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WHAT Are the Odds?

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so, we have come to learn that Mueller has discovered several Trump associates were dealing with 'Russians' and these people lied to Mueller's investigation team about their involvement with these Russians.
Now there is a verifiable record from Mueller's investigation of Trump associates that were actually involved in some type of 'conspiracy' aka collusion, to effect the 2016 POTUS election, even if Trump himself was not privy to ANY of these scenarios, which Trump has continually claimed he was not aware of these scenarios aka, "there is no collusion" as Trump states.

Now, we have the Stormy Daniels saga in which a bimbo claims Trump's attorney (Cohen) paid her $130K & now Trump states he knows nothing of the issue.


So, in regard to the claim of collusion concerning the 2016 election & in regard to the claim by Stormy Daniels concerning the claimed affair & the $130K payment/NDA, I have some questions.

WHAT ARE THE ODDS that Trump did not know about the now proven attempts at collusion by his associates during the election?
WHAT ARE THE ODDS that Trump did not know about the $130K payment & NDA concerning Cohen/Stormy Daniels?

I find it rather unbelievable that associates of Trump would attempt to collude with Russians to influence the 2016 election and Trump not knowing about said collusion.
I find it rather unbelievable that associates of Trump would attempt to keep a $130K payment & NDA a secret from Trump and Trump having no knowledge of said payment, or NDA.

WHY would Trump associates basically go behind Trump's back to do either one of these incredible things?
WHY would Trump associates go behind Trump's back to do both of these incredible things?
This does NOT add up; this is NOT believable.

What are the odds?
 
cuban smokes said:
so, we have come to learn that Mueller has discovered several Trump associates were dealing with 'Russians' and these people lied to Mueller's investigation team about their involvement with these Russians.
Now there is a verifiable record from Mueller's investigation of Trump associates that were actually involved in some type of 'conspiracy' aka collusion, to effect the 2016 POTUS election, even if Trump himself was not privy to ANY of these scenarios, which Trump has continually claimed he was not aware of these scenarios aka, "there is no collusion" as Trump states.

Now, we have the Stormy Daniels saga in which a bimbo claims Trump's attorney (Cohen) paid her $130K & now Trump states he knows nothing of the issue.


So, in regard to the claim of collusion concerning the 2016 election & in regard to the claim by Stormy Daniels concerning the claimed affair & the $130K payment/NDA, I have some questions.

WHAT ARE THE ODDS that Trump did not know about the now proven attempts at collusion by his associates during the election?
WHAT ARE THE ODDS that Trump did not know about the $130K payment & NDA concerning Cohen/Stormy Daniels?

I find it rather unbelievable that associates of Trump would attempt to collude with Russians to influence the 2016 election and Trump not knowing about said collusion.
I find it rather unbelievable that associates of Trump would attempt to keep a $130K payment & NDA a secret from Trump and Trump having no knowledge of said payment, or NDA.

WHY would Trump associates basically go behind Trump's back to do either one of these incredible things?
WHY would Trump associates go behind Trump's back to do both of these incredible things?
This does NOT add up; this is NOT believable.

What are the odds?
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Trump knew that Russians were around and he did not care, because they did not matter, they had nothing to do with what he was doing and he has no big problem with Russians.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump knew that Russians were around and he did not care, because they did not matter, they had nothing to do with what he was doing.
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That does not account for WHY someone that is perceived to be so important & so powerful as Trump supposedly is, being basically hoodwinked by his own associates, NOT once BUT TWICE.

What are the odds that Trump himself was completely oblivious to such important events being carried out by his own associates & Trump himself claims he was not aware of any of it?

It is not believable; it makes no sense for such a person to be 'fooled' by his own people. Someone is lying; I believe it is Trump who is lying.
 
cuban smokes said:
That does not account for WHY someone that is perceived to be so important & so powerful as Trump supposedly is, being basically hoodwinked by his own associates, NOT once BUT TWICE.

What are the odds that Trump himself was completely oblivious to such important events being carried out by his own associates & Trump himself claims he was not aware of any of it?

