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What do you think of these election tactics?

Chillfolks said:
Put away the rose coloured glasses. Politics has been about mud slinging as long as the US has been a country. If anything we've becomes more tame in our attacks. What time exactly do you think was better?


Jefferson faced rumors of his affairs with slaves. You don't think that was exploited during his day?
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I don't care if either party slings mud until their arms tire, but keep children out of it. This group used these children for political fodder, not worrying about who they hurt as long as it helped them win. This time it backfired. Maybe that will treach future politico's from doing as bad a thing to these children as their grandfather did.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
I actually heard the ad last weekend. It didn't strike me as "revealing victims identities" although I will admit that I wasn't really paying close attention. The justices sentencing record should definitely be an issue but not in a way that exposes victims to further trauma.

I would have liked to have heard an explanation for the light sentences and I think voters are owed that.
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The funny thing was that the judge who won ran an ad that had the judge who lost giving a rapist a 8 month sentence, which was shorter yet than the sentence given to the grandfather b the judge who won. But that ad left the kind of details out that gave away the kids involved in the bad ad. Hoped that made sense.
 
Perotista said:
The timeline sound about right to me. JFK had many women to include Marilyn Monroe. A lot of the reporters knew about his trysts, but would have never dreamed of reporting on it. Different times, different era. I agree also that Obama got a lot of passes from the media that they wouldn't give another president. Perhaps being the first black president, the media was afraid to really go after him, that if they hit too hard they would be accused of being racist. Perhaps?

I am of the opinion that the media took sides in 2016. They for the most part wanted Hillary to win and it showed. Now Trump is a hard man to like. If one isn't an avid Trump supporters he certainly rubs you the wrong way. Trump is obnoxious, uncouth and in your face. Traits not associated with being president of these here United States. In other words, Trump has generated some of the hatefulness from the media himself. The rest is they just don't like him and I'm sure Trump defeating Hillary has had a lot to do with it. Some of it is Trump's own doing though.

To be honest, I don't like Trump and I think he should never have become president. I don't think Hillary should have either. Neither belonged within a million miles of the white house in my opinion. Now it isn't so much Trump's policies, his stances on the issues, what he has done or tried to do that leaves me with an negative view of him. I've probably been for more than against. But it's his persona, I just can't stand the man. He grates and rubs me the wrong way, like coarse sandpaper.

Here's something to think about: Trump Disapproval Rooted in Character Concerns

Trump Disapproval Rooted in Character Concerns

I personally think if Trump had the personality of a Ronald Reagan his approval rating would be hovering close to 60% instead of 40%.

Here's another: Trump Approval Lower Than U.S. Mood Might Predict

Trump Approval Lower Than U.S. Mood Might Predict
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The difference now compared to every other administration though, is that Trump was elected despite everybody voting knowing who and what he was. We knew he was an imperfect and flawed person with a sketchy past, certainly no paragon of virtue or a role model to emulate. But he offered a vision such as we have not seen in this country in a very long time, and he made us believe he would do his best to achieve it. And based on his track record of taking on big job, problem solving, and not being slave to the status quo and expectations of the permanent political class, we gave him a shot.

And he has not disappointed. We don't care that he isn't a politically correct, polished, coached, scripted politician. We didn't elect him to be that. (And according to Rasmussen, Trump's approval rating is several points higher than Obama's was on April in his second year.)
 
justabubba said:
this is what i see contributed to hillary's loss
she wasn't really FOR anything
her campaign was focused on how awful her opponent was
the negative campaign hurt her
and you could see that in the weak turnout at events ... in stark contrast to Bernie's event attendee numbers
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Yep. Not only during the primaries, also during the general election. You'd see Trump in a football stadium and Hillary in a basketball gym or a cafe. Huge enthusiasm gaps between Sanders supporters and Hillary's, same for Trump's and Hillary's. It was like energy vs. Ho Hum.

About all I remember about Hillary's campaign outside of being lackadaisical was her promise of being an Obama third term. No vision, no ideas or solutions to problems, basically nothing else. I'm sure those things were there, someplace, but she really didn't hit them hard. You probably would have to go to her web site to find them.
 
