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Trump says that DACA is dead. Blames Dems.

veritas1 said:
Naturally, you can show how this is true. Letting in people in an orderly way and trying to get more people with identifiable skills is hardly going to be counterproductive. People act like getting immigration under control means we won't have people to pick fruit and the like. That, of course, is a myth. I also find it rather disconcerting to see people more exercised over Trump than over a state willfully and defiantly flouting Federal law in the service of people here illegally and at a great cost to its taxpayers. By all rights, the Feds could arrest Jerry Brown and any other elected officials who openly subvert Federal immigration law. The Constitution reserves control over immigration to the Federal government, period.
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i don't see the subversion you insist is present
a state refusing to participate in a federal enforcement proceeding seems like sound policy
the federal government has the means to enforce federal immigration laws should it choose to apply those resources to do so
 
justabubba said:
i don't see the subversion you insist is present
a state refusing to participate in a federal enforcement proceeding seems like sound policy
the federal government has the means to enforce federal immigration laws should it choose to apply those resources to do so
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Secretly releasing detained illegals in an effort to make sure they escape ICE is not subversion? Of course it is. The very idea of a sanctuary city is a subversion. The states are not required to assist but intentional efforts to hinder are criminal acts.
 
veritas1 said:
Secretly releasing detained illegals in an effort to make sure they escape ICE is not subversion? Of course it is. The very idea of a sanctuary city is a subversion. The states are not required to assist but intentional efforts to hinder are criminal acts.
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Indeed it is, and Obama did that many times. He did more to hurt this country than anyone, except LBJ.

Dems just want illegals here to get votes. It's not fooling anyone. We will stop them, I guarantee it.
 
jnug said:
Kicking 700,000 gainfully employed, fully vetted people out of the country at this point would be sheer madness. The business community would be beyond POed. Trump had two opportunities to get beyond this mess. One that was so obviously there that he had to call in chits in Congress to have it defeated in the Senate leaving Republican Lindsey Graham to comment in frustration "I just don't know where we go from here".

Good job Donald. Keep piling on the cow dung Republicans will have to climb through to get elected in Nov. Just keep piling it on.
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If these people have no documents, all 700,000 of them, how are they gainfully employed?
 
Floridafan said:
These are people who came here as children or babies, who only know this country as their home! They had no say.
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Then what should the punishment be for those responsible for putting those kids in harms way?
 
Mason66 said:
If these people have no documents, all 700,000 of them, how are they gainfully employed?
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Because employers employed them.

We have DACA recipients that have and are serving in the US Military!

The DACA recipients are fully vetted, capable and hard working...hence very attractive to employers including the US government.

Sometimes the stuff posted in this forum is mind boggling.
 
veritas1 said:
Secretly releasing detained illegals in an effort to make sure they escape ICE is not subversion? Of course it is. The very idea of a sanctuary city is a subversion. The states are not required to assist but intentional efforts to hinder are criminal acts.
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why would a state detain someone who is not in violation of state law
of course it should release those who are not violators of the laws the state is responsible for enforcing
states have no obligation to make it easier for the feds to do their jobs
 
Trinnity said:
Indeed it is, and Obama did that many times. He did more to hurt this country than anyone, except LBJ.

Dems just want illegals here to get votes. It's not fooling anyone. We will stop them, I guarantee it.
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[emphasis added by bubba]

please describe what Obama did many times
 
justabubba said:
why would a state detain someone who is not in violation of state law
of course it should release those who are not violators of the laws the state is responsible for enforcing
states have no obligation to make it easier for the feds to do their jobs
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If they've broken no laws, why are they being detained? The very act of being here illegally is a breaking of the law. This hardly needs explanation. The state is under no obligation to help enforce the law but it is a very sad commentary that some not only do not want to help but assist the illegals in avoiding detection and/or deportation. That is criminal. We will only continue to be a sovereign nation if we are a nation that adheres to rule of law. If people don't like the law, they can amend the Constitution. Until then, they are not to assist others in breaking it.
 
jnug said:
Because employers employed them.

We have DACA recipients that have and are serving in the US Military!

The DACA recipients are fully vetted, capable and hard working...hence very attractive to employers including the US government.

Sometimes the stuff posted in this forum is mind boggling.
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Then they had documentation to show either the employer or the military as to who they were.

Was your last line directed at me?
 
Mason66 said:
Then they had documentation to show either the employer or the military as to who they were.

Was your last line directed at me?
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My comment was directed at the degree to which trump appears to have in some cases successfully confused the status of DACA recipients vs so called Dreamers that are not DACA recipients.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
If you found out today that you were technically born in Congo, not the US, would you self-deport yourself to the Congo because rules are rules?
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Please explain how this person would not have known before this?

