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Polls show the GOP is now President Trump's party

No, he's not but he is the REPUBLICAN president who got us into a war and the economy crashed on his watch and he wasn't a DEMOCRAT.

So for you to say if we now get into a war or the economy crashes it will be the all the Dems fault is both uninformed and nothing but rabid partisan nonsense.

Your words... The ONLY way that will happen.....

Operative word..."will".
 
Wow, what a great contributing post to the discussion. You sound bitter and triggered. I don't blame you. Your fellow Birther Donald Trump is going down in flames.

Not bitter or triggered. Amused and dismissive..
 
You made the claim about my impending shock at upcoming events. So what is that is going to happen that will shock me?

You are merely shocked by my saying you will be shocked. We are risking catatonia here, apparently.

Now get off your butt and figure it out. I am not a nursemaid nor your nanny. If you havent that capacity, ask someone close by to assist you.

Over and out.
 
You are merely shocked by my saying you will be shocked. We are risking catatonia here, apparently.

Now get off your butt and figure it out. I am not a nursemaid nor your nanny. If you havent that capacity, ask someone close by to assist you.

Over and out.

Neither myself nor anyone else has any obligation to lift a little finger to help you explain your claims. That responsibility is totally and completely your own. That is how a claim works.

So what is it that is in the offing that I will be shocked about/
 
Neither myself nor anyone else has any obligation to lift a little finger to help you explain your claims. That responsibility is totally and completely your own. That is how a claim works.

So what is it that is in the offing that I will be shocked about/

Give it a rest. You're right that he's got nothing and he's just pulling your chain. I'm pretty sure he was referring to a couple of investigations, one in the justice department and one in the house, on uranium one and maybe the clinton foundation (again). He's sure that this time, unlike all the previous times, they'll find proof of Hillary's numerous crimes and we all be dumbfounded and put in our place. He just doesn't want to tell you right now because he doesn't want to endure the derision and cat calls that would follow. You should know by now that hope springs eternal in the Hillary hater's breast.
 
Give it a rest. You're right that he's got nothing and he's just pulling your chain. I'm pretty sure he was referring to a couple of investigations, one in the justice department and one in the house, on uranium one and maybe the clinton foundation (again). He's sure that this time, unlike all the previous times, they'll find proof of Hillary's numerous crimes and we all be dumbfounded and put in our place. He just doesn't want to tell you right now because he doesn't want to endure the derision and cat calls that would follow. You should know by now that hope springs eternal in the Hillary hater's breast.

yes - I figured as much and simply wanted the poster to follow through so they would be on record. You are correct.
 
Depressing.

There is still a small (but vocal) group of Never Trump GOP voters out there,. Yup. And now it's time for us to cut our losses, hand over the party of Lincoln and Reagan to the alt-right fringe freak show, and move on. I'm finished with the GOP. The announcement by Paul Ryan yesterday confirmed what I said was going to happen, and what has happened. Donald Trump ruined the Republican Party. It's gone, and it's over.

I think I've said this to you before, but I'll say it again here. History will look favorably on GOP voters such as yourself. Trump in 2016 received 88% of the Republican vote, which was obviously less compared to Romney's 93% of the Republican vote in 2012. While, as the numbers show us, that most of the "Never Trump" Republican voters DID end up voting for Trump (and now support him), there was a small group of Republicans such as yourself who didn't fall for arguably the biggest political con job in American history. IMO, when people look back on the Trump presidency, and reflect on how the hell did some NYC Democrat Reality T.V. Star hi-jack the Republican party, they'll see that there was a small group of GOP voters who saw through Trump's ruse, and didn't fall for his race baiting/nationalist rhetoric that he was spewing to get votes. Also, they could sleep better at night knowing that they aren't responsible for putting that monstrosity into office, even while they were attacked and shunned by their fellow Republican voters, and some GOP politicians for doing so.
 
If he gets us into a war, and/or the economy crashes then many will abandon him. Right now the economy is going good, and Trump is spewing hate at any and all Dems so the GOP base is loving that. But when/if they start losing their jobs and homes the Honeymoon will end.

They'll abandon him eventually. They always do. They defended Bush for 8 years, and now most of them pretend they never voted for him. Once Trump is gone and another Republican president is elected, they'll go onto worshipping that president, all while they pretend that they never supported Trump in the first place. This is how they roll.

