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Gun to a knife fight

Mr Person said:
Um, ok.

That really didn't have much of anything to do with my post, which referred to the idea of requiring teachers to arm themselves and act as security when we could instead just pay for trained professionals.
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I agree...we shouldnt be arming teachers and requiring them to be guards...(though if we are arming them with BATS WTF is the difference?).

So...you WOULD be fine with a law abiding citizen that HAPPENS to be a teacher exercising their Constitutional rights in a school...right?
 
Goshin said:
Better than nothing I guess, if they can't get authorized for firearms.

Pepperspray at least has a little bit of reach, though.


Really though, you could view this as a positive development... once it is accepted that an "active defender" is needed, it may be easier to sell the concept of giving those active defenders a more effective means of defense.
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That's a good point.

The concept of doing violence really bugs a lot of people it bugs me but not to the point where I would think that all violent acts are bad. If somebody was going to shoot up the school I'm attending at the moment and I had the opportunity to take him out with a gunshot wounds to the head I would take it and that would end it absolutely and without a doubt so in that case violence would be the answer. Violence is sometimes the answer it's the only answer to certain things and we don't like that.

I think our aversion to it is one of the things that makes us a great society. But sometimes it is necessary. I remember reading about Nat Turner and the slave rebellions that was the point where violence was the answer. I remember reading about battles in the Civil War and then World War II and those cases as gruesome and as unpleasant as it was violence was the answer.
 
VanceMack said:
I agree...we shouldnt be arming teachers and requiring them to be guards...(though if we are arming them with BATS WTF is the difference?).

So...you WOULD be fine with a law abiding citizen that HAPPENS to be a teacher exercising their Constitutional rights in a school...right?
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If we're going to have armed teachers in school, I want them to have appropriate training - what LEO's go through at least. I do not want a single teacher to be forced to take on that role.

I would much rather simply pay to have a team of armed trained guards in uniform at schools, however. The trouble with armed civilians trying to stop a shooter is (1) likelihood of causing collateral damage, (2) likelihood of security arriving and thinking the teacher is the bad guy.

It'd probably cost 5-15 billion/year to cover all schools with guards, but seeing as Trump has recently boosted military spending from 600b to 700b, we can perhaps drop that back to 685 to cover the protection. Out of all the things we already pay for, I rather think that trying to prevent mass shootings of children is one of the worthier causes. But I'm not all gung-ho on the "good guy with a gun" thing. Sometimes it works. Other times it doesn't.
 
Re: Bat to a gun fight

Cardinal said:
I've been told that if we took a gun away from a criminal he'd just use a knife or a baseball bat. Sounds like the PA school district is taking that NRA talking point at face value.
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Yes the only thing you could take away from a criminal bent on killing as many people as they can to stop them is their life.
 
Re: Bat to a gun fight

Cardinal said:
I've been told that if we took a gun away from a criminal he'd just use a knife or a baseball bat. Sounds like the PA school district is taking that NRA talking point at face value.
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I'd pay good money to see a mass batting....

Some kids would grab flagpoles, others desks, yet others books and bookbags. It'd be a good old stoneage fight.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
Yes the only thing you could take away from a criminal bent on killing as many people as they can to stop them is their life.
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How would you stop a criminal from charging?
 
Mr Person said:
Um, ok.

That really didn't have much of anything to do with my post, which referred to the idea of requiring teachers to arm themselves and act as security when we could instead just pay for trained professionals.
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I don't think we should require anyone to be armed. That should be a personal choice we should be allowed to have that personal choice. Regardless of where you work.
 
Re: Bat to a gun fight

Chillfolks said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...chers-small-baseball-bats-last-resort-n864986



A PA school distract is issuing small 16" bats to teachers as a way to combat the helpless of an active shooter.

For those concerned about kids getting weapons how do you feel about every classroom having a bat in it? Would you like your school to arm teachers with bats? Are they an effective tool to prevent a shooting? Is it a meaningless symbolic gesture (the cya it's all a joke excuse) and waste of taxpayer money?

Whomever thought bringing a bat to a gun fight was a good idea should be fired immediately.
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If rock beats scissors then bat beats gun. I think it's pretty brilliant.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Surely the brainchild of liberal administrators.
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Not likely. The GOP dominate in Millcreek Township... and helped Trump win Erie County, even though the DEMs rule the city of Erie 2-1.

