numbers were 44% dem, 37% republican. I don't think Gallup is doing anybody any favors in parsing the Electorate this way as it totally dilutes the issue of how many voters really don't identify with either party any longer. But that is for another day.
 
Puigb said:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04N3JsfvQe/10/politics/never-trump-republicans-disappear/index.html

Good article discussing that despite the fact that Trump is deeply unpopular with everyone else, his support with GOP voters has actually increased. There is still a small (but vocal) group of Never Trump GOP voters out there, but the fact of the matter is...most of them have become full fledged Trump supporters, and are supporting him nearly on the same level they have previous Republican presidents.

Now, will this trend continue after Trump is gone from office, whether that is sometime soon, or possibly (hopefully not) in 2024? Only time will tell. I'm still of the belief that most GOP voters will eventually abandon him like they did with GWB, especially if he remains a very unpopular president. But who knows, maybe Trump HAS taken over the party for good, and Trump type candidates will be the only ones elected by the GOP voters in the future. It is interesting (and amusing) to see life long Republicans like Paul Ryan being (literally) driven out of the party by Trump and his goons, especially considering that the GOP and right wing media created the environment for someone like Trump to thrive in. And despite doing everything they could, including BEGGING their voters to NOT vote for Trump in the primaries...they ultimately ended up stuck with this clown as the leader of their party, who is also destroying them. Karma is a bitch.
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If he gets us into a war, and/or the economy crashes then many will abandon him. Right now the economy is going good, and Trump is spewing hate at any and all Dems so the GOP base is loving that. But when/if they start losing their jobs and homes the Honeymoon will end.
 
Why do we even need these polls now? Trump ran through every other Republican during the primaries. Does anyone really believe that was because of Independent voters?
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
If he gets us into a war, and/or the economy crashes then many will abandon him. Right now the economy is going good, and Trump is spewing hate at any and all Dems so the GOP base is loving that. But when/if they start losing their jobs and homes the Honeymoon will end.
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The ranks of the republicans are shrinking even without a war and even with the economy humming along. I suspect their ranks are shrinking because nobody trusts this group of whack jobs to keep us out of some nutty war and nobody believes we have done more in the economy but throw gasoline on a stable economy. A real shame in both cases. Obama turned over a stable and solid economy that would have given the next president the opportunity to deal with the structural problems we face. Instead we get President loony tunes, his loony tunes cabinet and blood thirsty NSC, big macs and Fox News.
 
Puigb said:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04N3JsfvQe/10/politics/never-trump-republicans-disappear/index.html

Good article discussing that despite the fact that Trump is deeply unpopular with everyone else, his support with GOP voters has actually increased. There is still a small (but vocal) group of Never Trump GOP voters out there, but the fact of the matter is...most of them have become full fledged Trump supporters, and are supporting him nearly on the same level they have previous Republican presidents.

Now, will this trend continue after Trump is gone from office, whether that is sometime soon, or possibly (hopefully not) in 2024? Only time will tell. I'm still of the belief that most GOP voters will eventually abandon him like they did with GWB, especially if he remains a very unpopular president. But who knows, maybe Trump HAS taken over the party for good, and Trump type candidates will be the only ones elected by the GOP voters in the future. It is interesting (and amusing) to see life long Republicans like Paul Ryan being (literally) driven out of the party by Trump and his goons, especially considering that the GOP and right wing media created the environment for someone like Trump to thrive in. And despite doing everything they could, including BEGGING their voters to NOT vote for Trump in the primaries...they ultimately ended up stuck with this clown as the leader of their party, who is also destroying them. Karma is a bitch.
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Polls also said President Hillary was a sure thing... so there is that.
 
Renae said:
Polls also said President Hillary was a sure thing... so there is that.
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Not in the last months they didn't. Polls were narrowing from mid summer on. Now why HRC and her campaign did not respond...that is a different question altogether. But the polls were narrowing and not insignificantly either.
 
jnug said:
Not in the last months they didn't. Polls were narrowing from mid summer on. Now why HRC and her campaign did not respond...that is a different question altogether. But the polls were narrowing and not insignificantly either.
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SurveyMonkey has polled more than 1 million Americans over the last 11 months, providing a pool of data that is bigger than any previous effort. Its final poll sits at the high end of what it has found for the year, showing Clinton leading Trump 47% to 41%, with 6% for Gary Johnson, the Libertarian nominee, and 3% for Jill Stein of the Green Party.

Overall, SurveyMonkey estimates Clinton's chances of winning at 96%.

The final ABC/Washington Post tracking poll offers a very similar look — 47% for Clinton, 43% for Trump in a two-way contest. In the four-way matchup, the survey shows Clinton at 49%, Trump 46%, Johnson 4% and Stein 1%.