What documents have they been using up until this point?
 
LunaRose said:
Agreed, however there needs to be immigration reform. There is a reason why there are so many that come over here illegally...It is nearly impossible for a poor person anywhere in the world to come the U.S. legally to make a better life for themselves unless they are refugees. For the vast majority of undocumented immigrants there is no “line” available. As the Immigration Policy Center points out, most undocumented immigrants lack the necessary family relationships or financial means to apply for legal entry, and those who do face years or decades waiting for a visa. For America’s enormous economy, current limitations on the number of total green cards available are unreasonable.
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Why would the US want more poor people?

The only people that the US should admit are the ones that can do something for the US.
 
LunaRose said:
Change the laws until there is a serious discussion and solution with our current outdated immigration policy....
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How is it outdated?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
We were all involuntarily brought here as minors. You don't have choices as a child. And glad you admit that you wouldn't self-deport yourself either if you found out you were technically born in Congo. You don't speak the language, you have no connection to it, the US has been your home your entire life. Even if you wanted to you couldn't because you don't have a passport with the Congo or any paperwork to prove it. Things just aren't as simple as some of you make it out to be. We don't prosecute children for crimes, especially not selectively just for the little brown ones.
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Idk about you, but I was born here.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
And if you found out tomorrow you actually weren't born here, you wouldn't want to leave your home and go to a country you have no memory of or connection to.
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So?...
 
veritas1 said:
If they've broken no laws, why are they being detained?
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that is the same question i asked you
apparently you will not be able to provide an answer to it
hopefully, you now recognize if the state authorities find the detainee has broken no state laws that the detainee should be lawfully and expeditiously released by state authorities
The very act of being here illegally is a breaking of the law. This hardly needs explanation.
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it appears explanation is required so that you become able to distinguish between state laws and those of the federal government
the undocumented alien being present does not violate any state law
thus, there is no violation for state authorities to enforce
The state is under no obligation to help enforce the law
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good. then we are agreed on this very salient point
... but it is a very sad commentary that some not only do not want to help ...
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we were just in agreement that there is no obligation for the state officials to enforce federal laws
i know i do not want my state's officials doing the enforcement work of the federal government. that is what federal taxes are for
... but assist the illegals in avoiding detection and/or deportation. That is criminal.
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sounds like such assistance to aid federal law violators would be criminal. so, now i will ask you for documentation of such aid and assistance being rendered by the state's authorities
We will only continue to be a sovereign nation if we are a nation that adheres to rule of law.
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bull****. every instance i drive on an interstate highway 100% of the vehicles are exceeding the legal speed limit
somehow, our nation's sovereignty has remained intact despite such widespread law-breaking
If people don't like the law, they can amend the Constitution.
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hell, they don't even have to do that. all that is required is enough money to bribe - i mean contribute to the lawmakers' campaign fund - to buy new legislation from many elected officials
now, rights that are in the Constitution or rights that you want to exist and they are now absent can only be effected by amendment. that is much more difficult than buying the legislation you desire
Until then, they are not to assist others in breaking it.
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and now we come full circle to my request above to see evidence of this law-breaking assistance you are convinced is being perpetrated by state authorities. please show evidence of it so that i can join your side in this debate
 
Trinnity said:
Do your own homework.
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i have no idea what you are posting about

and from you reply, it would appear you do not, either

here is post 53. it appears to be yours:
Trinnity said:
Indeed it is, and Obama did that many times. He did more to hurt this country than anyone, except LBJ.

Dems just want illegals here to get votes. It's not fooling anyone. We will stop them, I guarantee it.
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prove me wrong and share with us what Obama did many times, which actions you claim hurt this country
 
justabubba said:
i have no idea what you are posting about

and from you reply, it would appear you do not, either

here is post 53. it appears to be yours:


prove me wrong and share with us what Obama did many times, which actions you claim hurt this country
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He bused refugees all over the country into communities where the locals had no say. You don't remember that?
 
Trinnity said:
He bused refugees all over the country into communities where the locals had no say. You don't remember that?
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looks like some had a say
https://www.cnn.com/2014/07/02/us/california-immigrant-transfers/index.html

ashamed to call them my countrymen

denying safe passage for an estimated 80000 immigrant kids from latin America

turning those kids away would have hurt this nation much more than accepting them and keeping them safe

so, i cannot agree with you on either point

Obama did not place these immigrants in destinations where the residents did not want them [see my cite above]

and Obama did not hurt this nation by providing safe haven for thousands of kids
 
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