It is not believable; it makes no sense for such a person to be 'fooled' by his own people. Someone is lying; I believe it is Trump who is lying.
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Sure Trump is lying, he I think was the one who ordered his people to try to find a way to reach out to Putin, because Trump wanted to blow into office with a grand deal with Putin in order to solve some problems and show how great he was...show that he could do in weeks of POTUS Time what others had failed to do in years. In order to do that deal he needed to figure out what Putin wanted, and what he was willing to deal on. But see this just proves how far away he was from Putin at the time, and he did not get very far, and now his reaching out the the Russians would be taken badly by his haters so he keeps it under his hat as best he can. Trump is however honest when he says that there was no collusion, because this has nothing to do with beating Hillary this was all about doing well after he was elected, and he did not get very far, most likely because Putin did not believe that he would win.
 
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cuban smokes said:
so, we have come to learn that Mueller has discovered several Trump associates were dealing with 'Russians' and these people lied to Mueller's investigation team about their involvement with these Russians.
Now there is a verifiable record from Mueller's investigation of Trump associates that were actually involved in some type of 'conspiracy' aka collusion, to effect the 2016 POTUS election, even if Trump himself was not privy to ANY of these scenarios, which Trump has continually claimed he was not aware of these scenarios aka, "there is no collusion" as Trump states.

Now, we have the Stormy Daniels saga in which a bimbo claims Trump's attorney (Cohen) paid her $130K & now Trump states he knows nothing of the issue.


So, in regard to the claim of collusion concerning the 2016 election & in regard to the claim by Stormy Daniels concerning the claimed affair & the $130K payment/NDA, I have some questions.

WHAT ARE THE ODDS that Trump did not know about the now proven attempts at collusion by his associates during the election?
WHAT ARE THE ODDS that Trump did not know about the $130K payment & NDA concerning Cohen/Stormy Daniels?

I find it rather unbelievable that associates of Trump would attempt to collude with Russians to influence the 2016 election and Trump not knowing about said collusion.
I find it rather unbelievable that associates of Trump would attempt to keep a $130K payment & NDA a secret from Trump and Trump having no knowledge of said payment, or NDA.

WHY would Trump associates basically go behind Trump's back to do either one of these incredible things?
WHY would Trump associates go behind Trump's back to do both of these incredible things?
This does NOT add up; this is NOT believable.

What are the odds?
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130,000 to 1
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump knew that Russians were around and he did not care, because they did not matter, they had nothing to do with what he was doing and he has no big problem with Russians.
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Ah, are you sure you know what you're saying?

As I read the above, you're saying Trump knew all along, but ignored it. A man running for president of the United States knew Russian agents and his staff were meeting, 'in collusion' and said and did nothing.

That's negligence.

He's got aids messing with a country under sanction by the United States Government during an election, and he knew and ignored it? Or chose not to ask what it was about? Did not cared about the consequences or even the optics.

Sorry, but even if true, he's negligent.

And that runs contrary to how he has tried to shut down or discredit this investigation. If, as you say he knew all about it and it was all nothing, he would have destroyed his enemies by coming clean and admitting to what he does know.

There's only one reason people act guilty
 
cuban smokes said:
That does not account for WHY someone that is perceived to be so important & so powerful as Trump supposedly is, being basically hoodwinked by his own associates, NOT once BUT TWICE.

What are the odds that Trump himself was completely oblivious to such important events being carried out by his own associates & Trump himself claims he was not aware of any of it?

It is not believable; it makes no sense for such a person to be 'fooled' by his own people. Someone is lying; I believe it is Trump who is lying.
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Obviously Trump was aware of these discussions. You can bet your ass he knew about Papadopoulos, Veselnitskaya, the talks with Wikileaks, Sater-Cohen talking to VTB, Manafort, the thing with Peter Smith, and the talks with Kislyak. And yes, it is indicative of a conspiracy behind the scenes, as you don't have that much contact with a foreign power, which just happens to be illegally meddling in the election to assist you, and not be aware of at least some of what's going on, and it explains perfectly why Trump does not want this to be investigated.

I doubt Mueller can prove the connection beyond demonstrating a few people might have broken some FEC laws.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Ah, are you sure you know what you're saying?