The IBD tracking poll, which generally has shown stronger results for Trump, offers a split verdict — Clinton ahead by one point in the two-way matchup, Trump ahead by two in the four-way.
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One last look at the polls: Hillary Clinton's lead is holding steady

NEW YORK (Reuters) - With hours to go before Americans vote, Democrat Hillary Clinton has about a 90 percent chance of defeating Republican Donald Trump in the race for the White House, according to the final Reuters/Ipsos States of the Nation project.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ters-ipsos-states-of-the-nation-idUSKBN1322J1

The Polls — All Of Them — Show Hillary Clinton Leading
Which means Donald Trump is losing.
Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton is either slightly ahead or way ahead of Republican Donald Trump with just 13 days until Election Day, according to new polls released Wednesday.

An AP-GFK poll shows Clinton leading by an astonishing 14 points, 51 percent to Trump’s 37 percent, in a four-way race. In a two-way heat, Clinton’s lead narrows to 13 points.
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-leading-polls_us_58112308e4b064e1b4b05ce5
 
Had the polling focus by the campaigns concentrated on the swing states where the election was won and lost, they would have seen that HRC's polling numbers were accurate going into election day and were fairly accurately reflected in the actual election percentage she received in those states. However in the swing states, there was a huge segment of voters unaccounted for, not caught up in any of the polls as either for trump or for HRC. It does not matter how much of a lead you have in the polls if the polling numbers are telling you that there is a huge number of uncommitted voters, large enough to overwhelm your lead sitting out there waiting in ambush. The polls were really not all that inaccurate especially when you consider HRC won the general. HRC's campaign did not take into account the large percentage of uncommitted voters in the swing states and that is what should have been alarming to her campaign particularly since she was for lack of a better term, the "establishment" candidate.

The numbers were not inaccurate as much as they were not understood in context. A poll has three components, not two. Those that are for one or the other candidate and those not committed to either. A so-called establishment candidate running against a relative newcomer has to be far more concerned about the uncommitted voters than the newcomer. The uncommitted voters are an opportunity for the newcomer and a risk for the establishment candidate.

But again, the polls were not far off at all relative to the candidates head to head...just misread in spades. As long as we have an electoral college no candidate for president can ever ignore the state by state numbers and must consider all three components of any poll.
 
Renae said:
As we don't use popular vote, rightfully, they were wrong.
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The polls aren't weighted for the electoral college system, they just reflect popularity. Clinton was more popular than Trump and gained more votes, hence the polls were right.

You can argue what the point of polling is when you have an electoral system where getting the most votes doesn't mean you win the election, but that's a different argument.
 
Aristaeus said:
The polls aren't weighted for the electoral college system, they just reflect popularity. Clinton was more popular than Trump and gained more votes, hence the polls were right.

You can argue what the point of polling is when you have an electoral system where getting the most votes doesn't mean you win the election, but that's a different argument.
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Regionally yes, she was more popular, but nationally she was not.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Exactly.

Blind siding the blind...things will start to change ( unravel ) rapidly after the IG report comes out.
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Again - what is it you are predicting that will be in that report that warrants you telling me I will be shocked when I see it?
 
Puigb said:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04N3JsfvQe/10/politics/never-trump-republicans-disappear/index.html

Good article discussing that despite the fact that Trump is deeply unpopular with everyone else, his support with GOP voters has actually increased. There is still a small (but vocal) group of Never Trump GOP voters out there, but the fact of the matter is...most of them have become full fledged Trump supporters, and are supporting him nearly on the same level they have previous Republican presidents.

Now, will this trend continue after Trump is gone from office, whether that is sometime soon, or possibly (hopefully not) in 2024? Only time will tell. I'm still of the belief that most GOP voters will eventually abandon him like they did with GWB, especially if he remains a very unpopular president. But who knows, maybe Trump HAS taken over the party for good, and Trump type candidates will be the only ones elected by the GOP voters in the future. It is interesting (and amusing) to see life long Republicans like Paul Ryan being (literally) driven out of the party by Trump and his goons, especially considering that the GOP and right wing media created the environment for someone like Trump to thrive in. And despite doing everything they could, including BEGGING their voters to NOT vote for Trump in the primaries...they ultimately ended up stuck with this clown as the leader of their party, who is also destroying them. Karma is a bitch.
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The Republican Party became the party of Trump when they nominated him to be President. Period. They own him now, which is a fact that they will need to be reminded of, again and again, in November, when they try to distance themselves from him.
 
haymarket said:
Again - what is it you are predicting that will be in that report that warrants you telling me I will be shocked when I see it?
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Do you have an understanding what the report concerns? If not, let Google, better yet some other search engine, be your buddy. Your post just confirms my point.
 
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