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Fox News' ratings versus CNN's

Yes_Minister said:
By this logic the Transformers films are great movies because they made a ton of money at the box office. Just because something is popular, does not make it good.
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I'm not addressing the quality of the content. The issue I'm addressing concerns the political mood of the public and how accurately cable news programming, by virtue of the popularity of a network perceived as being "liberal" or "conservative," reflects that.
 
sangha said:
Pfffft!

Broadcast TV gets more than 25 times as many viewers

Fox is a big fish in a very small pond

Evening News Ratings: Week of Feb. 5 | TVNewser
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And yet compared to independent internet media all MSM are about where the VCR was in about 2004, "still widely used but dying quick." Which is why Trump is president and will be reelected, and Leftist Ideology is being flushed down the toilet.
 
Casca XV said:
And yet compared to independent internet media all MSM are about where the VCR was in about 2004, "still widely used but dying quick." Which is why Trump is president and will be reelected, and Leftist Ideology is being flushed down the toilet.
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Using ratings to determine the popularity of a politician is stupid. Especially when he received less votes than his opponent and has historically low approval ratings.

Trump is president because of the electoral college. Both he and right wing ideas are being tossed into the dustbins of history
 
Moot said:
Conservatives only have FoxNews...but the Left has MSNBC and CNN. So when we add MSNBC and CNN viewership together it beats FoxNews viewership everytime.
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Okay, that's a good point, but let me point out a couple of things. When I was growing up in the 1960s-'70s, news anchors such as Walter Cronkite, David Brinkley, Harry Reasoner. and Howard K. Smith, to name a few, were staples in millions of American households, regardless of the political leanings of the viewers. My dad, for example, was conservative, and yet he would tune into the CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite even though he couldn't stand Dan Rather's news reporting when he was a White House correspondent during the Nixon Administration. I'm not sure when things began to change--perhaps it was during the Watergate era--a subtle shift in mood among conservatives regarding network news coverage began to emerge. Edward R. Murrow's dictum that the news media, "to be persuasive... must be believable; to be believable... must be credible; to be credible... must be truthful," didn't seem to hold much truth any more, and the notion of the "biased liberal media" began to emerge. Increasingly, journalists saw their role as not just reporting the truth and letting the public come to their own conclusions, but about actually molding public opinion in order to shape policy. So when Roger Ailes created Fox News he was handed a gimme with a ready audience. By that time conservatives had already found a home in talk radio, and it's been there ever since, while the most notable liberal attempt at talk radio, Al Franken's Air America, bit the dust. Even Rachel Maddow couldn't save it. In any case, network news broadcast audiences are a fraction of what they used to be.

Also, while Fox tends to garner the lion's share of the conservative cable news audience, there is some fragmentation there as well, with outlets such as Fox Business, The Blaze, One America News, Newsmax TV, Christian Broadcasting Network, etc. absorbing conservative viewers. Lou Dobbs left CNN to join Fox Business, and CNN replaced Dobbs with John King, USA. CNN pulled the plug on the King show after a little more than two years while Dobbs is still cranking out his "America first" message.
 
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sangha said:
Using ratings to determine the popularity of a politician is stupid. Especially when he received less votes than his opponent and has historically low approval ratings.

Trump is president because of the electoral college. Both he and right wing ideas are being tossed into the dustbins of history
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Whos' doing that? I'm looking at a bigger picture, such as a clue as to what will happen in the Midterm elections.
 
Why should we celebrate the number of people who submit to brainwashing?
 
Right wingers tout Fox new's rating like its a good thing. All it does is show you where the real bias lies, and who the real biased people are, Fox viewers. These people only watch fox news, which is why they are so ignorant.

Meanwhile, liberals go to multiple sources of news, we don't just run to the most biased of the bias news.
 
Ahlevah said:
For those who haven't been paying attentions, Fox News is kicking CNN's ass:





2.7 million to 979,000 total viewers! Ouch! :doh Notice how Adweek tries to put a smiley face on the ratings for CNN: "CNN IS A TOP 10 CABLE NETWORK, but---Psst!--the network's ratings are down 18% from 2017." :shock: They just can't hide the fact that Don really is a lemon. :lol: Notice that Fox trounced CNN in the younger demographic. What happened? I thought all of the Generation Y and Xers were supposed to be absorbed by the leftist Borg onslaught by now such that the only conservatives left would be WASPY old farts on their last legs clinging to their NRA hats and Duck Dynasty reruns. I realize that not everyone watches cable news, but this is a pretty good cross section of the public and bad news for Democrats.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/20/business/media/fox-news-analyst-ralph-peters.html

About 35 to 40% of the voting population still support trump and they will always watch Fox News as they want to hear the "news" that agrees with their opinions. So why are yu surprised with those numbers. Those people think all other stations give you "fake news", not knowing that they are watching the station that is totally fake news, as one of their anchors who just quite said so. See article above for a link.
 
