Dangerous People Shouldn't Be Allowed To Run Around Loose (gun control)

Moderate Right · Apr 7, 2018

Yet, another example of an obviously dangerous person who shouldn't be running around loose. The left stupidly want to let people like this roam around freely and try keeping guns out of their hands. It's not about guns! We need to keep dangerous people off the streets and not restrict the second amendment rights of law abiding citizens. When are we ever going to get smart and keep these people locked up? Why did this senior have to go through this?

Elderly woman outsmarts Florida man who tried to kidnap her | Miami Herald

chuckiechan · Apr 7, 2018

He's probably used to getting away with things like this.

Most criminals are a one man crime wave until they get unlucky and a homeowner shoots them or the cops catch them.

I was bounced off a jury trial of a guy who was a ordinary 9 to 5 burglar probably committed ten or fifteen and no one really broke a sweat trying to catch him. Then he assaulted a woman and they had him in a day. So it sounds to me that the police really didn't give a **** until they had to.

ttwtt78640 · Apr 7, 2018

Moderate Right said:
Yet, another example of an obviously dangerous person who shouldn't be running around loose. The left stupidly want to let people like this roam around freely and try keeping guns out of their hands. It's not about guns! We need to keep dangerous people off the streets and not restrict the second amendment rights of law abiding citizens. When are we ever going to get smart and keep these people locked up? Why did this senior have to go through this?

Elderly woman outsmarts Florida man who tried to kidnap her | Miami Herald

The link mentions 10 prior arrests (since 2006) yet no criminal convictions. I am unaware of any policy to keep folks locked up without a conviction. It is unclear from the link if he actually had a gun - it reports only that he said that he had a gun and was not (yet) charged with any gun crime. It will be interesting to see if the attempted kidnapping charge ever makes it to court - I am willing to bet that this is plead down to a misdemeanor and that the sentence is time served plus probation.

rocket88 · Apr 7, 2018

Moderate Right said:
Yet, another example of an obviously dangerous person who shouldn't be running around loose. The left stupidly want to let people like this roam around freely and try keeping guns out of their hands. It's not about guns! We need to keep dangerous people off the streets and not restrict the second amendment rights of law abiding citizens. When are we ever going to get smart and keep these people locked up? Why did this senior have to go through this?

Elderly woman outsmarts Florida man who tried to kidnap her | Miami Herald

The funny thing is that a good background check would keep him from legally owning a gun. I wonder which party doesn't support such things....

Moderate Right · Apr 7, 2018

ttwtt78640 said:
The link mentions 10 prior arrests (since 2006) yet no criminal convictions. I am unaware of any policy to keep folks locked up without a conviction. It is unclear from the link if he actually had a gun - it reports only that he said that he had a gun and was not (yet) charged with any gun crime. It will be interesting to see if the attempted kidnapping charge ever makes it to court - I am willing to bet that this is plead down to a misdemeanor and that the sentence is time served plus probation.

Out to do it yet again.

Moderate Right · Apr 7, 2018

rocket88 said:
The funny thing is that a good background check would keep him from legally owning a gun. I wonder which party doesn't support such things....

You don't understand. A gun had absolutely nothing to do with it. There's no evidence this guy even had a gun at all. He may have just told the lady that he had a gun when he really didn't. The point is, this person shouldn't be roaming around free whether he has a gun or not. If he wasn't free, this would have never happened to this lady.

rocket88 · Apr 7, 2018

Moderate Right said:
You don't understand. A gun had absolutely nothing to do with it. There's no evidence this guy even had a gun at all. He may have just told the lady that he had a gun when he really didn't. The point is, this person shouldn't be roaming around free whether he has a gun or not. If he wasn't free, this would have never happened to this lady.

Then why did you put gun control in the title of the thread?

A good background check would keep such a person from owning a gun. That makes him much less dangerous.

bluesmoke · Apr 7, 2018

Moderate Right said:
Yet, another example of an obviously dangerous person who shouldn't be running around loose. The left stupidly want to let people like this roam around freely and try keeping guns out of their hands. It's not about guns! We need to keep dangerous people off the streets and not restrict the second amendment rights of law abiding citizens. When are we ever going to get smart and keep these people locked up? Why did this senior have to go through this?

