Which is most outrageous?

Dittohead not! · Apr 3, 2018

Ending DACA, or blaming the end of DACA on the Democrats?

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Really, I can't make up my mind. Both are so totally outrageous that it's hard to decide which is worse.

JANFU · Apr 3, 2018

Dittohead not! said:
Ending DACA, or blaming the end of DACA on the Democrats?

Really, I can't make up my mind. Both are so totally outrageous that it's hard to decide which is worse.

Question what is worse
His stating the above or the Spanksters & Spankettes that suck it up?

ecofarm · Apr 3, 2018

Republicans should take increased border personnel, infrastructure and surveillance for DACA. I guess going for the wall is their right, but things could change after midterms.

chuckiechan · Apr 3, 2018

Dittohead not! said:
Ending DACA, or blaming the end of DACA on the Democrats?

Really, I can't make up my mind. Both are so totally outrageous that it's hard to decide which is worse.

If the democrats worked a deal with Trump they would have lost a campaign issue, plain and simple.

So the status of the dreamers has not changed. Not a big deal. The democrats want it for a campaign effort, but that’s about all it’s good for. If the democrats gain control again, they will open the borders and give amnesty to 20 million plus new Democrats all poor and hungry.

That always has been the overarching goal.

Dittohead not! · Apr 3, 2018

chuckiechan said:
If the democrats worked a deal with Trump they would have lost a campaign issue, plain and simple.

So the status of the dreamers has not changed. Not a big deal. The democrats want it for a campaign effort, but that’s about all it’s good for. If the democrats gain control again, they will open the borders and give amnesty to 20 million plus new Democrats all poor and hungry.

That always has been the overarching goal.

according to whom?

Mr Person · Apr 3, 2018

chuckiechan said:
If the democrats worked a deal with Trump they would have lost a campaign issue, plain and simple.

Except Trump repeatedly said they should get a deal.

chuckiechan said:
So the status of the dreamers has not changed.

He tried to rescind the authorizing memo. The only reason they aren't being deported now are lawsuits over the violation of APA procedures in rescinding it.

chuckiechan said:
The democrats want it for a campaign effort, but that’s about all it’s good for. If the democrats gain control again, they will open the borders and give amnesty to 20 million plus new Democrats all poor and hungry. That always has been the overarching goal.

Mr. Einstein, one moment.

The democrats wouldn't have it for a campaign effort if TRUMP did not try to end it.

Stop posting such utterly stupid and cravenly bull****. Lies lies lies. Just stop. Is it supposed to fool anyone?

Trump supporters are already locked in. A person who stopped or was never a Trump supporter is not going to become one because an internet poster announced that contrary to everything reported in the last 2 years, it's actually the Democrats' fault that DACA ended.

The only people who will believe that were already ready to believe anything Trump says.

:shrug:

So stop. It's a waste of space.

ttwtt78640 · Apr 3, 2018

The most outrageous is that while knowing that we lack adequate border and interior immigration law enforcement the desired solution is not to improve it at all. Instead the plan is to declare as many as possible of those that slipped through the gaping and intentional cracks (with no intention of fixing them) be treated as if they had entered or remained legally.

Trump saw an opportunity to compromise and couple improved border and interior immigration law enforcement with some "dreamer" amnesty to appease the open border crowd and to avoid the expense of deporting some of those that entered illegally as minors at least a decade ago. To make the amnesty deal less objectionable to those that wanted only better border and interior immigration law enforcement, Trump added a shift to a more merit based legal immigration selection criteria.

Rosie1 · Apr 3, 2018

Almost everything Trump says is outrageous, as well as untrue. According to CNN, Trump had a bunch of Fox people at his place in Florida over the weekend. He surmised his base is unhappy that he's making little headway on Immigration or his wall. The marchers from Honduras freaked them and Trump out. So, that inspired his latest rant. He's technically not supposed to put regular troops to use inside the US for purposes like rock and cactus guarding. But, the National Guard has been put to such uses before. General Clark pointed out that entries from Mexico are lower at this time, than in the past.

Mycroft · Apr 3, 2018

Dittohead not! said:
Ending DACA, or blaming the end of DACA on the Democrats?

Really, I can't make up my mind. Both are so totally outrageous that it's hard to decide which is worse.

The only thing Trump says that can be considered outrageous are things you just don't want to hear.