Ahlevah said:
For those who haven't been paying attentions, Fox News is kicking CNN's ass:





2.7 million to 979,000 total viewers! Ouch! :doh Notice how Adweek tries to put a smiley face on the ratings for CNN: "CNN IS A TOP 10 CABLE NETWORK, but---Psst!--the network's ratings are down 18% from 2017." :shock: They just can't hide the fact that Don really is a lemon. :lol: Notice that Fox trounced CNN in the younger demographic. What happened? I thought all of the Generation Y and Xers were supposed to be absorbed by the leftist Borg onslaught by now such that the only conservatives left would be WASPY old farts on their last legs clinging to their NRA hats and Duck Dynasty reruns. I realize that not everyone watches cable news, but this is a pretty good cross section of the public and bad news for Democrats.
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You're bragging that Conservatives rather be lied to and are more easily fooled than Libs and Moderates?

Not really something someone should be proud of.
 
Ahlevah said:
Okay, that's a good point, but let me point out a couple of things. When I was growing up in the 1960s-'70s, news anchors such as Walter Cronkite, David Brinkley, Harry Reasoner. and Howard K. Smith, to name a few, were staples in millions of American households, regardless of the political leanings of the viewers. My dad, for example, was conservative, and yet he would tune into the CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite even though he couldn't stand Dan Rather's news reporting when he was a White House correspondent during the Nixon Administration. I'm not sure when things began to change--perhaps it was during the Watergate era--a subtle shift in mood among conservatives regarding network news coverage began to emerge. Edward R. Murrow's dictum that the news media, "to be persuasive... must be believable; to be believable... must be credible; to be credible... must be truthful," didn't seem to hold much truth any more, and the notion of the "biased liberal media" began to emerge. Increasingly, journalists saw their role as not just reporting the truth and letting the public come to their own conclusions, but about actually molding public opinion in order to shape policy. So when Roger Ailes created Fox News he was handed a gimme with a ready audience. By that time conservatives had already found a home in talk radio, and it's been there ever since, while the most notable liberal attempt at talk radio, Al Franken's Air America, bit the dust. Even Rachel Maddow couldn't save it. In any case, network news broadcast audiences are a fraction of what they used to be.

Also, while Fox tends to garner the lion's share of the conservative cable news audience, there is some fragmentation there as well, with outlets such as Fox Business, The Blaze, One America News, Newsmax TV, Christian Broadcasting Network, etc. absorbing conservative viewers. Lou Dobbs left CNN to join Fox Business, and CNN replaced Dobbs with John King, USA. CNN pulled the plug on the King show after a little more than two years while Dobbs is still cranking out his "America first" message.
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I think I can tell you exactly when the news media began to change....it was 1987 with the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine. That allowed for the likes of Rush Limbaugh and a host of other characters to feed off conservative hate and fear and rise to the top of the proverbial dung heap unrebutted and unopposed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine
 
Ahlevah said:
I'm not addressing the quality of the content. The issue I'm addressing concerns the political mood of the public and how accurately cable news programming, by virtue of the popularity of a network perceived as being "liberal" or "conservative," reflects that.
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Okay, but I question what I am supposed to gleam from Fox News doing better then CNN in ratings.

That does not prove Fox News provides the news coverage. Considering I think cable news is a cesspool, I see no reason why I think any outfit getting the best ratings in that field is a worthy accomplishment.
 
Ahlevah said:
For those who haven't been paying attentions, Fox News is kicking CNN's ass:





2.7 million to 979,000 total viewers! Ouch! :doh Notice how Adweek tries to put a smiley face on the ratings for CNN: "CNN IS A TOP 10 CABLE NETWORK, but---Psst!--the network's ratings are down 18% from 2017." :shock: They just can't hide the fact that Don really is a lemon. :lol: Notice that Fox trounced CNN in the younger demographic. What happened? I thought all of the Generation Y and Xers were supposed to be absorbed by the leftist Borg onslaught by now such that the only conservatives left would be WASPY old farts on their last legs clinging to their NRA hats and Duck Dynasty reruns. I realize that not everyone watches cable news, but this is a pretty good cross section of the public and bad news for Democrats.
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To be fair, CNN is really not a news network, it is a tabloid. It would be more fair to compare it to the National Enquirer.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
You're bragging that Conservatives rather be lied to and are more easily fooled than Libs and Moderates?

