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If Trump is Removed From Office for Any Reason Other Than Russia Collusion? It WAS a Witch Hunt!

I have noticed that those on the Right are willing to co-exist with people that they dont agree with

If you're talking about the Far Right...SINCE WHEN??? :shock: I've personally witnessed their disrespect for anyone they don't consider to be "one of them," and it's a big, big reason why I'm glad I got out.
 
If what you say is true, why has he not been indicted? Have a theory on that? He is surrounded by hostile forces, what are they waiting on?
Sitting presidents are not eligible for indictment, only impeachment and removal from office.

Then they may be indicted.
 
If what you say is true, why has he not been indicted? Have a theory on that? He is surrounded by hostile forces, what are they waiting on?

We are talking about the president. And you don't end an investigation when you find one crime. You continue to look at everything, especially if anyone helped the Russians. So when everything is learned that can be learned about the whole thing, then if there will be a report sent to the DOJ who will decide if there is sufficient evidence to send it to the Congress. The Congress will then decide if there is a sufficient reason to impeach the president. that is what most people don't understand, Mueller isn't the one who decides what to do with the evidence he discovers, it is the DOJ. And the one presently to make that decision is Rosenstien. that is why Trump wants to fire Rosenstien and put a person loyal to him, First a loyal person can fire Mueller which could bring down the house on trump, or the loyal person can bury the report no matter what the crimes involved.
 
Loved those last two paragraphs, and I've said something similar before. At the very least, we can come away from this more of a learned populace. We saw just how bad it can be. We saw things that we never thought would happen, happen. Once Trump is gone, we have to fix things so this never happens again. I swear - I hope someone is writing this **** down. :lol: Like on a sketch pad, making a list of all the things that happened that we weren't prepared for, so we can make sure they never happen again.

Except the populace as a whole learned nothing from the Reagan/Bush national debt run up, the Clinton dampering of that run up, or the Bush renewal of
the debt run up, the groundless trumped up invasion and dismantling of Iraq, or the melt down of the economy, because the response to a democrat working
steadfastly to improve (salvage) and prudently regulate the economy, again temper the rate of debt run up, solve the problem of there being nearly 50 million
without health insurance and improve international relations, Cuba, Iran agreement, etc., was to support Trump as a viable candidate and actually slip him in
as VOTUS! The country seems to have learned little, voting eagerly and in large numbers for the oppressor and his party.
 
If you're talking about the Far Right...SINCE WHEN??? :shock: I've personally witnessed their disrespect for anyone they don't consider to be "one of them," and it's a big, big reason why I'm glad I got out.

He said the right. Many of them are just right of your slightly liberal lean. Like me. He said nothing about the far right.
 
We are talking about the president. And you don't end an investigation when you find one crime. You continue to look at everything, especially if anyone helped the Russians. So when everything is learned that can be learned about the whole thing, then if there will be a report sent to the DOJ who will decide if there is sufficient evidence to send it to the Congress. The Congress will then decide if there is a sufficient reason to impeach the president. that is what most people don't understand, Mueller isn't the one who decides what to do with the evidence he discovers, it is the DOJ. And the one presently to make that decision is Rosenstien. that is why Trump wants to fire Rosenstien and put a person loyal to him, First a loyal person can fire Mueller which could bring down the house on trump, or the loyal person can bury the report no matter what the crimes involved.

We shall see. The current Porn star debacle indicates they are growing desperate for ammo. If he is proven guilty of crimes, get on with it. President Pence, also has a nice ring to it.

Either squat or get off the pot so America can move forward.

I know the goal is to keep the speculative fires stoked into the midterms.
 
But in Clinton v. Jones, it was determined that a sitting president had no immunity from acts committed before he took office.
If you're speaking of legal immunity from criminal liability, that's different than my statement which deals with impeachment & removal.

My claim is I wouldn't remove him automatically for a non-related crime before his presidency. It would have to be something big, to remove him. A felony, and one that's particularly serious, heinous, or relevant.
 
He said the right. Many of them are just right of your slightly liberal lean. Like me. He said nothing about the far right.

He should have been more specific. I personally know some conservatives who are decent people. I also knew some people who are on the Far Right and cannot be trusted if they do not feel that you are in their tribe.
 
I've never lost faith in my Country, some of the players but never my Country and it's Constitution; they are the best thing that's ever happened to mankind; ALL of mankind.<-period
Hear! Hear! :thumbs:
 
Loved those last two paragraphs, and I've said something similar before. At the very least, we can come away from this more of a learned populace. We saw just how bad it can be. We saw things that we never thought would happen, happen. Once Trump is gone, we have to fix things so this never happens again. I swear - I hope someone is writing this **** down. :lol: Like on a sketch pad, making a list of all the things that happened that we weren't prepared for, so we can make sure they never happen again.