However, all that said, Trump may have possibly changed on how the Republican voters vote. They may no longer vote for Kasich type Republican candidates any more. I think it's certainly possible that Trump may be the start of a whole new crop of GOP candidates that their voters will only support. The types that use race and nationalist rhetoric to win elections. I guess time will tell.
 
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/04N3JsfvQe/10/politics/never-trump-republicans-disappear/index.html

Good article discussing that despite the fact that Trump is deeply unpopular with everyone else, his support with GOP voters has actually increased. There is still a small (but vocal) group of Never Trump GOP voters out there, but the fact of the matter is...most of them have become full fledged Trump supporters, and are supporting him nearly on the same level they have previous Republican presidents.

Now, will this trend continue after Trump is gone from office, whether that is sometime soon, or possibly (hopefully not) in 2024? Only time will tell. I'm still of the belief that most GOP voters will eventually abandon him like they did with GWB, especially if he remains a very unpopular president. But who knows, maybe Trump HAS taken over the party for good, and Trump type candidates will be the only ones elected by the GOP voters in the future. It is interesting (and amusing) to see life long Republicans like Paul Ryan being (literally) driven out of the party by Trump and his goons, especially considering that the GOP and right wing media created the environment for someone like Trump to thrive in. And despite doing everything they could, including BEGGING their voters to NOT vote for Trump in the primaries...they ultimately ended up stuck with this clown as the leader of their party, who is also destroying them. Karma is a bitch.

Just proving once and for all what complete hypocrites, idiots and a holes the GOP supporters are
 
As an ex-Republican I can agree with everything being wrote here about Trump and how the GOP is now his party. But again I do NOT put all the blame on Trump for what has happened to the GOP.

I saw the big change coming in 2009-2011. The daily hate spewed at Obama(I didn't vote for him in 2008). I remember reading about Republican politicians who said IN PUBLIC they didn't want to be seen talking to Obama or be seen compromising with him about anything, if they did their constituents would be pissed and vote them out. Think about that. They couldn't be seen talking to the POTUS!! Then the Birther lies and BS and 35-40% of Republicans believed Obama was a foreign born Muslim.

That's when the Tea Party and fanatics pushed the GOP to the far right, and the MODERATE Republicans didn't do a damn thing. I blame the Con media, I blame the TP, I blame Trump for what has happened to the GOP. But I also blame the Moderate Republicans who didn't do a thing to stop the daily hate spewed at any and every Dem and Liberal. Because at the time it benefitted the GOP, they made big gains in 2010. Party before Country.. But the long term damage it has done to the GOP? Well, we'll see.

I agree with everything you stated, though I think this has been going on since the CRA was signed by a Dem president, and when the GOP led by Nixon decided to woo the southern white vote at the expense of blacks/minorities. Things just got worse and worse, and when Obama was elected president, all hell broke loose.

And then, here comes Trump being the opportunistic asshole that he is, who jumps on the birther bandwagon and spews all kind of race baiting nonsense that he thought would make him more popular with the Republican base...and he was right. It actually helped him win the GOP primaries, and eventually the presidency. And I most certainly don't only blame Trump, which is why I typed "Karma is a bitch" in my OP. The GOP and right wing media and pundits created the monster (the rabid far right base) that resulted in the rise of someone like Donald Trump. And now they are stuck with that monster that is destroying their party piece by piece.

BTW, I don't know if you like Vox or not, but here is a good video (imo) that details how the GOP became the party of Trump:

 
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I think I've said this to you before, but I'll say it again here. History will look favorably on GOP voters such as yourself. Trump in 2016 received 88% of the Republican vote, which was obviously less compared to Romney's 93% of the Republican vote in 2012. While, as the numbers show us, that most of the "Never Trump" Republican voters DID end up voting for Trump (and now support him), there was a small group of Republicans such as yourself who didn't fall for arguably the biggest political con job in American history. IMO, when people look back on the Trump presidency, and reflect on how the hell did some NYC Democrat Reality T.V. Star hi-jack the Republican party, they'll see that there was a small group of GOP voters who saw through Trump's ruse, and didn't fall for his race baiting/nationalist rhetoric that he was spewing to get votes. Also, they could sleep better at night knowing that they aren't responsible for putting that monstrosity into office, even while they were attacked and shunned by their fellow Republican voters, and some GOP politicians for doing so.