In this case, you don't want to hear the Dems being blamed for Congress not wanting to take care of the Dreamers.

Now me? I blame both the Dems AND the Reps in Congress.

veritas1 · Apr 3, 2018

ttwtt78640 said:
The most outrageous is that while knowing that we lack adequate border and interior immigration law enforcement the desired solution is not to improve it at all. Instead the plan is to declare as many as possible of those that slipped through the gaping and intentional cracks (with no intention of fixing them) be treated as if they had entered or remained legally.

Trump saw an opportunity to compromise and couple improved border and interior immigration law enforcement with some "dreamer" amnesty to appease the open border crowd and to avoid the expense of deporting some of those that entered illegally as minors at least a decade ago. To make the amnesty deal less objectionable to those that wanted only better border and interior immigration law enforcement, Trump added a shift to a more merit based legal immigration selection criteria.

Nobody needs Trump to tell them that the left wants open borders. They basically say it daily themselves. More illegals = more future Dem voters. 5 year olds can figure this out. That this is true was shown when they rejected Trump's offer of 1.8 million dreamers when the Dems only wanted 800,000 covered. So, they rejected it because they want the border to stay open (ie. no wall) more than they want to protect dreamers. In reality they only care about the dreamers as votes but know they'll need lots more than the ones they have at present. So, the flow must continue. But hey, complain about it and you're RACIST!!!!. Nevermind that they openly help and support law breaking. The funny part is that this hurts grassroots everyday liberals as much as everyone else. It only helps the lib elite to maintain power.

Checkerboard Strangler · Apr 3, 2018

chuckiechan said:
If the democrats worked a deal with Trump they would have lost a campaign issue, plain and simple.

So the status of the dreamers has not changed. Not a big deal. The democrats want it for a campaign effort, but that’s about all it’s good for. If the democrats gain control again, they will open the borders and give amnesty to 20 million plus new Democrats all poor and hungry.

That always has been the overarching goal.

Just as denying the vote to millions of black Americans in the lower working class and millions of hispanics who are already citizens is the overarching goal of Republicans.

For every specious claim of "border jumping illegal Mexican voters" you throw out there, I can submit a case of polling places shut down in predominantly black areas in the South, increasingly draconian "Voter ID" laws, extreme gerrymandering, do you really want to sit there and claim that Democrats are attempting to put their thumb on the scale in the aftermath of the Supreme Court gutting of the Voting Rights Act of 1964?

chuckiechan · Apr 3, 2018

Mr Person said:
Except Trump repeatedly said they should get a deal.

He tried to rescind the authorizing memo. The only reason they aren't being deported now are lawsuits over the violation of APA procedures in rescinding it.

Mr. Einstein, one moment.

The democrats wouldn't have it for a campaign effort if TRUMP did not try to end it.

Stop posting such utterly stupid and cravenly bull****. Lies lies lies. Just stop. Is it supposed to fool anyone?

Trump supporters are already locked in. A person who stopped or was never a Trump supporter is not going to become one because an internet poster announced that contrary to everything reported in the last 2 years, it's actually the Democrats' fault that DACA ended.

The only people who will believe that were already ready to believe anything Trump says.

:shrug:

So stop. It's a waste of space.

I’ll do as I please, and voters are far from being locked in. The election is a long time off. Trump haters are just noise trying to drown out the sweet sounds of success.

veritas1 · Apr 3, 2018

Checkerboard Strangler said:
Just as denying the vote to millions of black Americans in the lower working class and millions of hispanics who are already citizens is the overarching goal of Republicans.

For every specious claim of "border jumping illegal Mexican voters" you throw out there, I can submit a case of polling places shut down in predominantly black areas in the South, increasingly draconian "Voter ID" laws, extreme gerrymandering, do you really want to sit there and claim that Democrats are attempting to put their thumb on the scale in the aftermath of the Supreme Court gutting of the Voting Rights Act of 1964?

When all of those illegals get made citizens, of course they will be voting. Dems know this and that is why they favor it. It is also why they favor more and more coming. It's all about power and how to maintain it. ID? Just about any American citizen interested in getting ID can get it and those that can't can be assisted in doing so. Probably 99% already have it. You can't do much of anything without it. Gerrymandering? C'mon man. Dems were the masters back when the GOP were but toddlers in this area. I live in MD and have watched Dems ride roughshod for decades. Don't try to tell me about the poor, helpless Dems and how they are outmaneuvered by Republicans.

