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John Bolton: Five things new Trump security adviser believes

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John Bolton: Five things new Trump security adviser believes - BBC News

1. A pre-emptive strike against North Korea is perfectly justified (despite the Chinese having announced that such a strike would start WWIII).

2. Bombing Iran is probably OK, too

3. He's not the biggest fan of the UN

4. The Iraq War wasn't a mistake (Even though the threat of Saddam kept the peace in the region, he was still all for overthrowing him.)

5. Russia needs to be dealt with strongly

On that last point he may be in conflict with Putin-loving Trump.
 
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But if Trump is a Russian puppet as the Left keeps trying to imply, how would #5 even be a consideration for Trump picking Bolton if he knew that Bolton trended that way?

Do you see the folly of the entire Trump_Russia thing?

btw... were you okay with Bill Clinton actually getting paid by Russians and their foundation getting millions from them? Any questions on that or was it okay since they are Democrats?
 
MrMike said:
But if Trump is a Russian puppet as the Left keeps trying to imply, how would #5 even be a consideration for Trump picking Bolton if he knew that Bolton trended that way?

Do you see the folly of the entire Trump_Russia thing?
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I see a lot of duplicity behind the Trump-Putin relationship. One has to wonder exactly what Putin has on Trump because that's the way Trump is acting. He is most likely under Putin's thumb for it is common knowledge that the Russians have been cultivating Trump for years & have very thick & detailed files on him, including audio tapes of his telephone calls back home when he was in Moscow in 2013. Same with his daughter & Kushner - the Trump crime family. Trump dare not step out of line, which is why I see coming conflict on treatment of Russia with Bolton. See
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/15/how-trump-walked-into-putins-web-luke. Bolton may not last long.
 
MrMike said:
But if Trump is a Russian puppet as the Left keeps trying to imply, how would #5 even be a consideration for Trump picking Bolton if he knew that Bolton trended that way?Do you see the folly of the entire Trump_Russia thing? ?
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Bolton wants to go to war with all adversaries, first nuclear strike. Therefore, NO COLLUSION!
That's a ridiculous suggestion.

Trumps OWN PEOPLE THAT CURRENTLY WORK FOR HIM, told him not to congratulate Putin. He did so anyway. Somehow Trump does what he wants, regardless of the people around him, do you not know this?
Congress passed sanctions, Trump sat on them for months.
(and so on).

Clearly there is reason and all evidence that points to what you wrote being irrelevant and absurd to even float.
 
I'll preface by saying, again, that I don't like the hiring.

#1 Could be true or untrue. If we knew beyond any doubt that NK had a deliverable weapon and plans to use it against the US, then a pre-emptive strike would be not only necessary but failing to do it would be a gross act of negligence. As for China, they have a great stake in not having the US blow up N. Korea. It's bad for business when that stuff happens and China is all about continuing its lucrative business with the US. You can bet that China has played a role behind the scenes in getting the Trump-Kim meeting.

#2 Pretty much the same as #1 regarding a weapon but the situation is quite different. Iran has a very young population which enjoys Western music, clothes, movies, etc. They'd be quite happy to lose the mullahs if they could. Encouraging regime change from within is a more practicable plan than any overt military action.

#3 The UN is basically a forum for tin horn dictators and tyrants to attack the West and Israel. It's a horrible waste of US dollars and does little to resolve much of anything. If they want to keep it, fine, but move it somewhere like the Netherlands.

#4 Wrong, wrong, wrong. Iraq was a disaster from any angle.

#5 Yes but what does that entail? As for Russian being in Syria supporting Assad, who cares? We should have learned that taking out guys like Saddam and Khaddafi has been disastrous. Plus, the Russians have helped decimate ISIS. On other issues like election interference, yes, they need to be dealt with. However, Obama was warned of this in 2014 and did zip. He also came out in 2016 before the election and told Trump to "stop whining" as Russia could never influence our elections. Naturally, when Hill went down the whole narrative was reversed. In Ukraine there's only so much we can do, too. There are other Russian efforts to infiltrate our power grid, etc. and they also need to be addressed but that is what we have intelligence agencies for.
 
Mach said:
Bolton wants to go to war with all adversaries, first nuclear strike. Therefore, NO COLLUSION!
That's a ridiculous suggestion.

Trumps OWN PEOPLE THAT CURRENTLY WORK FOR HIM, told him not to congratulate Putin. He did so anyway. Somehow Trump does what he wants, regardless of the people around him, do you not know this?
Congress passed sanctions, Trump sat on them for months.
(and so on).