Thanks for this. I hope you're right.

I said in November of 2016 that I wanted to be able to look at myself in the morning, which is why I didn't vote for Trump. I can look at myself knowing I am in no way responsible for what is going on now.
 
You made the claim about my impending shock at upcoming events. So what is that is going to happen that will shock me?

Its really no big secret, tho I dont think its out in braille yet...but fine, dont figure it out. I told you where to gather the information. Besides, the proof will be in the actual doing and that has only just begun. And Trump is a doer.

Oughta be pretty kick ace.
 
Its really no big secret, tho I dont think its out in braille yet...but fine, dont figure it out. I told you where to gather the information. Besides, the proof will be in the actual doing and that has only just begun. And Trump is a doer.

Oughta be pretty kick ace.

YOU made the claim. The only person that has any obligation to back it up with specifics is YOU. Neither I nor anyone else here has any duty to lift as much as a little finger doing to any other source other than YOU presenting what you claim.

What about that simple truth of the way debate works so befuddles and confuses you that you reduced to babbling already refuted repetitions that only shows you to be incompetent in this art?
 
YOU made the claim. The only person that has any obligation to back it up with specifics is YOU. Neither I nor anyone else here has any duty to lift as much as a little finger doing to any other source other than YOU presenting what you claim.

What about that simple truth of the way debate works so befuddles and confuses you that you reduced to babbling already refuted repetitions that only shows you to be incompetent in this art?

Yes, I very well did.

Oh, I could lead you where I want you to go, pull the nose ring towards the right wing...but I will let you find your own path to the truth. I mean, its not like its a mythical fairey tale, this Inspector General's report, correct?

I guess you keep coming back because deep down you want the truth but you are having a hard time giving up old, bad habits. So you rather me tell you so you can just toss it, lump it in with all the other right wing nutter, to your mind, stuff, eh?

I too, for a while, during and after my university days was rather liberal. Got sick, real bad, an illness, almost debilitating. Surgeons had to remove almost the entire left side. Dont worry, I am all right now, much much better in fact.

Read, or not, up on the upcoming IG report. It ll be like wondering why a baseball starts getting bigger and bigger and bigger, then it ll just hit you in the face.
 
Yes, I very well did.

Oh, I could lead you where I want you to go, pull the nose ring towards the right wing...but I will let you find your own path to the truth. I mean, its not like its a mythical fairey tale, this Inspector General's report, correct?

I guess you keep coming back because deep down you want the truth but you are having a hard time giving up old, bad habits. So you rather me tell you so you can just toss it, lump it in with all the other right wing nutter, to your mind, stuff, eh?

I too, for a while, during and after my university days was rather liberal. Got sick, real bad, an illness, almost debilitating. Surgeons had to remove almost the entire left side. Dont worry, I am all right now, much much better in fact.

Read, or not, up on the upcoming IG report. It ll be like wondering why a baseball starts getting bigger and bigger and bigger, then it ll just hit you in the face.

Lots of words from you to still come up with NOTHING.
 
Lots of words from you to still come up with NOTHING.

I will give you a hint buddy, since you are apparently thoroughly clueless and too schiffless to even investigate. Its smaller than the Universe and way way bigger than a door controlling H2O flow.

Thats called a teaser. Now get off your butt and do your due diligence...if, after you do that you still havent an inkling, especially after the release of a damning portion related only to McCabe...well you will just have to wait to be ----------- shocked. :lamo

The old saying holds so true: You can lead a horse to water but you cant make them drink, and the appropriate corollary: You can lead an anti Trumper to the truth but you cant make them think. :2wave:
 
I will give you a hint buddy, since you are apparently thoroughly clueless and too schiffless to even investigate. Its smaller than the Universe and way way bigger than a door controlling H2O flow.