As I read the above, you're saying Trump knew all along, but ignored it. A man running for president of the United States knew Russian agents and his staff were meeting, 'in collusion' and said and did nothing.

That's negligence.

He's got aids messing with a country under sanction by the United States Government during an election, and he knew and ignored it? Or chose not to ask what it was about? Did not cared about the consequences or even the optics.

Sorry, but even if true, he's negligent.

And that runs contrary to how he has tried to shut down or discredit this investigation. If, as you say he knew all about it and it was all nothing, he would have destroyed his enemies by coming clean and admitting to what he does know.

There's only one reason people act guilty
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Trump has been dealing with Russians for a lot of years, and he mostly has found the Russians to be OK people, why would he care? He acts guilty here because he wanted to reach out to Putin summer of 2016, made some efforts towards that end, which Mueller will spin into something that will be believed by those who are looking for a way to unload Trump.

Trumps behavior here is easy to understand.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump has been dealing with Russians for a lot of years, and he mostly has found the Russians to be OK people, why would he care? He acts guilty here because he wanted to reach out to Putin summer of 2016, made some efforts towards that end, which Mueller will spin into something that will be believed by those who are looking for a way to unload Trump.

Trumps behavior here is easy to understand.
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So, someone (Trump in this case) acts guilty even though they are not guilty? LOL .............. that is rich ..........
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump has been dealing with Russians for a lot of years, and he mostly has found the Russians to be OK people, why would he care? He acts guilty here because he wanted to reach out to Putin summer of 2016, made some efforts towards that end, which Mueller will spin into something that will be believed by those who are looking for a way to unload Trump.

Trumps behavior here is easy to understand.
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When you've had enough cool aid, yeah.
 
It seems unfair, almost cheating to place odds on a game that is almost over. Especially when one team is terrible and the other has so many points.
 
cuban smokes said:
so, we have come to learn that Mueller has discovered several Trump associates were dealing with 'Russians' and these people lied to Mueller's investigation team about their involvement with these Russians.
Now there is a verifiable record from Mueller's investigation of Trump associates that were actually involved in some type of 'conspiracy' aka collusion, to effect the 2016 POTUS election, even if Trump himself was not privy to ANY of these scenarios, which Trump has continually claimed he was not aware of these scenarios aka, "there is no collusion" as Trump states.

Now, we have the Stormy Daniels saga in which a bimbo claims Trump's attorney (Cohen) paid her $130K & now Trump states he knows nothing of the issue.


So, in regard to the claim of collusion concerning the 2016 election & in regard to the claim by Stormy Daniels concerning the claimed affair & the $130K payment/NDA, I have some questions.

WHAT ARE THE ODDS that Trump did not know about the now proven attempts at collusion by his associates during the election?
WHAT ARE THE ODDS that Trump did not know about the $130K payment & NDA concerning Cohen/Stormy Daniels?

I find it rather unbelievable that associates of Trump would attempt to collude with Russians to influence the 2016 election and Trump not knowing about said collusion.
I find it rather unbelievable that associates of Trump would attempt to keep a $130K payment & NDA a secret from Trump and Trump having no knowledge of said payment, or NDA.

WHY would Trump associates basically go behind Trump's back to do either one of these incredible things?
WHY would Trump associates go behind Trump's back to do both of these incredible things?
This does NOT add up; this is NOT believable.

What are the odds?
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What are the odds Trump would have known about collusion, compounded by his reluctance to criticize Putin and implement sanctions...?

"Curioser and curiouser..."

Thx :)
 
cuban smokes said:
so, we have come to learn that Mueller has discovered several Trump associates were dealing with 'Russians' and these people lied to Mueller's investigation team about their involvement with these Russians.
Now there is a verifiable record from Mueller's investigation of Trump associates that were actually involved in some type of 'conspiracy' aka collusion, to effect the 2016 POTUS election, even if Trump himself was not privy to ANY of these scenarios, which Trump has continually claimed he was not aware of these scenarios aka, "there is no collusion" as Trump states.

Now, we have the Stormy Daniels saga in which a bimbo claims Trump's attorney (Cohen) paid her $130K & now Trump states he knows nothing of the issue.