Elderly woman outsmarts Florida man who tried to kidnap her | Miami Herald

The perpetrator was not known to be dangerous until this incident. Based on what evidence you provided, you gave no history of violence. You give no evidence that “The left” does what you say. All you can do is troll.

Mr Person · Apr 7, 2018

Moderate Right said:
Yet, another example of an obviously dangerous person who shouldn't be running around loose. The left stupidly want to let people like this roam around freely and try keeping guns out of their hands. It's not about guns! We need to keep dangerous people off the streets and not restrict the second amendment rights of law abiding citizens. When are we ever going to get smart and keep these people locked up? Why did this senior have to go through this?

Elderly woman outsmarts Florida man who tried to kidnap her | Miami Herald

In other threads, "the left" is talking about restricting the ability of dangerously mentally ill people to buy and possess guns. They are being attacked for wanting to take everyone's guns.

Fearandloathing · Apr 7, 2018

Moderate Right said:
You don't understand. A gun had absolutely nothing to do with it. There's no evidence this guy even had a gun at all. He may have just told the lady that he had a gun when he really didn't. The point is, this person shouldn't be roaming around free whether he has a gun or not. If he wasn't free, this would have never happened to this lady.

Nothing to do with it?

"Get in the car, I have a gun," police say he commanded.

She didn't budge.

"Get in the car, I have a gun," Hoover, 37, repeated as he moved closer to the elderly woman.

Read more here: Elderly woman outsmarts Florida man who tried to kidnap her | Miami Herald

He said he ha a gun, she believed him as it could have been true. You have a gun oriented society where it would have been completely expected for him to have one

Moderate Right · Apr 12, 2018

rocket88 said:
Then why did you put gun control in the title of the thread?

A good background check would keep such a person from owning a gun. That makes him much less dangerous.

But he is a danger! That's the point. He shouldn't be loose for us to keep guns out of his hands. If he had been under lock and key this lady would have never had to go through this in the first place!

Moderate Right · Apr 12, 2018

bluesmoke said:
The perpetrator was not known to be dangerous until this incident. Based on what evidence you provided, you gave no history of violence. You give no evidence that “The left” does what you say. All you can do is troll.

The guy had been arrested over ten times on drug and theft charges. I am for 3 or 5 strikes and you're out. I'm not against mandatory rehab for drug offenders as long as they are kept off the streets until their drug habit has been overcome and I don't give a damn how long they have to be forcibly confined in order to achieve that. If they can't get off the stuff then they should never be let back out.

Moderate Right · Apr 12, 2018

Mr Person said:
In other threads, "the left" is talking about restricting the ability of dangerously mentally ill people to buy and possess guns. They are being attacked for wanting to take everyone's guns.

We need to keep dangerous people locked up to the point where we don't have to even talk about keeping guns out of their hands because they shouldn't be free in the first place. London's murder rate is just as high or higher than New York City's and they don't have guns there. This is my point. It's not about guns. It's about people roaming around that shouldn't be roaming around in the first place. Now London is talking about knife control. Take guns away, these people just find another murder method. Take their knives away, they just find another murder method. The common denominator is these people shouldn't be walking around freely in the first place.

Moderate Right · Apr 12, 2018

Fearandloathing said:
Nothing to do with it?

He said he ha a gun, she believed him as it could have been true. You have a gun oriented society where it would have been completely expected for him to have one

The point is, this guy shouldn't have been walking around free in the first place.

rocket88 · Apr 12, 2018

Moderate Right said:
But he is a danger! That's the point. He shouldn't be loose for us to keep guns out of his hands. If he had been under lock and key this lady would have never had to go through this in the first place!

Probably, but who should be locked up without committing a crime?

