The Truth Hurts at Penn Law

ultmd said:

Either way, it's the kind of ignorant propaganda that we only see promoted by the angry, resentful conservatives.

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Bug ignorant propaganda is at the heart of modern conservatism. They don't like facts or numbers.

VanceMack said:

Things are as bad or worse for a majority of black Americans today than they were during his day. And yes...he was assassinated by that organization, but that does not answer the question. Was Malcolm X racist towards black Americans for suggesting their blind support for the democrat party made them political chumps?


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We had a black president, there are over a dozen black CEO's, multiple black billionaires, and countless blacks in good jobs in companies from Apple to Xerox. In Malcom's time, Blacks were not even allowed to play football in the SEC.

KLATTU said:

Please direct us to where her claim that black students rarely graduate in the top half was factually refuted.Thanks in advance.

( LAFF -won't see him in a while)

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You seem to think talking to yourself is amusing. It's not.

Oh, and the leadership of the university itself already refuted your claim.

ultmd said:

Dood......don't make a clown of yourself. And that's what you do when you debate history with people who know what they are talking about.

In 1960, Nixon got 32% of the black vote.
In 1956, Ike got 39% of the black vote.
In 1952, Ike got 24% of the black vote

And I could go on and on....

In '44, Dewey got crushed by FDR, but he still got 32% of the black vote.
In '40, Henry Wallace got crushed by FDR, but he also got 32% of the black vote.

So the idea that African-Americans have been voting "as a bloc" for Democratic candidates for "80 years"............is (at best) mistaken......or (at worst) malevolence. Either way, it's the kind of ignorant propaganda that we only see promoted by the angry, resentful conservatives.

The simple FACT of the matter is that one thing that caused black voters to almost completely abandon the GOP was the Southern Strategy and other naked appeals to the cultural and racial fears and resentments of white working-class/middle-class voters, following the Civil Rights Movement.

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Its always cute watching people present evidence that proves your point.

Yes...black Americans have been voting as a bloc since the 20s. And You just affirmed it. So I'm not sure what you THINK you are arguing, but its not working. And your ridiculous comment about the 'Southern Strategy' just reaffirms your silliness. They pull your strings...you dance. Embarrassing.

calamity said:

We had a black president, there are over a dozen black CEO's, multiple black billionaires, and countless blacks in good jobs in companies from Apple to Xerox. In Malcom's time, Blacks were not even allowed to play football in the SEC.

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Pretty desperate to avoid answering the question...arent you.

Its OK. We know the answer. You can stop embarrassing yourself.

VanceMack said:

:lamo

Its always cute watching people present evidence that proves your point.

Yes...black Americans have been voting as a bloc since the 20s. And You just affirmed it. So I'm not sure what you THINK you are arguing, but its not working. And your ridiculous comment about the 'Southern Strategy' just reaffirms your silliness. They pull your strings...you dance. Embarrassing.

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Ok, so now it get it.

You're just not very bright.

My mistake. I thought you were just using your ideology as an excuse to play dumb. I didn't realize that you weren't playing.

As I said, the only remaining unanswered question here was whether your argument is that of an honest, but brainwashed right conservative.......or malevolence. And I'm less and less inclined to give the benefit of the doubt toward the former, with each new post from you.

Bottom line here remains unchanged. You are obviously a conservative with a lot of resentment issues about an issue (i.e. race/racism in America) that you don't understand. When people like you bloviate about "the black community", it's impossible to take seriously. It would be better (or, at least more honest) if you just came out and said what is really on your mind. Clealry, you have about as much knowledge and exposure to "the black community" as Trump has to religion.

ultmd said:

Ok, so now it get it.

You're just not very bright.

My mistake. I thought you were just using your ideology as an excuse to play dumb. I didn't realize that you weren't playing.

As I said, the only remaining unanswered question here was whether your argument is that of an honest, but brainwashed right conservative.......or malevolence. And I'm less and less inclined to give the benefit of the doubt toward the former, with each new post from you.

Bottom line here remains unchanged. You are obviously a conservative with a lot of resentment issues about an issue (i.e. race/racism in America) that you don't understand. When people like you bloviate about "the black community", it's impossible to take seriously. It would be better (or, at least more honest) if you just came out and said what is really on your mind. Clealry, you have about as much knowledge and exposure to "the black community" as Trump has to religion.

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No republican candidate since the mid 20s has gained a majority vote...not even close. You have proved that. And when Malcolm X talked about that fact in the 60s his point was as relevant then as now. Blacks vote as a bloc for democrat candidates and all it has led to is the devastation of the black American family. The black American community is ****ed...not because of people like me...but because of people like. And they will go on being ****ed, not because of people like me, but because of people like you. Thats ****ing tragic. But it is what it is.

americanwoman said:

I observe that your interpretation of this event is incorrect and my observation is correct.

https://abovethelaw.com/2018/03/amy...-after-bald-faced-lying-about-black-students/



You might prefer to believe one person's observation but most of us in reality prefer facts.

