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McCain rips Trump's congratulatory call to Putin as an insult to Russian people

Lovebug said:
Of course both hero and draft dodger deserve protection under the same constitution. Now why again did Obama crawl up the Iranians ass?
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By crawling up irans ass do you mean. Stopping their nuclear program in it tracks with a. Equitable deal they all parties were happy with?

Obama should have written book on making deals ( be actually knows how to right).

A deal is not promising things that are unattainable, and unaffordable then taking the profits and run
Trumps ghost written book should have been called the Art Of The Con....
 
GDViking said:
By crawling up irans ass do you mean. Stopping their nuclear program in it tracks with a. Equitable deal they all parties were happy with?

Obama should have written book on making deals ( be actually knows how to right).

A deal is not promising things that are unattainable, and unaffordable then taking the profits and run
Trumps ghost written book should have been called the Art Of The Con....
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Their whataboutism is a clear sympton of their own TDS of which they accuse others.
They refuse to criticize an international hit man using military grade nerve agents, just like their dear leader.

They refuse to acknowledge, let alone address, the complete take-over of the world by Vlad and Xi.
This is especially in the Middle East.
They extensively show support for the USA having a dictatorial strongman like Putin; like Xi; like Erdogan; like Duterte;

These people really are the 'enemy within' ...
 
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Lovebug said:
He desperately grabbed on to what's her name to garner some votes, and then blamed her.
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Rhetorically shooting messengers and ignoring the message is all trumpcons have left ...
 
NIMBY said:
These are the same people who will trash Sen. McCain when he passes away.
I can't imagine just how sick I'll be watching this current sick CinC pay his 'respects' to a real American Hero.

It will be Joe Biden who will bring us together over the soul of his life-long friend John McCain.
We witnessed that recently when Biden comforted Sen. McCain's daughter on live TV ...
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I'm going to make sure I don't look in here after McCain dies. I have already seen posts gloating over his health and imminent death (not from Lovebug or Renae). It will disturb me. Just like when people gloated over Ted Kennedy's death or Dick Cheney's heart attack.
 
jdog said:
McCain should be shot, and then hung, and then buried ass up sticking out of the ground for a bicycle rack, that would be the only useful thing he ever did.
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I'm pretty sure that if you were allowed to do ALL of that to him, you would not have done as much as the North Vietnamese did, after he refused pardon and special favor.
 
Renae said:
I did vote McCain, but not because I had any love or like of the man. I felt he was a piss poor choice but I knew Obama was a disaster in the making, and he was. McCain has always been about McCain, he's not a good conservative.
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His voting record with the Republicans is well over 90%. He never really pitched himself as a conservative - he's a moderate Republican. That's what made him appealing to many people, including me. Not everyone appreciates the religious right going off the rails, and not everyone obsesses about who is in bed with whom or what color our citizens are, etc.

McCain wasn't vilified by the Republicans until he antagonized Trump, who is less conservative than McCain ever was. Unlike Trump, McCain didn't vote for, donate to, and support the Clintons, Schumer, and a host of other Democrats.
 
What this tells me is that Trump did this willingly and purposefully.

Smack dab in the midst of a Russia-collusion investigation, Trump gives America the finger, and drops to his knees to publicly kiss Putin's ass.

It also tells me that his own national security team, fed up with Trumps continuing treason, purposefully leak their impossible-to-miss warning to Trump to the American media.
 
NIMBY said:
Rhetorically shooting messengers and ignoring the message is all trumpcons have left ...
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You should ask them. Congratulating Putin is fanfare and an attempt at diplomacy, imho, nothing more, esp. in face of . McCain criticizing him for doing so is hypocritical.
 
Lovebug said:
You should ask them. Congratulating Putin is fanfare and an attempt at diplomacy, imho, nothing more, esp. in face of . McCain criticizing him for doing so is hypocritical.
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An attempt at diplomacy with the man who we all know now willfully and purposefully interfered in our diplomatic elections is a good thing. It's somewhat concerning that Trump didn't feel the need to bring that up to Putin.

When Obama called Putin in 2012, our relationship with them hadn't deteriorated to where it is today - and I don't think before 2012 we knew what they were doing as it pertained to our elections.

I'm curious how it's hypocritical for McCain to criticize Trump. Was McCain ever President and called Putin to congratulate him on a win and then went on to criticize Trump for doing the exact same thing he did? I don't believe so. So no, it isn't hypocritical. You may disagree with it, but it isn't by definition hypocritical.
 
tres borrachos said:
His voting record with the Republicans is well over 90%. He never really pitched himself as a conservative - he's a moderate Republican. That's what made him appealing to many people, including me. Not everyone appreciates the religious right going off the rails, and not everyone obsesses about who is in bed with whom or what color our citizens are, etc.