Moderate Right · Apr 12, 2018

ttwtt78640 said:
The link mentions 10 prior arrests (since 2006) yet no criminal convictions. I am unaware of any policy to keep folks locked up without a conviction. It is unclear from the link if he actually had a gun - it reports only that he said that he had a gun and was not (yet) charged with any gun crime. It will be interesting to see if the attempted kidnapping charge ever makes it to court - I am willing to bet that this is plead down to a misdemeanor and that the sentence is time served plus probation.

Makes you wonder what is wrong with society when he is arrested that many times and never convicted.

Moderate Right · Apr 12, 2018

rocket88 said:
Probably, but who should be locked up without committing a crime?

The guys was arrested over 10 times!

ttwtt78640 · Apr 12, 2018

Moderate Right said:
Makes you wonder what is wrong with society when he is arrested that many times and never convicted.

This is Florida where Cruz was never even arrested - just exposed to rotating public schools for his (violent?) behavior.

Chillfolks · Apr 12, 2018

rocket88 said:
The funny thing is that a good background check would keep him from legally owning a gun. I wonder which party doesn't support such things....

How would it of kept him owning a gun? His arrests are minor drug possession charges there was no mention of any felony. Nothing in the article suggests this man was involuntary committed to a mental hospital or deemed in mentally ill. How would a background check stop him? It also makes no mention on how he got the gun. If it was an illegal sale those guys don't run background checks.

What is a " good " background check to stop this??

Chillfolks · Apr 12, 2018

Moderate Right said:
Makes you wonder what is wrong with society when he is arrested that many times and never convicted.

Makes me wonder why the police are doing such a crap job of gathering the needed evidence for a conviction. Not societies fault the case against him can't be proven by his accusers

Lovebug · Apr 12, 2018

rocket88 said:
The funny thing is that a good background check would keep him from legally owning a gun. I wonder which party doesn't support such things....

Locking him up would also prevent him from having a gun. The guy has a record. Does any judge really think he will stop and become a model citizen any time soon?

rocket88 · Apr 13, 2018

Lovebug said:
Locking him up would also prevent him from having a gun. The guy has a record. Does any judge really think he will stop and become a model citizen any time soon?

But apparently none of his crimes would amount to a life sentence. Should some of them get a life sentence?

Moderate Right · Apr 13, 2018

rocket88 said:
But apparently none of his crimes would amount to a life sentence. Should some of them get a life sentence?

1. He should be kept locked up as much as possible. The more he is locked up the less of a danger to society he would be

2. Some of them should get a life sentence. Three strikes and you're out or at least five strikes and you're out. No one should ever be arrested ten times or more.

3. This particular person is apparently a druggie. I would be for not "arresting" druggies, but involuntary commitment to a rehab where the person is kept there for as long as it takes until it can be reasonably assumed they have kicked the habit. If that's forever then it is forever. None of this 30 day program crap and then get released with weekly meetings while free. We do this and give them three chances to stay clean. If they prove it is hopeless for them to ever be clean then they are committed for life, if necessary. To let these people roam around freely to steal to support their habit and give them needles and antidote drugs for them and their families is just plain stupid. Why should my home be burglarized by this guy so that he can continuously support his drug habit after being arrested 10-20 times?

jimbo · Apr 13, 2018

rocket88 said:
The funny thing is that a good background check would keep him from legally owning a gun. I wonder which party doesn't support such things....

No one owning a gun for the purpose of committing a crime is legally owning a gun.

Legally possessed guns are not the problem.

tres borrachos · Apr 13, 2018

Moderate Right said:
Yet, another example of an obviously dangerous person who shouldn't be running around loose. The left stupidly want to let people like this roam around freely and try keeping guns out of their hands. It's not about guns! We need to keep dangerous people off the streets and not restrict the second amendment rights of law abiding citizens. When are we ever going to get smart and keep these people locked up? Why did this senior have to go through this?

Elderly woman outsmarts Florida man who tried to kidnap her | Miami Herald

Can you please let me know where in the story I can find the connection to "The left stupidly want to let people like this roam around freely "?

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