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She didn't say that none of them graduate at the top of their class.
She said rarely. There is a difference in expression.

So it should be no problem for either her or the dean to support themselves with some actual
Evidence. Should be pretty easy. Post the percentage of black students that graduate in the top
Of the class say over 50 years. I would even except 20 years.

KLATTU said:

As part of a critique of race-based admissions, Professor Wax observed that black students at Penn Law “rarely” graduate in the top half of their class. Her observation is almost certainly correct, but Penn Law dean Ted Ruger declared it false without providing any evidence. (And he has access to the evidence, so his failure to reveal it is telling.) Worse, he forbade Professor Wax from teaching any mandatory first-year courses.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/amy-wax-affirmative-action-debate/

This is what liberal pandering gets you.

Remember the problem * isn't *that black law students at Penn underperform, it's that some white person pointed out that basic fact.

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why no suggestion for a thesis or dissertation as to the underlying causes?

KLATTU said:

LAFF.
The lengths you people will go to to pander for that vote.

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Apparently how law school works is one of the many things in the knowledge base that are too beneath you to learn.

VanceMack said:

No republican candidate since the mid 20s has gained a majority vote...not even close. You have proved that.

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This is a dodge. This is just deflection, and you know it. You claimed that African-Americans have "voted as a bloc" for Democrats for the last 80 years. That's a lie. When 30-39% of the black vote BEFORE the passage of Civil Rights legislation in the mid-60's consistently voted for the GOP, only an idiot would continue to call that "voting as a bloc". The simple FACT of history is that African-Americans began to overwhelmingly support one political party at the EXACT moment in American History when the OTHER party began to uniformly court the angry, resentful white conservative vote in this country. Before the 60's, both parties were ideologically mixed on social policy issues, based upon regions. In the South, republicans were socially liberal and democrats were socially conservative. In the north, the opposite was true. After LBJ passed the Civil Rights bills, Nixon's (and Reagan's) Southern Strategy effectively consolidated the white conservative vote across the country.

So....What I previously "proved" was that over most of the 80 year period that you mentioned, the black vote in this country has been contested, with between 30-39% consistently supporting the GOP in presidential elections. And, the reality is that were it not for Jim Crow laws in the South which legalized and institutionalized black-voter suppression, support for the GOP in presidential elections (which was the still party of choice among many African-Americans in southern states until the mid-60's) would have been much greater. The fact that millions of African-American voters throughout the South were prevented from voting for generations after Reconstruction, cannot be ignored in this question. And your ignorance of history is apparent.

And when Malcolm X talked about that fact in the 60s his point was as relevant then as now.

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Again, your ignorance of history absolutely cripples your arguments. If you had ANY idea what he was saying.....and when he said it.....you'd understand that in FACT, Malcolm gave that speech BEFORE the Civil Rights bill was passed, because he didn't believe that LBJ would follow through on his pledge to do it. But, LBJ did what he promised..........and then followed that up by passing the Voting Rights bill just a year later. So Malcolm was wrong. And, to his credit, he admitted it (even as he still opposed supporting, or working with, either political party at that time).

Now, I do realize that I'm arguing with someone who is ignorant of all but the most basic facts of this history.........but it would be nice if someone as wholly ignorant as you just stopped talking. Clearly, you're in over your head on this subject.

Blacks vote as a bloc for democrat candidates and all it has led to is the devastation of the black American family.

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:lamo You're just a empty-vessel. Everything you say sounds like talk-radio/FoxNews nonsense. Let's take a look at those "80 years" you were talking about, shall we? Can you give some concrete examples (not arbitrary opinions and right wing talking points) of what Democrats have done to "devastate the black family"? And can you give me examples of what Republicans have done to benefit "the black family" during that time frame?

The black American community is ****ed...not because of people like me...but because of people like. And they will go on being ****ed, not because of people like me, but because of people like you. Thats ****ing tragic. But it is what it is.

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Well, that's funny. Because, since I happen to be an African-American professional..........and since I happen to KNOW a thing or two about "the black family".........I find it odd that someone like you (who is about as qualified to speak about "the black family" as my dog) would say such a thing. No, what is "***ing tragic" is the sense of entitlement that ignorant, angry conservatives display, and the irrational fear that many of you exhibit about the diversification of the country. People like you NEED to point your fingers at other groups. It makes you feel better, I suppose. But my suggestion is that people like you spend a little more time working on some of the things that ail the "white family", instead.