McCain: Trump 'emboldened' Assad with comments on US withdrawal from Syria

Beaudreaux said:

Not even close to funny. Damned inappropriate and hateful.

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Maybe he thought McCain was already dead.

Roadvirus said:

McCain should just shut his warmongering piehole.

If it were up to him, we'd be neck-deep in a war with Iran now.

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I actually don't know why McCain is discussing this. Not that he is wrong....I just don't understand where he is going with this. Trump gets in enough trouble all by himself. He does not need McCain's help.

trixare4kids said:

Maybe he thought McCain was already dead.

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Nope. He proved that in his response to me. Even if he had, which means we would first have to believe he put thought into the post, it would have still been just as inappropriate and hateful to make the comment in a post. To do so has but one purpose in mind, and I pointed that out.

trixare4kids said:

NPR is not exactly an unbiased source.
However, nice cherry picking of the article.
I noticed that you left this out:


Since we now know Obama later had to put a few hundred military advisers and 1500 troops back in Iraq, we can safely conclude that the rise of ISIS was on Obama's dime.

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Well, you can say the apple is a banana all you wan't. It's a free country.

Just sayin'....

Captain America said:

Well, you can say the apple is a banana all you wan't. It's a free country.

Just sayin'....

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And sometimes a banana is just a banana.
The above poster did cherry pick his NPR article.
Even NPR concluded: "2. Yes, a significant American troop presence would have helped slow the growth of ISIS."
And that was my point all along...

Cya :2wave:

Beaudreaux said:

Nope. He proved that in his response to me. Even if he had, which means we would first have to believe he put thought into the post, it would have still been just as inappropriate and hateful to make the comment in a post. To do so has but one purpose in mind, and I pointed that out.

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:toilet: Calling bs
You were acting as the thought police.

Floridafan said:

Posts under which of your many ID's, sis?

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Got any evidence of this accusation?

floridafan said:

what good is that sweetie, they are in cahoots with you. Its all one big beautiful scam. I wonder how much of these boards revenues are financed abroad?

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omg...

Fletch said:

There is zero evidence that the chemical attack is related to the Trump comment. That is just you and every other leftist spouting TDS nonsense.

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Funny how any fact you don’t like magically becomes “denial”.

Trump made his comment about pulling out.

Assad immediately gassed his own people.

Hmm.....I wonder what changed?

Abbazorkzog said:

I'm fairly sure that Turkey could would fully capable of punishing Assad and the Syrian State. The U.S. is not the "only force" we would just get it done far more quickly (if we could actually FOCUS instead of spreading our forces out so thin across many different countries simultaneously).

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Turkey is far more interesting in killing Kurds than punishing Assad for using chemical weapons on civilians. Hell, if the Kurds are the best to get gassed Erdogan would give him a standing ovation.

apdst said:

But, U.S. troops haven't pulled; haven't even begun to pull out. The attack had nothing to do with the announcement.

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The president announcing that we are going to do something is generally seen as being set in stone by the rest of the world. Assad didn’t want to waste any time in getting back to the slaughter.

Tigerace117 said:

Funny how any fact you don’t like magically becomes “denial”.

Trump made his comment about pulling out.

Assad immediately gassed his own people.

Hmm.....I wonder what changed?

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Yeah and my alarm clock went off and 22 minutes later the sun rose. Did my alarm cause the sunrise too? Assad has gassed his people before. You have no idea why he did it then and you have no idea why he did it now. You hate Trump, therefore you want to blame Trump even though you have zero evidence to back up your claim. So you can stop pretending that you have anything that even remotely resembles a 'fact' for me to deny.

Tigerace117 said:

Turkey is far more interesting in killing Kurds than punishing Assad for using chemical weapons on civilians. Hell, if the Kurds are the best to get gassed Erdogan would give him a standing ovation.

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True, but if they wanted to they would mollywhop Syria with ease.

Tigerace117 said:

The president announcing that we are going to do something is generally seen as being set in stone by the rest of the world. Assad didn’t want to waste any time in getting back to the slaughter.

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Assad might have blown that call.

Captain America said:

Step away from the fake news.

You guys repeating that over and over again will not make it the truth no matter how hard you try. Not everyone is as gullible as your team seems to be.

You seem to forget that Obama was obligated to honor a previous agreement made by the preceding President, Bush.

It was President George W. Bush who signed the Status of Forces agreement in 2008, which planned for all American troops to be out of Iraq by the end of 2011.

"The agreement lays out a framework for the withdrawal of American forces in Iraq — a withdrawal that is possible because of the success of the surge," he said in a joint press conference with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki at the time.

Thousands of American troops had died, and by the time Obama announced the withdrawal, fully three-quarters of Americans supported the withdrawal (though a majority of Republicans did not).

The State Department's lawyers said troops couldn't stay in Iraq unless the Iraqi parliament authorized them to do so, including granting them immunity from Iraqi law. The Iraqi parliamentarians would never OK such a decision, with Iraqi popular opinion staunchly against U.S. troops staying.

