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How soon will Republicans figure this out?

GDViking

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How soon will Republicans begin to say that if an 18 year old is not mature enough to buy a firearm, then clearly they are not mature enough to vote.

May be their last chance to remain relevant for the next few years.

If they raise the voting age they will disenfranchise more voters than voter ID did.

I am very surprised it has taken this long to take that angle...
 
GDViking said:
How soon will Republicans begin to say that if an 18 year old is not mature enough to buy a firearm, then clearly they are not mature enough to vote.

May be their last chance to remain relevant for the next few years.

If they raise the voting age they will disenfranchise more voters than voter ID did.

I am very surprised it has taken this long to take that angle...
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There is, of course, that pesky matter of amending the constitution involved.
 
GDViking said:
How soon will Republicans begin to say that if an 18 year old is not mature enough to buy a firearm, then clearly they are not mature enough to vote.

May be their last chance to remain relevant for the next few years.

If they raise the voting age they will disenfranchise more voters than voter ID did.

I am very surprised it has taken this long to take that angle...
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I've heard that already, and it's a good point.

I think we ought to tie it to dependence. If you are declared an dependent on your parents taxes/live with them/have their health insurance.... you don't get to vote or buy a gun.

Only when you are 18 and independent do you get to have all these things.
 
GDViking said:
How soon will Republicans begin to say that if an 18 year old is not mature enough to buy a firearm, then clearly they are not mature enough to vote.

May be their last chance to remain relevant for the next few years.
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So according to leftest 18 year old adults are not adult enough to buy firearms because a tiny insignificant fraction of people between 18 to 20 years of age used firearms to commit mass murder. But for some reason those same leftist think 18 to 20 year old adults are adult enough to help decide the fate of our country and possibly the entire world, which could result in the death of a couple hundred thousand people and cause lots of additional harm?



If they raise the voting age they will disenfranchise more voters than voter ID did.

I am very surprised it has taken this long to take that angle...
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The only people disenfranchised by voter id laws are the dead and illegal aliens. IDs don't cost much money and surely if costs were an issue then charitable organizations could be set up to help those who can't afford an ID get an ID. If voter ID laws were enacted and enforced the day before an election then sure one could honestly argue that those disenfranchise legitimate voters. However voter ID laws once signed into law usually take weeks, months or even a year before they are implemented.
 
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jamesrage said:
So according to leftest 18 year old adults are not adult enough to buy firearms because a tiny insignificant fraction of people between 18 to 20 years of age used firearms to commit mass murder. But for some reason those same leftist think 18 to 20 year old adults are adult enough to help decide the fate of our country and possibly the entire world, which could result in the death of a couple hundred thousand people and cause lots of additional harm?





The only people disenfranchised by voter id laws are the dead and illegal aliens. IDs don't cost much money and surely if costs were an issue then charitable organizations could be set up to help those who can't afford an ID get an ID. If voter ID laws were enacted and enforced the day before an election then sure one could honestly argue that those disenfranchise legitimate voters. However voter ID laws once signed into law usually take weeks, months or even a year before they are implemented.
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The whole idea that undocumented immigrants and dead people vote has been debunked so many times I'm surprised you still can be so disingenuous to even try to float that BS.

The last figure I heard for here in Wisconsin was over 17,000 legitimate voters were unable to vote.

However voter ID was the rights last desperate attempt at retaining power. The may have one more by raising the voter age.

Republicans have made a huge error by energizing women and the youth.
 
celticwar17 said:
I've heard that already, and it's a good point.

I think we ought to tie it to dependence. If you are declared an dependent on your parents taxes/live with them/have their health insurance.... you don't get to vote or buy a gun.

Only when you are 18 and independent do you get to have all these things.
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Do we tie the chance of being drafted (via registration with Selective Service) to whether one is living with one's parents or otherwise "independent?"

As I have stated elsewhere, if one is old enough to be obligated to risk life and limb to protect the rights of others, then one is old enough to exercise ALL of those rights themselves.



(Hmm...even so, what to do with all of those 30+ year-olds still living with their parents? ;) )

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Floridafan said:
An 18 year old, cannot buy tobacco products, or booze.
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IMO they should be for the same reason I mention above. :shrug:

Still, those restrictions, like drug restrictions for all adults, do not infringe on a Constitutionally protected right. (Although some argument might be made that this infringes on the right to pursue happiness stated in the Declaration of Independence. ;) )
 
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GDViking said:
How soon will Republicans begin to say that if an 18 year old is not mature enough to buy a firearm, then clearly they are not mature enough to vote.

May be their last chance to remain relevant for the next few years.

If they raise the voting age they will disenfranchise more voters than voter ID did.