Not really something someone should be proud of.
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That's your "truth"? That I'm bragging that conservatives would rather be lied to?
 
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Ahlevah said:
Whos' doing that? I'm looking at a bigger picture, such as a clue as to what will happen in the Midterm elections.
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The poster I was responding to, Casca

But if you think looking at FoxNews ratings is looking at the bigger picture, knock yourself out!:lamo
 
sangha said:
The poster I was responding to, Casca

But if you think looking at FoxNews ratings is looking at the bigger picture, knock yourself out!:lamo
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You know, if Fox News didn't matter, why did it seem to so irritate the Obama Administration? Why do progressives mention it so often and get worked up over it?
 
Moot said:
I think I can tell you exactly when the news media began to change....it was 1987 with the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine. That allowed for the likes of Rush Limbaugh and a host of other characters to feed off conservative hate and fear and rise to the top of the proverbial dung heap unrebutted and unopposed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine
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Try calling in and arguing with Rush and see how quickly you are off the air. He allows no one to get in a word that apposes his stupid comments.
 
jdog said:
To be fair, CNN is really not a news network, it is a tabloid. It would be more fair to compare it to the National Enquirer.
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And Fox News is nothing but a propaganda outlet for the GOP and Trump. Read me post above with a link and you will see that even their own anchors think so.
 
independentusa said:
Try calling in and arguing with Rush and see how quickly you are off the air. He allows no one to get in a word that apposes his stupid comments.
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I'm surprised Trump hasn't tapped him to be Secratary of State. lol
 
washunut said:
Wonder if it is people now find CNN UNWATCHABLE versus FOX adding viewers. I for one watched a bunch of CNN and about zero Fox. I am still close to zero for Fox but instead of CNN I watch sports or business shows.
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The thing I noticed about cnn is how singular topic their content is. You can watch about 1 hr of it and you will know the narrative they are going to be repeating all day. There's really no reason to keep watching them once you got their spin.

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Ahlevah said:
You know, if Fox News didn't matter, why did it seem to so irritate the Obama Administration? Why do progressives mention it so often and get worked up over it?
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Um.. we wouldn't be talking about FoxNews if you didn't start a thread and mention it so often. Why do conservatives get so hysterical over such irrelevant nonsense as FoxNews ratings?

If Foxnews mattered, then why did Obama largely ignore them?
 
Ahlevah said:
That's what an honest network calls the shows hosted by political commentators. But if you're CNN, you call Don Lemon and Anderson Cooper "news anchors." Walter Cronkite they are not.
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Walter Cronkite RETIRED because he understood the meaning of Ailes' "Orchestra Pit" theory.

"And if you need coverage, you attack, and you will get coverage. It's my orchestra pit theory of politics. You have two guys on stage and one guy says, "I have a solution to the Middle East problem," and the other guy falls in the orchestra pit, who do you think is going to be on the evening news." (Roger Ailes)
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You're simply confirming that dangling shiny things in front of people is more important than actually informing them with a reliable, objective fact based presentation.

 
trouble13 said:
The thing I noticed about cnn is how singular topic their content is. You can watch about 1 hr of it and you will know the narrative they are going to be repeating all day. There's really no reason to keep watching them once you got their spin.

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The CNN model is designed for viewers who typically watch about 45 minutes worth.
It's in their reports to the trade mags every time. They describe their demographic pretty accurately. Headline News demographic is typically 18 minutes, except for their long form programming.

The Fox News Channel is a completely different model for a completely different demographic.
 
sangha said:
Using ratings to determine the popularity of a politician is stupid. Especially when he received less votes than his opponent and has historically low approval ratings.

Trump is president because of the electoral college. Both he and right wing ideas are being tossed into the dustbins of history
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Except now a lot of those polls show him higher than Obama was at this same time. Considering how the MSM polls always errors against any GOP he is probably 10% to 15% higher than that.

Hillarie's so called pop vote lead came from massive voter fraud. Even the DNC investigations and the Jill Stein recount showed that.

We had 8 years of Obama pessimism and stagnation. Now we have Trump optimism and prosperity. Americans can clearly see it and compare. American Right wing values come from the Founding Fathers and are what made us the greatest most prosperous nation in all human history.

Left wing values create failures like the USSR and Venezuela.
 
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