Clearly there is reason and all evidence that points to what you wrote being irrelevant and absurd to even float.
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Presidents call up foreign leaders all the time after elections. Obama called Putin in 2012 despite evidence of massive vote fraud. Did that make Obama a Putin puppet?

I'm also interested in seeing the spin put on it when Mueller announces no evidence of collusion. I guess that will be the signal to go after him as part of the "conspiracy".
 
JacksinPA said:
John Bolton: Five things new Trump security adviser believes - BBC News

1. A pre-emptive strike against North Korea is perfectly justified (despite the Chinese having announced that such a strike would start WWIII).

2. Bombing Iran is probably OK, too

3. He's not the biggest fan of the UN

4. The Iraq War wasn't a mistake (Even though the threat of Saddam kept the peace in the region, he was still all for overthrowing him.)

5. Russia needs to be dealt with strongly

On that last point he may be in conflict with Putin-loving Trump.
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One more thing that Bolton believes: that Israel deserves the support of all other civilised nations.
 
JacksinPA said:
I see a lot of duplicity behind the Trump-Putin relationship. One has to wonder exactly what Putin has on Trump because that's the way Trump is acting. He is most likely under Putin's thumb for it is common knowledge that the Russians have been cultivating Trump for years & have very thick & detailed files on him, including audio tapes of his telephone calls back home when he was in Moscow in 2013. Same with his daughter & Kushner - the Trump crime family. Trump dare not step out of line, which is why I see coming conflict on treatment of Russia with Bolton. See
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/15/how-trump-walked-into-putins-web-luke. Bolton may not last long.
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Why on earth would the Russians have been cultivating Trump? Nobody ever gave Trump the remotest chance of getting nominated much less elected POTUS, least of all the Russians. That's all a pile of nonsense being put out by Brennan and other Trump haters. BTW, the Clintons came out of the sticks in Arkansas with nothing, only ever worked in government, and now have $150 million. Talk about a crime family.
 
Sweden said:
One more thing that Bolton believes: that Israel deserves the support of all other civilised nations.
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Yup, even if it winds up displacing the indigenous Palestinians & costing them their homeland.
 
MrMike said:
But if Trump is a Russian puppet as the Left keeps trying to imply, how would #5 even be a consideration for Trump picking Bolton if he knew that Bolton trended that way?

Do you see the folly of the entire Trump_Russia thing?

btw... were you okay with Bill Clinton actually getting paid by Russians and their foundation getting millions from them? Any questions on that or was it okay since they are Democrats?
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Good job! What an effort!

"Whatabout Clinton" in the second post. Fantastic! :monkey
 
veritas1 said:
Why on earth would the Russians have been cultivating Trump? Nobody ever gave Trump the remotest chance of getting nominated much less elected POTUS, least of all the Russians. That's all a pile of nonsense being put out by Brennan and other Trump haters. BTW, the Clintons came out of the sticks in Arkansas with nothing, only ever worked in government, and now have $150 million. Talk about a crime family.
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Why don't you call the Kremlin & ask them?

Trump has had presidential aspirations since at least 1999 & the Russians knew it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2000

Putin is old-line Soviet KGB & he is reading from their classic Cold War playbook: destabilize adversary nations (read USA) by all means possible. And he got what he wanted with Trump, didn't he? Putin is in the Kremlin right now laughing his a** off at the state of our country.

The Russian intelligence services are well known for their keeping detailed files on high-rolling foreigners having business in Russia. They have more than enough on Trump & his crime family to blackmail him into being Putin's puppy.
 
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veritas1 said:
Presidents call up foreign leaders all the time after elections. Obama called Putin in 2012 despite evidence of massive vote fraud. Did that make Obama a Putin puppet?
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What does "but Obama" have to do with my presentation of the evidence that Trump doesn't do what his underlings want? If you cannot refute that, don't bother with "but Obama" nonsense.

I'm also interested in seeing the spin put on it when Mueller announces no evidence of collusion. I guess that will be the signal to go after him as part of the "conspiracy".
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Also, potatoes.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Good job! What an effort!
"Whatabout Clinton" in the second post. Fantastic! :monkey
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Yeah, and the defense of it by vertias above, sees that "but Clinton", and raises it a "but Obama". It's glorious.
 
JacksinPA said:
Yup, even if it winds up displacing the indigenous Palestinians & costing them their homeland.
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4 million Palestinians live in Israel. Some are even in the Knesset. Israel has made their former desert an oasis. They should be happy.
 