Thats called a teaser. Now get off your butt and do your due diligence...if, after you do that you still havent an inkling, especially after the release of a damning portion related only to McCabe...well you will just have to wait to be ----------- shocked. :lamo

The old saying holds so true: You can lead a horse to water but you cant make them drink, and the appropriate corollary: You can lead an anti Trumper to the truth but you cant make them think. :2wave:

What part about nobody but you is required to support your own claim with specifics do you fail to understand? :doh:roll:
 
:shock::shock: You in 1 or 2 months, definitely in time to affect the mid terms :shock::shock:

Buh bye. :2wave:

and what is the specific event in one or two months which is going to cause this great shock to me?
 
Depressing.

There is still a small (but vocal) group of Never Trump GOP voters out there,. Yup. And now it's time for us to cut our losses, hand over the party of Lincoln and Reagan to the alt-right fringe freak show, and move on. I'm finished with the GOP. The announcement by Paul Ryan yesterday confirmed what I said was going to happen, and what has happened. Donald Trump ruined the Republican Party. It's gone, and it's over.


Lincoln = first GOP POTUS post 1854 founding of the GOP. Won the 1860 election. Presided over the American Civil War. LIED before & during his campaign in regard to the slavery issue. Lincoln was a direct cause of the ACW. Lincoln was the worst abuser of the US Constitution by any POTUS.

Reagan = Father of exponential deficit spending & Federal debt. Reagan made it 'OK' to bankrupt America. The US during Raegan transitioned form a creditor nation to a debtor nation. Reagan envisioned America as a service economy & look what happened. I won't even go into Iran Contra & all of the other **** Ronny RayGun has on his record as POTUS.

Needless to say Lincoln & Reagan = two of the worst POTUS, ever.

Other GOP POTUS have not fared so well either. For the past 100 years every GOP POTUS has presided over a recession, or a depression, with the exception of the current clown boi. If he doesn't blow US all to Hell with his nukes he will have his opportunity to wreck the economy also.

GW Bush has cost America at least $3 trillion because of Afghanistan & Iraq, and we are still there, in ****ty wars of choice.


I'm not seeing the appeal of any GOP POTUS.

YMMV
 
and what is the specific event in one or two months which is going to cause this great shock to me?

Not that great at research or hints, eh? I bet if you go to an accupuncturist it would be to one that doesnt use needles as you sure dont ever get the point.

I will give you one more hint in the form of a riddle. If a forest fire reduced, wiped out that forest to just the one...and that one had a male offspring, that offspring would be a what?

Listen, if you are simply unwilling to attempt to find out what the IG has been investigating, what the implications are well, thats it, I am no miracle worker, I cannot lay hands on my keyboard and suddenly give you sight. One has to open ones own eyes, have to make the effort to see.
 
Not that great at research or hints, eh?

Nobody here - including myself - has any obligation to sit down with you and play the childs game of CLUE.

When YOU make a claim, YOU have 100% responsibility to support it with specifics when challenged. That is solely and completely YOUR responsibility.

What about that so befuddles and reduces you to repeating the same nonsense that has already been pointed out to you over and over again?
 
Nobody here - including myself - has any obligation to sit down with you and play the childs game of CLUE.

When YOU make a claim, YOU have 100% responsibility to support it with specifics when challenged. That is solely and completely YOUR responsibility.

What about that so befuddles and reduces you to repeating the same nonsense that has already been pointed out to you over and over again?
I ll break it down for you.

I started off plainly stating you will be shocked. An alert. You then proved your shock proneness by being shocked thatI would give you the depreciated, sure, heads up. Then when asked, I avised you beome an informed consumer of news (seeing as you seem to draw a complete blank ) and gave you the specific direction, the IG report and its asserted prospectus regarding areas of internal inquiry.

Too lazy, too stubborn, too afraid, too exactly what? to discover something I have identified with clues, a riddle even ( which, since you didnt allude to it you might still be stumped upon? ) and told you from the get go I wasnt gonna just hand to you. Sapience is earned, I dont make those rules, its just how it is.

Or, you can, while you wheedle, cajole, mentally panhandle to your blessed hearts, content , twiddle thumbs...just be a bit patient, then be ---:shock:ed---. Now the last thing I would want to do is befuddle you any further, but it is on my list as last.

Check.

It was real and it was fun, real fun, but...

I have grown a bit banal fatigued, somewhat similar to the inability of a bike to stand alone, it just too two tired. :lamo :2wave:
 
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