Fact check is your friend. Use it sometimes, will you?

Study to show thyself approved..........

https://www.npr.org/2015/12/19/459850716/fact-check-did-obama-withdraw-from-iraq-too-soon-allowing-isis-to-grow

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Bush never committed to a total pull out. Obama found an excuse to haul ass, just he said he would and he went for it. So, yes, research is your friend.

apdst said:

Assad might have blown that call.

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That seems likely--- but the other hand, brutal dictators generally aren't all that bright, so its not too surprising that Assad would pull something like this.

Putin is the rare exception to that rule, though

Tigerace117 said:

That seems likely--- but the other hand, brutal dictators generally aren't all that bright, so its not too surprising that Assad would pull something like this.

Putin is the rare exception to that rule, though

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Yeah, that isn't true.

Fletch said:

Yeah and my alarm clock went off and 22 minutes later the sun rose. Did my alarm cause the sunrise too? Assad has gassed his people before. You have no idea why he did it then and you have no idea why he did it now. You hate Trump, therefore you want to blame Trump even though you have zero evidence to back up your claim. So you can stop pretending that you have anything that even remotely resembles a 'fact' for me to deny.

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Gee, were you personally enforcing the rising of the sun, and without your presence it would just do whatever it wanted--- like, say, go incinerate something? And then did you say that you were no longer interested in enforcing such actions?

No?

Then you argument doesn't work. But nice try.

You and Trump have a hilarious level of persecution complex. He is the president of the United States; for better or worse, his words and actions influence decisions made by foreign regimes. Pretending that is not the case is ignoring reality, and while you are quite good at that......

So you can stop wailin about how mean you think it is that Trump's words and statements affect what other governments do, and thus that people don't just let him off the hook when he prompts an atrocity.

apdst said:

Yeah, that isn't true.

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Hitler wasn't that bright.

Stalin wasn't that bright.

Saddam wasn't that bright.

Frankly, there are few to none James Bond style "evil genius dictators". These are people who gain and keep power by being more willing to commit atrocities than others; not necessarily by being smarter than anyone.

Tigerace117 said:

Gee, were you personally enforcing the rising of the sun, and without your presence it would just do whatever it wanted--- like, say, go incinerate something? And then did you say that you were no longer interested in enforcing such actions?

No?

Then you argument doesn't work. But nice try.

You and Trump have a hilarious level of persecution complex. He is the president of the United States; for better or worse, his words and actions influence decisions made by foreign regimes. Pretending that is not the case is ignoring reality, and while you are quite good at that......

So you can stop wailin about how mean you think it is that Trump's words and statements affect what other governments do, and thus that people don't just let him off the hook when he prompts an atrocity.

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You are arguing against things I didnt say. I realize Trumps words have consequences. What I am arguing against is the baseless assertion of yours, and virtually every other Trump hating liberal, that his comments precipitated this chemical attack. You have exactly ZERO proof of that charge and you know it. Try being honest and admit that and we can continue on.

Fletch said:

You are arguing against things I didnt say. I realize Trumps words have consequences. What I am arguing against is the baseless assertion of yours, and virtually every other Trump hating liberal, that his comments precipitated this chemical attack. You have exactly ZERO proof of that charge and you know it. Try being honest and admit that and we can continue on.

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In my case, I do not believe trump's comments caused or maybe even precipitated the chem attack at least by the strictest definition of the word. I think that as unlikely as the idea that Trump's missile attack from last year prevented anything. Trump's missile attack might have caused a delay in Assad chem attacks, but not more than a delay. By the same token, Trump's ill advised comments which were a surprise given the rancor he has expressed for Obama having done similarly, could have seemed like an opportunity to Assad, nothing less than that but nothing more either.

What people that want to discuss Trump in terms of this "grand strategist" ignore is that the so called atypical politician makes more statements for political effect only than any politician I have ever seen. I actually do not know why he sprung the "getting out of Syria" comment on that crowd in Ohio. That raised nothing from that crowd in the way of positive response which has been all trump really cares about in these stump speeches. Nobody in Defense or National Security had a clue that trump was going to make that statement. So it must not have been in the written speech he was supposed to give. Donald was flyin' free AGAIN.

The only people that think all this flyin' free stuff makes any sense are Donald and Donald sycophants. It gets him in more trouble than it is worth now that he is actually in the job and we are just along for the "gets in trouble" ride as the country gets in trouble along with Donald. Trump has all of these balls that he throws up in the air and he just leaves them there. Nobody really knows what they are about or what trump's intentions are for them and apparently Trump does not know either.

Its a helter skelter presidency and foreign leaders especially adversaries take advantage of it where they can. Trump's comment in Ohio simply opened a door for Assad and Putin and they walked through it. That does not mean that Trump pulled those two through it, but he did open the door.

Xi, Moon and KJU having snookered trump into a back bencher on this Korean Peninsula meeting is another example of Trump flying free right into a trap. Those three have completely dominated the dialog and the press from that day to this one and all three of them will be better prepared than Donald will be the day of the meeting, whenever that happens.