JacksinPA said:
I see a lot of duplicity behind the Trump-Putin relationship. One has to wonder exactly what Putin has on Trump because that's the way Trump is acting. He is most likely under Putin's thumb for it is common knowledge that the Russians have been cultivating Trump for years & have very thick & detailed files on him, including audio tapes of his telephone calls back home when he was in Moscow in 2013. Same with his daughter & Kushner - the Trump crime family. Trump dare not step out of line, which is why I see coming conflict on treatment of Russia with Bolton. See
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/15/how-trump-walked-into-putins-web-luke. Bolton may not last long.
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Oh lordy...
 
Mach said:
What does "but Obama" have to do with my presentation of the evidence that Trump doesn't do what his underlings want? If you cannot refute that, don't bother with "but Obama" nonsense.


Also, potatoes.
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Since when is Trump required to do what his underlings want? That's a goofy statement.
 
Mach said:
Yeah, and the defense of it by vertias above, sees that "but Clinton", and raises it a "but Obama". It's glorious.
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So Russian cash to the Clinton's was no problem for the Left?

Interesting... (hypocrisy at its best!)
 
Mach said:
Yeah, and the defense of it by vertias above, sees that "but Clinton", and raises it a "but Obama". It's glorious.
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Somebody has to point out that you guys have nothing. All the "clues" you use to conclude that Trump is somehow compromised can also be applied to Obama and Clinton.
 
Mach said:
Yeah, and the defense of it by vertias above, sees that "but Clinton", and raises it a "but Obama". It's glorious.
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Obama & Clinton are not in the OP of this thread.
 
MrMike said:
But if Trump is a Russian puppet as the Left keeps trying to imply, how would #5 even be a consideration for Trump picking Bolton if he knew that Bolton trended that way?
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Where is Trump going to find someone who is pro-Russia? Do you know anyone who is pro-Russia and pro-Putin? Trump is the only one who defends Putin. But you're so busy defending Team Republican that you ignore a dangerous red flag like Trump's support of Putin.
 
MrMike said:
But if Trump is a Russian puppet as the Left keeps trying to imply, how would #5 even be a consideration for Trump picking Bolton if he knew that Bolton trended that way?

Do you see the folly of the entire Trump_Russia thing?

btw... were you okay with Bill Clinton actually getting paid by Russians and their foundation getting millions from them? Any questions on that or was it okay since they are Democrats?
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Not to mention Obama/Hillary turning over a good percentage of our U.S. uranium to Putin (all those millions to the Clinton Foundation and Bill's very nice speaking fee happened about that same time). . .
Black Lives Matter, darling of the left, receiving Russian money to create chaos and unrest here. . .
Obama telephoning Putin to congratulate him after Putin won his 2012 election. . .
And the DNC and Hillary's campaign paying millions for a mostly phony Russian dossier supposedly providing information from the Russians to hurt Trump. . .
Obama not imposing any sanctions on Russia until after Trump was elected. . .
Trump, supposedly the Putin lover, has helped the Ukranians to defend themselves against Russia which Obama refused to do and has imposed sanctions on Russia since then too. . .

Almost none of that generated but a minute more or less in the MSM that spends hours, days, weeks on Trump's non existent Russian collusion, Trump telephoned Putin, Trump slept with Stormy Daniels etc.
 
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AlbqOwl said:
Not to mention Obama/Hillary turning over a good percentage of our U.S. uranium to Putin (all those millions to the Clinton Foundation and Bill's very nice speaking fee happened about that same time). . .
Black Lives Matter, darling of the left, receiving Russian money to create chaos and unrest here. . .
Obama telephoning Putin to congratulate him after Putin won his 2012 election. . .
And the DNC and Hillary's campaign paying millions for a mostly phony Russian dossier supposedly providing information from the Russians to hurt Trump. . .

Almost none of that generated but a minute more or less in the MSM that spends hours, days, weeks on Trump's non existent Russian collusion, Trump telephoned Putin, Trump slept with Stormy Daniels etc.
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Liberals just can't seem to discuss the actual RUSSIAN CASH sent the Clinton's way...

weird isn't it?
 
veritas1 said:
Somebody has to point out that you guys have nothing. All the "clues" you use to conclude that Trump is somehow compromised can also be applied to Obama and Clinton.
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Trump was in Moscow in 2013 for the beauty pageant. The only phones he had access to were unsecured & very likely were tapped by the Russian intelligence services. They have it all on tape & neatly transcribed. And they have the same on Jared & Ivanka. Russians historically use blackmail to gain influence over foreigners.
 
MrMike said:
Liberals just can't seem to discuss the actual RUSSIAN CASH sent the Clinton's way...

weird isn't it?
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Why do you conservatives keep trying to change the subject? Trump being blackmailed by Putin has you uncomfortable?
 
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