Checkerboard Strangler · Apr 3, 2018

veritas1 said:
When all of those illegals get made citizens, of course they will be voting. Dems know this and that is why they favor it.

Unless that illegal is Melania Knauss

eohrnberger · Apr 3, 2018

Actually the DACA EO that Obama signed is an over reach of his. The President doesn't have the ability to make law. He said so himself.

If DACA was to become the law of the land, then it would need to be a bill that passed Congress and signed by the President. But that's not what happened, is it?

DACA Is Unconstitutional, as Obama Admitted | The Heritage ...
https://www.heritage.org/immigration/.../daca-unconstitutional-obama-admitted
Sep 8, 2017 - A number of states have threatened to sue the administration to stop the DACA program. In the face of that threat, Trump really had no choice. General Sessions' legal conclusion was that DACA"is vulnerable to the same legal and constitutional challenges that the courts recognized with respect to the ...

The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals Rules Against Obama's Executive ...
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/fifth-circuit-obama.../415077/
Nov 10, 2015 - United States, upholding a lower court's injunction against two programs. Obama created one of the programs, called Deferred Action for Parents of Americans, or DAPA, and expanded another, called Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA in a unilateral effort to reshape the U.S. immigration ...

So what is Trump's ending of DACA? Compliance with a court ruling? Or what?

So what does that make this court ruling?

[h=3]2nd Federal Court Blocks Trump From Rescinding DACA : The Two ...[/h]https://www.npr.org/...way/.../second-federal-court-blocks-trump-from-rescinding-daca
Feb 13, 2018 - A federal judge in New York ruled Tuesday that President Trump's decision to end protection of young immigrants from deportation was "arbitrary and capricious ... Garaufis, however, said the government was "erroneous" in its conclusion that DACA was unconstitutional and that it violated the Administrative ...

Which court ruling is activist? Which is not?
Which court ruling is legislating from the bench? Which is not?

Only confirmation bias knows.

So "Which is most outrageous?"

Both. Neither.

What's more outrageous is that even in the courts the disposition of DACA isn't consistently settled jurisprudence. I thought that's why we pay these guys (judges) so much money. To settle these things. :roll: (government at work)

Kal'Stang · Apr 3, 2018

Dittohead not! said:
Ending DACA, or blaming the end of DACA on the Democrats?

Really, I can't make up my mind. Both are so totally outrageous that it's hard to decide which is worse.

How is blaming the end of DACA not the fault of Democrats? Quite frankly its the fault of both political parties. But you seem to believe that this is Trumps fault. While its true that Trump did end Obama's EO's on DACA he purposely did not end it straight away. He gave those in our legislature time to come up with law on it. Which is where it belonged in the first place. And they failed to do so. If they had come up with a law that everyone agreed on then even if Trump threatened to veto it they would have had enough support to override that veto just like they did with the sanction bill against Russia. Instead both sides refused to compromise. So sorry, but ultimately it is not Trumps fault. It is our legislatures fault.

The Mark · Apr 3, 2018

Dittohead not! said:
Ending DACA, or blaming the end of DACA on the Democrats?

Really, I can't make up my mind. Both are so totally outrageous that it's hard to decide which is worse.

Depends who you're wondering if it's dangerous for.

I'd say both, for different targets and reasons.

If congress can get it's **** together and legislate DACA into law, bypassing the president's idiocy, I'd be pleased.

calamity · Apr 3, 2018

chuckiechan said:
If the democrats worked a deal with Trump they would have lost a campaign issue, plain and simple.

So the status of the dreamers has not changed. Not a big deal. The democrats want it for a campaign effort, but that’s about all it’s good for. If the democrats gain control again, they will open the borders and give amnesty to 20 million plus new Democrats all poor and hungry.

That always has been the overarching goal.