McCain wasn't vilified by the Republicans until he antagonized Trump, who is less conservative than McCain ever was. Unlike Trump, McCain didn't vote for, donate to, and support the Clintons, Schumer, and a host of other Democrats.
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At the eleventh hour, when a last-ditch “skinny repeal” bill was up for a vote, he joined Republican Sens. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Susan Collins of Maine against it, and killed the bill. As many have pointed out, McCain cast the final vote that saved the signature legislative achievement of the man who beat him in the 2008 presidential race.

It’s hard to imagine any other staunch conservative voting this way. But in the context of McCain’s history as a statesman, this move is not all that surprising. McCain has a track record of bucking the will of the Republican party, going all the way back to when he was a freshman Congress member in the 1980s.
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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/28/16055906/mccain-bucks-republican-party

Channeling Teddy Roosevelt

McCain is most clearly not "a conservative" on the issue of the appropriate role of the federal government. Here, McCain has taken after Teddy Roosevelt, one of his political heroes. Roosevelt viewed the federal government as the ultimate arbiter in the political economy with a particular role in being a counterweight to accumulations of wealth or power. He didn't much see a need for the authority of the federal government itself to be constrained.

In his 2000 presidential campaign, McCain frequently inveighed against the power of special interests and touted himself as the guy who would get reforms done by counterbalancing their power. McCain-Feingold, of course, was intended directly to reduce the political influence of wealth.

As a legislator, McCain has also not seen natural limits on federal authority. For example, he sees nothing untoward about the federal government telling cable TV companies how they have to bundle and sell their channels. In 2008, this has not been as prominent a feature of McCain's repertoire. However, it's clearly still a part of his political persona and occasionally rises to the surface, such as his recent moral condemnation of big pharmaceutical companies.
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/02/is_john_mccain_a_conservative.html

I could go on, but John McCain is not someone I would ever vote for willingly if given the choice.
 
HowardBThiname said:
This is an interesting one -- Newsweek is reporting (as of yesterday) that Trump did not congratulate Putin.
Trump Has Not Called Putin to Congratulate Him and Is Not Planning to, Says White House

But, of course, others are reporting that he did.

If Trump did congratulate Putin on his win, how do we know he wasn't just following Obama's lead -- Obama called and congratulated Putin in 2012 on his win then.
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Did you not read your link and do you really have no clue whether there is any difference between now and 2012?
 
Renae said:
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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/28/16055906/mccain-bucks-republican-party


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/02/is_john_mccain_a_conservative.html

I could go on, but John McCain is not someone I would ever vote for willingly if given the choice.
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Yes, and lots of Republicans (myself included) didn't support the nonsensical "ACA repeal and reform" plan they put forth, which is why it failed. A majority of Americans didn't support it either.

You weren't given a choice to vote for McCain? I was. He's a good, honorable man, and while I don't agree with everything he's ever done in his many decades in Congress, he's more the kind of Republican most people want than Trump or Santorum or many of the others.

Also, unlike Trump and some of the others, he knows how to work across the aisle - the way Reagan knew, and Gingrich knew. Trump (the lifelong Democrat) can't even work with the people who he campaigned for, donated to, and voted for all those years.
 
tres borrachos said:
An attempt at diplomacy with the man who we all know now willfully and purposefully interfered in our diplomatic elections is a good thing. It's somewhat concerning that Trump didn't feel the need to bring that up to Putin.

When Obama called Putin in 2012, our relationship with them hadn't deteriorated to where it is today - and I don't think before 2012 we knew what they were doing as it pertained to our elections.
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Elections aren't the only thing we are worried about at the moment. The recent developments make me think that diplomacy is wise. Putin isn't some incapable punk. We have the choice to insult him, of course. That would be an option.
I suspect that something is happening behind the scene, while we are keeping a nice front. We, you and me and the rest of us here at DP, don't have more insight into this than what we are allowed to know. I think it is best not to play back seat driver. All we have are guesses and opinions, one worth as much as another.
 
tres borrachos said:
I think sure, she cost him some votes. But I actually believe in the net votes, she gained him more votes that he wouldn't have gotten than she lost him. JMO but I'm confident about that.
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She cost him my vote, I had every intention of voting for McCain until he picked her. At the time I thought Obama would one day make a good president but I felt he was too inexperienced.