AlbqOwl said:
The difference now compared to every other administration though, is that Trump was elected despite everybody voting knowing who and what he was. We knew he was an imperfect and flawed person with a sketchy past, certainly no paragon of virtue or a role model to emulate. But he offered a vision such as we have not seen in this country in a very long time, and he made us believe he would do his best to achieve it. And based on his track record of taking on big job, problem solving, and not being slave to the status quo and expectations of the permanent political class, we gave him a shot.

And he has not disappointed. We don't care that he isn't a politically correct, polished, coached, scripted politician. We didn't elect him to be that. (And according to Rasmussen, Trump's approval rating is several points higher than Obama's was on April in his second year.)
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Rasmussen is but on poll, I go by RCP which includes Rasmussen in their polling average.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

The problem I see is that Trump received 46% of the vote. Fine, good enough to win, no problem. Then he started off with a 44% Job approval rating at the end of January 2017. Again fine, basically those who voted for him approved of him or were for him. The question then is would Trump try to expand that support, try to bring independents on board his so called Trump Train? Just looking at the Democratic approval number back then one knew there would be no bringing any democrats on board. But independents were there for Trump to gain their approval.

He didn't even try. He still is only playing to his base, his core of support and no one else. Trump began losing some of those independents who voted for him, supported him in January and by the end of March, he fell below 40% and RCP has him at 41% today. He his approval numbers among independents went from 44% approve, 28% disapprove at the end of January 2017 down to 36% approve, 45% disapprove today. That's a drop of 8 points approval and a increase of 17 on the disapproval.

If one delves deep inside the polls one finds independents are for some of his policies, against some and basically split on the others. Their rising disapproval and the drop in approval boils down to personality and obnoxiousness. sure his avid supporters probably love the Hades out of it. But those who were and are more non-partisan and less ideological, who supported him because he meant change, they don't like him much anymore even if Trump is doing what he said.
 
Perotista said:
Rasmussen is but on poll, I go by RCP which includes Rasmussen in their polling average.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

The problem I see is that Trump received 46% of the vote. Fine, good enough to win, no problem. Then he started off with a 44% Job approval rating at the end of January 2017. Again fine, basically those who voted for him approved of him or were for him. The question then is would Trump try to expand that support, try to bring independents on board his so called Trump Train? Just looking at the Democratic approval number back then one knew there would be no bringing any democrats on board. But independents were there for Trump to gain their approval.

He didn't even try. He still is only playing to his base, his core of support and no one else. Trump began losing some of those independents who voted for him, supported him in January and by the end of March, he fell below 40% and RCP has him at 41% today. He his approval numbers among independents went from 44% approve, 28% disapprove at the end of January 2017 down to 36% approve, 45% disapprove today. That's a drop of 8 points approval and a increase of 17 on the disapproval.

If one delves deep inside the polls one finds independents are for some of his policies, against some and basically split on the others. Their rising disapproval and the drop in approval boils down to personality and obnoxiousness. sure his avid supporters probably love the Hades out of it. But those who were and are more non-partisan and less ideological, who supported him because he meant change, they don't like him much anymore even if Trump is doing what he said.
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President Trump isn't swayed by polls or public opinion and the MSM can't stand it that they have no power over him. President Trump isn't a partisan, ideologue, and certainly isn't your poll tested, coached, and scripted politician. He has his eye on objectives and goals that he was elected to accomplish and your opinion, or my opinion, won't sway him in his resolve. A feckless and self-serving Congress is the only thing that will stop him from accomplishing what he wants to do--what he was elected to do. And he doesn't CARE whether you or I or somebody else think he behaves as a 'proper' politician behaves.

Since Gallup stopped doing it, Rasmussen is the only polling service that does daily rolling polls of the President's approval rating. (The last three days are averaged to produce the number posted.) And despite the non stop, often dishonest, hateful, viscious bashing of the President in the media, on social media, on message boards,etc., and extremely limited coverage of anything positive happening if it is covered at all, Rasmussen had President Trump at 51% approval rating yesterday, back to 47% today which has been holding pretty consistently for the several months. And is several points higher than President Obama was at this point in his Presidency.
 
Disgusting and unnecessary. Children should not be used in political ads period. IMO
 
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