Sounds good. Where do I sign to support that?

donaldduck20174 · Apr 4, 2018

Go trump 2020

ttwtt78640 · Apr 4, 2018

veritas1 said:
Nobody needs Trump to tell them that the left wants open borders. They basically say it daily themselves. More illegals = more future Dem voters. 5 year olds can figure this out. That this is true was shown when they rejected Trump's offer of 1.8 million dreamers when the Dems only wanted 800,000 covered. So, they rejected it because they want the border to stay open (ie. no wall) more than they want to protect dreamers. In reality they only care about the dreamers as votes but know they'll need lots more than the ones they have at present. So, the flow must continue. But hey, complain about it and you're RACIST!!!!. Nevermind that they openly help and support law breaking. The funny part is that this hurts grassroots everyday liberals as much as everyone else. It only helps the lib elite to maintain power.

The republicants also favor keeping things as they are, but for the reason of keeping US wages depressed, or they would insist on better interior enforcement. The eVerify system exists but we don't mandate its use, we intentionally dole out ITINs for the express purpose of allowing illegal immigrant workers to donate tax money and we accept playing "worst of the worst" games with which illegal immigrants, when caught by ICE, are deported. The demorats know that if DACA/DAPA ended tomorrow that none of these folks would be deported even though the DACA "waiver" list contains absolute proof of nearly a million illegal immigrants that have self documented their illegal immigration status.

Vetplus40 · Apr 4, 2018

Dittohead not! said:
Ending DACA, or blaming the end of DACA on the Democrats?

Really, I can't make up my mind. Both are so totally outrageous that it's hard to decide which is worse.

This is an EASY one. They both go together. We have a pathological liar in the WH that folks (a few on here) enable.

Vetplus40 · Apr 4, 2018

Mr Person said:
Except Trump repeatedly said they should get a deal.

He tried to rescind the authorizing memo. The only reason they aren't being deported now are lawsuits over the violation of APA procedures in rescinding it.

Mr. Einstein, one moment.

The democrats wouldn't have it for a campaign effort if TRUMP did not try to end it.

Stop posting such utterly stupid and cravenly bull****. Lies lies lies. Just stop. Is it supposed to fool anyone?

Trump supporters are already locked in. A person who stopped or was never a Trump supporter is not going to become one because an internet poster announced that contrary to everything reported in the last 2 years, it's actually the Democrats' fault that DACA ended.

The only people who will believe that were already ready to believe anything Trump says.

:shrug:

So stop. It's a waste of space.

I will repeat: The Republicans NEVER wanted DACA to begin with. They are dead set against any type of program like DACA. The ONLY reason that the Republicans even act like they are sympathetic to DACA recipients is because of public polling showing that a MAJORITY of Americans support some type of program to help the DACA recipients. There were many ideas floated around to help this situation during Obama's terms that the Republicans wanted to part of.

Vetplus40 · Apr 4, 2018

Mycroft said:
The only thing Trump says that can be considered outrageous are things you just don't want to hear.

In this case, you don't want to hear the Dems being blamed for Congress not wanting to take care of the Dreamers.

Now me? I blame both the Dems AND the Reps in Congress.

But you simply cant bring yourself to criticize Trump can you? Poor fella...LMAO

Vetplus40 · Apr 4, 2018

chuckiechan said:
I’ll do as I please, and voters are far from being locked in. The election is a long time off. Trump haters are just noise trying to drown out the sweet sounds of success.

With simple FACTS, he slammed your bull**** post about as bad as I have ever seen on DP and that is the best comeback that you have?.You tRump droolers are slipping.

holbritter · Apr 4, 2018

Vetplus40 said:
I will repeat: The Republicans NEVER wanted DACA to begin with. They are dead set against any type of program like DACA. The ONLY reason that the Republicans even act like they are sympathetic to DACA recipients is because of public polling showing that a MAJORITY of Americans support some type of program to help the DACA recipients. There were many ideas floated around to help this situation during Obama's terms that the Republicans wanted to part of.

The republicans may be against daca, but they are willing to compromise on it. The Dems, not so much. It's all their way or nothing.

Which is most outrageous?

Dittohead not!

master political analyst

JANFU

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ecofarm

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chuckiechan

Dittohead not!

master political analyst

Mr Person

A Little Bitter

ttwtt78640

Sometimes wrong

Rosie1

Mycroft

Genius is where you find it.

veritas1

Checkerboard Strangler

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chuckiechan

veritas1

Checkerboard Strangler

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eohrnberger

Kal'Stang

The Mark

Sporadic insanity normal.

calamity

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donaldduck20174

ttwtt78640

Sometimes wrong

Vetplus40

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