So, in regard to the claim of collusion concerning the 2016 election & in regard to the claim by Stormy Daniels concerning the claimed affair & the $130K payment/NDA, I have some questions.

WHAT ARE THE ODDS that Trump did not know about the now proven attempts at collusion by his associates during the election?
WHAT ARE THE ODDS that Trump did not know about the $130K payment & NDA concerning Cohen/Stormy Daniels?

I find it rather unbelievable that associates of Trump would attempt to collude with Russians to influence the 2016 election and Trump not knowing about said collusion.
I find it rather unbelievable that associates of Trump would attempt to keep a $130K payment & NDA a secret from Trump and Trump having no knowledge of said payment, or NDA.

WHY would Trump associates basically go behind Trump's back to do either one of these incredible things?
WHY would Trump associates go behind Trump's back to do both of these incredible things?
This does NOT add up; this is NOT believable.

What are the odds?
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It's not the odds of whether it happened or not. It's the odds of proving it and getting away with it.
 
cuban smokes said:
So, someone (Trump in this case) acts guilty even though they are not guilty? LOL .............. that is rich ..........
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No, it is that people who dont understand Trump and dont want to will never comprehend what he was up to, in their head what he did actually do will be judged to be driven by terrible motives when it was actually driven by the best of motives, so he finds it better to not be transparent. With the amount of hate he has received to date from the ignorant haters I dont blame him too much.
 
bluesmoke said:
It's not the odds of whether it happened or not. It's the odds of proving it and getting away with it.
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so, for the sake of debate; Trump is lying on both counts. That's what I thought .............. nice ..........
 
Hawkeye10 said:
No, it is that people who dont understand Trump and dont want to will never comprehend what he was up to, in their head what he did actually do will be judged to be driven by terrible motives when it was actually driven by the best of motives, so he finds it better to not be transparent. With the amount of hate he has received to date from the ignorant haters I dont blame him too much.
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Trump was actually the ONE candidate that was offering multiple levels of 'hate' during the campaign; his campaign was built on hate so, if anyone in the picture was offering hate it was Trump himself ............. I guess we get what we give ..............
 
cuban smokes said:
so, we have come to learn that Mueller has discovered several Trump associates were dealing with 'Russians' and these people lied to Mueller's investigation team about their involvement with these Russians.
Now there is a verifiable record from Mueller's investigation of Trump associates that were actually involved in some type of 'conspiracy' aka collusion, to effect the 2016 POTUS election, even if Trump himself was not privy to ANY of these scenarios, which Trump has continually claimed he was not aware of these scenarios aka, "there is no collusion" as Trump states.

Now, we have the Stormy Daniels saga in which a bimbo claims Trump's attorney (Cohen) paid her $130K & now Trump states he knows nothing of the issue.


So, in regard to the claim of collusion concerning the 2016 election & in regard to the claim by Stormy Daniels concerning the claimed affair & the $130K payment/NDA, I have some questions.

WHAT ARE THE ODDS that Trump did not know about the now proven attempts at collusion by his associates during the election?
WHAT ARE THE ODDS that Trump did not know about the $130K payment & NDA concerning Cohen/Stormy Daniels?

I find it rather unbelievable that associates of Trump would attempt to collude with Russians to influence the 2016 election and Trump not knowing about said collusion.
I find it rather unbelievable that associates of Trump would attempt to keep a $130K payment & NDA a secret from Trump and Trump having no knowledge of said payment, or NDA.

WHY would Trump associates basically go behind Trump's back to do either one of these incredible things?
WHY would Trump associates go behind Trump's back to do both of these incredible things?
This does NOT add up; this is NOT believable.

What are the odds?
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Zero.
 
cuban smokes said:
Now there is a verifiable record from Mueller's investigation of Trump associates that were actually involved in some type of 'conspiracy' aka collusion, to effect the 2016 POTUS election,
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Is there some new evidence you're referring to because so far there has been no crimes or evidence of collusion with Russians on anything more than in the most superficial of contexts. There has been charges for lying to the FBI, and money laundering and such but nothing about collusion.
 
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