As I've said many times I really think I would like Sara Palin personally if I ever met her. I just do not trust her as a politician.

Now in retrospect I'm not sure McCain would have pulled us out of the recession as well as Obama did. B.O. made mistakes but he did enough right to pull us back from the brink.

I could e wrong though McCain may have done the same things Obama did but somehow I believe his advisors would have gone with the same old supply side economics that has proven over and over again to cause recessions not repair them.
 
GDViking said:
She cost him my vote, I had every intention of voting for McCain until he picked her. At the time I thought Obama would one day make a good president but I felt he was too inexperienced.

As I've said many times I really think I would like Sara Palin personally if I ever met her. I just do not trust her as a politician.

Now in retrospect I'm not sure McCain would have pulled us out of the recession as well as Obama did. B.O. made mistakes but he did enough right to pull us back from the brink.

I could e wrong though McCain may have done the same things Obama did but somehow I believe his advisors would have gone with the same old supply side economics that has proven over and over again to cause recessions not repair them.
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I agree with some of this and disagree with some of this.

Funny enough, I was quite taken by Palin in 2008, especially after I met her. 10 years later I look at her as if she's nothing but a caricature. It's a shame.

My husband and uncle both refused to vote for McCain until he selected Palin. They loved her gun stance. I was always going to vote for him because i liked how moderate and non-preachy churchy he is.

I am shocked at how popular it is to denigrate him now. Coincidentally I don't remember so many negative comments about McCain coming from the right until after Trump went after him (remember, Trump doesn't like people who are captured). Interesting, isn't it?
 
GDViking said:
I lean left on many things but if you said that sitting on a bar stool next to me about an honorable war hero things would not go well.
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It is the hallmark of brave and intelligent honorable people to denigrate others they know little to nothing about from behind the anonymity of an internet board.
 
Renae said:
he was a poor candidate that lost because he tried to play nice.
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And in your world nice, intelligent, integrity and competence is for suckers. Probably that is why none can be found in your posts either.
 
NIMBY said:
Some of the worst false equivalency we've ever heard on Debate Politics, completely untruthful.
You obviously are ignoring the detailed and historical account of Sen. McCain going after President Obama.
Why do you do this? Why do you constantly play your 'obtuse' and 'chameleon' cards ???
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Everybody plays at their own speed.
 
tres borrachos said:
Yes, and lots of Republicans (myself included) didn't support the nonsensical "ACA repeal and reform" plan they put forth, which is why it failed. A majority of Americans didn't support it either.

You weren't given a choice to vote for McCain? I was. He's a good, honorable man, and while I don't agree with everything he's ever done in his many decades in Congress, he's more the kind of Republican most people want than Trump or Santorum or many of the others.

Also, unlike Trump and some of the others, he knows how to work across the aisle - the way Reagan knew, and Gingrich knew. Trump (the lifelong Democrat) can't even work with the people who he campaigned for, donated to, and voted for all those years.
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He's a turd, and he's a pissant, look I get it, Trump has some serious failings, I didn't vote for him. I don't know why you're bringing him up, I guess to show "YOU'RE A MAVERICK TOO!" or something, I really don't care.

I really worried about Obama, ergo it was vote McCain or vote Obama, I was so annoyed at that vote I wrote in Ted Cruz rather than pull the lever for Trump. I have zero love for John McCain. Yes, he was a POW, no he wasn't some hero for "refusing early release" (if you want the real skinny on that, I can provide it, but it wasn't the way he portrayed it in his book) and he was a piss poor pilot.

What did McCain have to lose? What, politically speaking, did the Arizona senator known for his “maverick” ways of wheeling and dealing the Democratic cards, stand to lose by standing strong with his leftist friends, as he frequently does?

He’s got brain cancer. He’s not going to be in office much longer. He’s not going to seek re-election.

Now consider that against his potential wins. Fact is, McCain’s vote is no doubt a sigh of relief for him.

He can spend his dying days in open friendship with the Democrats he so loves.

No more hiding in the shadows. No more feigning Republican. No more pretending to support the conservative cause.

For McCain, his moment in the “No Obamacare Repeal” sun was freeing.

Conservatives, of course, have a different take.

For American voters expecting their Republican-dominated House, Senate and White House to honor their years of repeal promises and actually, well, repeal Obamacare, McCain’s thumbs-down was a face-slap moment that will be remembered in history as a textbook classic case of political betrayal. McCain may feel liberated. But his name will go down in conservative history books as a traitor to the cause.
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/28/john-mccain-traitor-conservative-cause/

I have about as much use for him as I do for Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe and a few other RINO's.
 
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