At polling sites from Millcreek to Harborcreek, from North East and Mill Village to Venango, Waterford and Wayne townships, Trump bested Clinton, in many instances by wide margins.
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Final Erie County vote totals shed light on Trump's win - News - GoErie.com - Erie, PA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millcreek_Township,_Erie_County,_Pennsylvania
 
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Jetboogieman said:
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I must be in the advanced stages of depression. I've hit "replay" on that a dozen times and I can't stop laughing.
 
I have a HANK AARON model by my bed that I plan on beating the living hell out of anyone that would dare to break into my home...that is after I shoot them.
 
Re: Bat to a gun fight

Chillfolks said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...chers-small-baseball-bats-last-resort-n864986



A PA school distract is issuing small 16" bats to teachers as a way to combat the helpless of an active shooter.

For those concerned about kids getting weapons how do you feel about every classroom having a bat in it? Would you like your school to arm teachers with bats? Are they an effective tool to prevent a shooting? Is it a meaningless symbolic gesture (the cya it's all a joke excuse) and waste of taxpayer money?

Whomever thought bringing a bat to a gun fight was a good idea should be fired immediately.
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A 16 inch bat to combat someone with a gun? They are aware that bullets move a whole lot faster than mini bats? Like they are just giving students and teachers a false sense of security. It reminds of this South Park Clip.


http://southpark.cc.com/clips/149714/duck-cover
 
Crovax said:
In close quarters a hand weapon can often fare better than a firearm. Inside of 21 feet it’s often better to have a knife than a gun
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Eh, well... yes and no.


The Tueller Drill (as I presume you refer to mentioning 21') is a drill meant to get shooters (especially cops) to take knifers seriously... there are solutions to the Tueller "problem" that advantage the shooter.

But in most scenarios, the person with the gun has more advantages at 21'. At arm's length it is more even, if the knifer is a skilled fighter, but a short club isn't really a match for a gun. Better than nothing but not by much.

Locked in a small room with no maneuver options I *might* prefer the knife... but in most cases I'd rather be the one with the handgun.
 
PTF said:
I've seen this report online.
How can a small bat stop a culprit shooting a elephant gun at students and staff ?
Imagine the seventh inning stretch were the culprit reloads. I guess when he fires the teacher swings...strike one ! Who do you think will walk ?
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...Wait, who the **** had an elephant gun?
 
Mr Person said:
If we're going to have armed teachers in school, I want them to have appropriate training - what LEO's go through at least. I do not want a single teacher to be forced to take on that role.

I would much rather simply pay to have a team of armed trained guards in uniform at schools, however. The trouble with armed civilians trying to stop a shooter is (1) likelihood of causing collateral damage, (2) likelihood of security arriving and thinking the teacher is the bad guy.

It'd probably cost 5-15 billion/year to cover all schools with guards, but seeing as Trump has recently boosted military spending from 600b to 700b, we can perhaps drop that back to 685 to cover the protection. Out of all the things we already pay for, I rather think that trying to prevent mass shootings of children is one of the worthier causes. But I'm not all gung-ho on the "good guy with a gun" thing. Sometimes it works. Other times it doesn't.
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I dont want ANYONE to be forced into that role. I think that is the exact wrong approach.

Statistics bear out that the civilian that carries concealed has a pretty solid history of safe and responsible carry. Law enforcement doesnt even have a stellar history of response in the very schools they are in 'protecting' them.
 
Re: Bat to a gun fight

Mr Person said:
I'd pay good money to see a mass batting....Some kids would grab flagpoles, others desks, yet others books and bookbags. It'd be a good old stoneage fight.
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Bats are not the problem......its Chuck E Cheese teaching them violence at an early age.

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Jesse Booth said:
...Wait, who the **** had an elephant gun?
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I was only using the elephant gun only as a example of the point I made. But you'll never know what will be used next.
 
PTF said:
I was only using the elephant gun only as a example of the point I made. But you'll never know what will be used next.
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Whatever happens the teachers will have a bat and all will be ok
 
Re: Bat to a gun fight

Chillfolks said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...chers-small-baseball-bats-last-resort-n864986



A PA school distract is issuing small 16" bats to teachers as a way to combat the helpless of an active shooter.

For those concerned about kids getting weapons how do you feel about every classroom having a bat in it? Would you like your school to arm teachers with bats? Are they an effective tool to prevent a shooting? Is it a meaningless symbolic gesture (the cya it's all a joke excuse) and waste of taxpayer money?

Whomever thought bringing a bat to a gun fight was a good idea should be fired immediately.
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What a ****ed up country.


Guess what the kids will learn...................
 
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