Frankly, my big takeaway from all of this is that citizens do bad things when they're disenfranchised. I genuinely think that an overhaul of our education system and lower tax rates on the poor would do more to prevent another Trump than any number of limits on Presidential power. We might have a far better bureaucracy than the Weimar Republic did, thus preventing our rogue candidate from royally ****ing things up on the same scale as theirs did, but both were ultimately the results of a populace that hated their government & a bad economy - the degrees of hate & bad were just different & on different metrics.

God, I hate comparing Trump to Hitler. It feels demeaning to all of the people who died in the Holocaust, like I'm ratcheting "1st World Problems" bitching up to 11. It's still a useful frame of reference for what a constitutional government can do right or do wrong. I highly suggest you look into the Weimar Republic; their constitution was jank as hell. The President had so much power from day 1, he could literally fire everyone in Parlaiment if they vetoed one of his emergency decrees.
 
Nah. You haven't noticed that. Again, it has to do with reality.

Nah.

Nah. You'll understand if I don't take you seriously.
It's all one big "Nah" every time, which is why I never reply!
 
Gotta give you what you asked for.:

09/30/81: Last day of last Carter fiscal year. National debt: $997 billion (Debt increase, final year (1980-81): $90 billion)
09/28/89: Last day of last Reagan fiscal year. National debt: $2,857 billion (Debt increase, final year (1988-89): $255 billion)
09/30/93: Last day of last GHW Bush fiscal year. National debt: $4,411 billion (Debt increase, final year (1992-93): $347 billion)
09/30/01: Last day of last Clinton fiscal year. National debt: $5,807 billion (Debt increase, final year (2000-01): $133 billion)
09/30/09: Last day of last GW Bush fiscal year. National debt: $11,909 billion (Debt increase, final year (2008-9): $1,988 billion)
09/29/17: Last day of last Obama fiscal year. National debt: $20,244 billion (Debt increase, final year (2016-17): $671 billion)
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https://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/current
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And then be fired himself, and Trump selects someone else in his place to fire him.
Which demonstrates Trump can't fire Mueller! :doh
 
I’ve been watching the rabid attempts to undermine and unseat the President in the MSM and echoed in this Forum in post after post since November 2016.

Yes, ever since the election after the psychic shock of the “upset” victory wore off, there has been a no holds barred, manic effort to find some way, any way to undo the results of that election either via impeachment or resignation.

It started with simple unfitness for office with members of the mental health professions signing petitions declaring him mentally unfit. Then there was a massive deluge of leaks about any and every thing some “current or former member of government” considered “improper” poured in the willing ears of the MSN.

Finally, thanks to the Steele Dossier the “resistance” jelled around Russian election interference which the President must have actively colluded in. Didn’t he publicly ask the Russian to hack her during his campaign? :roll: (No, he actually didn’t, but don’t let facts get in the way of a narrative.)

Either Director Comey was unaware that his agency, the FBI, used it to get a FISA warrant to tap the communications of Carter Page with the intent to investigate Trump, or his unwillingness to inform the President whether or not he was under investigation which resulted in his discharge was an intentional failure to do his duty.

The President rightly lost trust in him and fired him. After that, it’s been obstruction (which it was not) and “collusion, collusion, collusion!” with nothing to actually show it.

As predicted, the witch hunt may have found some kind of information completely unrelated to “Russian interference,” which not being under Mueller’s writ, has been passed off to “local agency” to investigate. This resulted in the Cohen "raid" via possible money laundering or fund misuse from the Stormy Daniels sex scandal.

Now, it’s “Campaign fund misuse” and “money laundering,” or whatever other dirt may have been found that had nothing to do with the original investigation. This is exactly what all those in this Forum and out in public have been hoping for.

Well, if the President is forced from office for any reason other than knowing and willing conspiracy with a foreign power to undermine the election process, then all the Left’s naysaying notwithstanding, it proves this is and always WAS a “Witch Hunt” with the intent to negate the election by any means necessary.

If successful, then my faith in our system of government will be completely erased; since this will demonstrate that mob "justice" is the rule, and "by any means necessary" is the method.

If he's impeached and removed its because he's guilty of a serious crime. Trump is not immune from prosecution for the crimes he commits just because you really really like him and his leadership. Try putting America and justice in front of your man crush.
 
Truthfully I would support him being removed after today where he decided to escalate a conflict as well as threaten a nuclear nation with military conflict. I can defend him in many areas but he went full retard there, mattis is busy trying to mop up his mess of bringing up on the brink of ww3.
You know, your post has caused me to realize in part why I have such low regard & intense dislike of Trump: I spent much of my life under the Cold War!

Could you imagine Trump doing **** like this in October of '62? :doh
 
I’ve been watching the rabid attempts to undermine and unseat the President in the MSM and echoed in this Forum in post after post since November 2016.