I am very surprised it has taken this long to take that angle...
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An 18 year old, cannot buy tobacco products, or booze.
 
GDViking said:
How soon will Republicans begin to say that if an 18 year old is not mature enough to buy a firearm, then clearly they are not mature enough to vote.

May be their last chance to remain relevant for the next few years.

If they raise the voting age they will disenfranchise more voters than voter ID did.

I am very surprised it has taken this long to take that angle...
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If we can raise the voting age, then we can lower it as well. Say to 65, if you're at retirement age you're done participating anyway. I think thatd be great, I mean we won't be able to fix anything til the boomers die off, this way we don't have to wait for them to die.
 
GDViking said:
How soon will Republicans begin to say that if an 18 year old is not mature enough to buy a firearm, then clearly they are not mature enough to vote.

May be their last chance to remain relevant for the next few years.

If they raise the voting age they will disenfranchise more voters than voter ID did.

I am very surprised it has taken this long to take that angle...
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They wont because they don't accept the premise.
 
GDViking said:
How soon will Republicans begin to say that if an 18 year old is not mature enough to buy a firearm, then clearly they are not mature enough to vote.

May be their last chance to remain relevant for the next few years.

If they raise the voting age they will disenfranchise more voters than voter ID did.

I am very surprised it has taken this long to take that angle...
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Yet it's a liberal push that's driving the age to buy firearms up to 21.
 
A popular conservative pundit and friend of mine made that argument recently.

I reversed it and said people over the age of 65 typically decline pretty rapidly in their emotional and intellectual capacity so perhaps we should put an age cap on driving, voting and buying weapons.

It ended the conversation
 
GDViking said:
The whole idea that undocumented immigrants and dead people vote has been debunked so many times I'm surprised you still can be so disingenuous to even try to float that BS.

The last figure I heard for here in Wisconsin was over 17,000 legitimate voters were unable to vote.

However voter ID was the rights last desperate attempt at retaining power. The may have one more by raising the voter age.

Republicans have made a huge error by energizing women and the youth.
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Since we don't know who is voting in most places, it's impossible to say what the degree of voter fraud is. Anybody can join a political party and get on the voting rolls. Moter voter is another area ripe for fraud. Heck, in Chicago they're designing an ID card (CityKey) that will be accepted as identification to register to vote. The kicker is that any Chicago resident can get one, including illegal aliens. So, not only are they not attempting to stop voter fraud, they are facilitating it. Of course, Democrats are all for illegals voting because they know they'll vote Democrat. It's also why they have no interest in deporting illegals or stopping more from coming here. Since voter ID would limit the vote to US citizens, it would cut into Democrat votes. Hence, they oppose it. Winning elections is more important than enforcing the law. Sad but true.
 
GDViking said:
How soon will Republicans begin to say that if an 18 year old is not mature enough to buy a firearm, then clearly they are not mature enough to vote.

May be their last chance to remain relevant for the next few years.

If they raise the voting age they will disenfranchise more voters than voter ID did.

I am very surprised it has taken this long to take that angle...
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When you think about it maturity should not be tied to age. There are folks on this board who are clearly over thirty and display the maturity level of a pre-teen. Some are closer to 65 than 18 and act like kids.
 
AustralianuS said:
When you think about it maturity should not be tied to age. There are folks on this board who are clearly over thirty and display the maturity level of a pre-teen. Some are closer to 65 than 18 and act like kids.
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You certainly are knowledgeable for a newcomer.
 
The argument always was, if they are old enough to go into the military and die for the US, then they should be able to vote.
 
Rosie1 said:
The argument always was, if they are old enough to go into the military and die for the US, then they should be able to vote.
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But not drink or buy a gun...
 
GDViking said:
The whole idea that undocumented immigrants and dead people vote has been debunked so many times I'm surprised you still can be so disingenuous to even try to float that BS.

The last figure I heard for here in Wisconsin was over 17,000 legitimate voters were unable to vote.

However voter ID was the rights last desperate attempt at retaining power. The may have one more by raising the voter age.

Republicans have made a huge error by energizing women and the youth.
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Considering the fact that polling places don't ask for ID then there is no way of knowing who actually voted.So no it hasn't been debunked. There is no way of knowing if GDViking was the one who voted or if it was someone else claiming to be you who actually voted.


If those alleged 17,000 legitimate voters were unable to vote it was because they refused to get a state issued ID or refused to show their state issued ID at a polling place. In most states in order to obtain an ID one must show their social security card and birth certificate.
 
With all due respect because it is a discussion board...so we discuss....but the voting age is not going anywhere. Its not going up and its not going down. Knock your minds out...but its not going anywhere.
 
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