Yes, ever since the election after the psychic shock of the “upset” victory wore off, there has been a no holds barred, manic effort to find some way, any way to undo the results of that election either via impeachment or resignation.

It started with simple unfitness for office with members of the mental health professions signing petitions declaring him mentally unfit. Then there was a massive deluge of leaks about any and every thing some “current or former member of government” considered “improper” poured in the willing ears of the MSN.

Finally, thanks to the Steele Dossier the “resistance” jelled around Russian election interference which the President must have actively colluded in. Didn’t he publicly ask the Russian to hack her during his campaign? :roll: (No, he actually didn’t, but don’t let facts get in the way of a narrative.)

Either Director Comey was unaware that his agency, the FBI, used it to get a FISA warrant to tap the communications of Carter Page with the intent to investigate Trump, or his unwillingness to inform the President whether or not he was under investigation which resulted in his discharge was an intentional failure to do his duty.

The President rightly lost trust in him and fired him. After that, it’s been obstruction (which it was not) and “collusion, collusion, collusion!” with nothing to actually show it.

As predicted, the witch hunt may have found some kind of information completely unrelated to “Russian interference,” which not being under Mueller’s writ, has been passed off to “local agency” to investigate. This resulted in the Cohen "raid" via possible money laundering or fund misuse from the Stormy Daniels sex scandal.

Now, it’s “Campaign fund misuse” and “money laundering,” or whatever other dirt may have been found that had nothing to do with the original investigation. This is exactly what all those in this Forum and out in public have been hoping for.

Well, if the President is forced from office for any reason other than knowing and willing conspiracy with a foreign power to undermine the election process, then all the Left’s naysaying notwithstanding, it proves this is and always WAS a “Witch Hunt” with the intent to negate the election by any means necessary.

If successful, then my faith in our system of government will be completely erased; since this will demonstrate that mob "justice" is the rule, and "by any means necessary" is the method.

Come on and face the facts. Trump is a Russian spy who, with the aid of the NRA, paid a British company to spy on Americans through Facebook while simultaneously cutting a deal with Wikileaks to discredit Hillary Clinton who actually won the election except that the FBI was corrupted by Trump's money laundering accomplices. Then, when nobody was looking, he peed on Stormy Daniels.
 
I can handle a lot of bad grammar, even mine is not perfect, but there are times when someone crosses the line;
"whom didn't vote for him" sounds to my ears like fingernails scratching a blackboard.

Please learn when to use "who" and "whom". Thank you.

If you don't know, or can't grasp the rules, then avoid "whom" at all times, except
on prepositional phrases: "for whom", "in whom", "to whom", etc. That will improve it a lot, though using "who" in the objective case is mildly bothersome, my grammar meter won't red line as it does when using "whom" in the subjective case. Yech!
I've seen internet forum grammar corrections, but never one to this depth & extent. I'm not sure if I should praise it, or shake my head.

So I guess I'll just leave a 'like', and move on ...
 
If you're talking about the Far Right...SINCE WHEN??? :shock: I've personally witnessed their disrespect for anyone they don't consider to be "one of them," and it's a big, big reason why I'm glad I got out.

If I am talking about the Right then I am talking about the Right...I am having trouble understanding your confusion.
 
No - look at what I said. I said I lost "complete faith in the government." I always felt (and many of us did) that there was a little hope in government. There were (supposedly) checks and balances that we no longer have. The president does not respect the rule of law, nor do any of his cronies.

This quagmire we are in is nothing like the NSA debacle(s). This is nothing like Bush.

We are in the middle of a ****storm with no umbrella. That's why I said, and stand behind the fact that I have lost all faith in government. With every thing that Trump did, I'd think, 'Well, they aren't going to let him get away with that. They will do something.' Yet that has not, and is still not happening. The checks and balances that we are supposed to have are non-existent.

Everybody keeps talking about, "If Trump fires *insert name here* then we will have a Constitutional crisis. People will march in the streets."

Big ****ing deal if we have a Constitutional crisis. Won't matter anyway because neither the House nor the Senate will do anything about it. It'll just be another day that ends in Y.

So yes. I have lost all faith in the government, and yes, unfortunately this is a new thing for me.
I don't think your problem is with "government", as much as with the Republican Party unilateral control of government. Once that's broken, likely in November, I suspect your faith will re-emerge.

But you & I will emerge with a renewed understanding of the fragile nature of democracy, as my grandparents did during the War (WWII). They cherished our republic, because they lost theirs to Hitler. Now we need a little patriotic cherish, ourselves.
 
If I am talking about the Right then I am talking about the Right...I am having trouble understanding your confusion.

I know you are. First thing you've said in awhile that I believe.
 
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