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McCabe Fires Back

There are undeniable facts. It is a fact that the DNC went through an intermediary to mask their involvement, then through another agency, then through a foreign agent, and finally to several Russian agents to fabricate dirt on the Trump campaign to be used during an election. Thats fact and there is no way to spin it. Its also a fact that members of the FBI were married to people involved in creating the fabricated bull**** 'evidence'. Its also a fact that the 'evidence' was wrongly presented to a FISA judge for a warrant to unmask the identity of American citizens. Thats corrupt as ****...but no less a fact. Its also a fact that the FBI gave unmasked data to many members of the DNC and Clinton campaign as well as the Obama administration. Its fact that the FBI began investigations all based of what they knew were fabricated lies. Its fact that senior members of the FBI leaked classified and confidential data specifically designed to cause political harm to the press.

None of that is speculation. It is all known fact. And thats just the part of the iceberg that we can see.

Those facts are clearly in evidence. The spin all revolves around the fact that Trump is not an admirable character in many respects. Well, duh. If anybody didn't know that a long time ago, they probably aren't aware of much anyway. Trump's character has nothing to do with the issues surrounding this mess. McCabe likely should've been fired months ago.
 
So then how do you know specifically what McCabe did? Your post seemed to indicate your mind was made up.

I think we have it from his own lips, Comey lectured all of us as to the purity of the FBI political hacks, telling us the FBI "never" comments on investigations "not even to correct false information" created by the fake media. This was after he made lots of comments the the fake Hillary investigation. Then Comey leaked to the New York Times by handing confidential information over to a third party to leak for him.

Not to be outdone, "Peter Stroker" boss, McCabe, called his leak outlets in the fake media to "correct" stuff that they were slinging ---- WTF I thought the FBI never leaked to the press.

These bozos cant keep their BS straight can they?

 
So then how do you know specifically what McCabe did? Your post seemed to indicate your mind was made up.

I believe I already said that I'll wait for the IG report for specifics. You ignored that. Here's Sessions statement, in part, regarding the McCabe firing.

"...The FBI’s OPR then reviewed the report and underlying documents and issued a disciplinary proposal recommending the dismissal of Mr. McCabe. Both the OIG and FBI OPR reports concluded that Mr. McCabe had made an unauthorized disclosure to the news media and lacked candor − including under oath − on multiple occasions.
The FBI expects every employee to adhere to the highest standards of honesty, integrity, and accountability. As the OPR proposal stated, ‘all FBI employees know that lacking candor under oath results in dismissal and that our integrity is our brand.’
Pursuant to Department Order 1202, and based on the report of the Inspector General, the findings of the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility, and the recommendation of the Department’s senior career official, I have terminated the employment of Andrew McCabe effective immediately.”

The above does not require that you believe Sessions, but it does require that you believe the IG and the FBI's OPR. If you don't believe any of them, you should just say so.
 
I believe I already said that I'll wait for the IG report for specifics. You ignored that. Here's Sessions statement, in part, regarding the McCabe firing.

"...The FBI’s OPR then reviewed the report and underlying documents and issued a disciplinary proposal recommending the dismissal of Mr. McCabe. Both the OIG and FBI OPR reports concluded that Mr. McCabe had made an unauthorized disclosure to the news media and lacked candor − including under oath − on multiple occasions.
The FBI expects every employee to adhere to the highest standards of honesty, integrity, and accountability. As the OPR proposal stated, ‘all FBI employees know that lacking candor under oath results in dismissal and that our integrity is our brand.’
Pursuant to Department Order 1202, and based on the report of the Inspector General, the findings of the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility, and the recommendation of the Department’s senior career official, I have terminated the employment of Andrew McCabe effective immediately.”

The above does not require that you believe Sessions, but it does require that you believe the IG and the FBI's OPR. If you don't believe any of them, you should just say so.

So when you said this:

Those facts are clearly in evidence. The spin all revolves around the fact that Trump is not an admirable character in many respects. Well, duh. If anybody didn't know that a long time ago, they probably aren't aware of much anyway. Trump's character has nothing to do with the issues surrounding this mess. McCabe likely should've been fired months ago.

you didn't really mean it because you're "waiting for the specifics" to decide what he did, if he should have been fired for it, how bad his transgressions were, etc. But in spite of that, you think he should have been fired months ago.

Interesting contradiction there.
 
It hasn't been released yet, as you know. A draft report has been given to McCabe and his counsel, and naturally others are aware of the content of the report. Wray saw the draft, as you might remember, which prompted McCabe's departure from the FBI the very day Wray viewed it. You may view that sequence of events as coincidental if you prefer. McCabe has also inadvertently implicated Comey in this mess by admitting he did in fact leak information to the media with Comey's blessing. I'll wait to cross the "t's" and dot the "i's" after the final report is published.

Professor Jonathon Turley was the first to point out McCabe's comments just made life tougher for Comey and Mueller.
McCabe just made life tough for Comey and the special counsel | TheHill

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So when you said this:



you didn't really mean it because you're "waiting for the specifics" to decide what he did, if he should have been fired for it, how bad his transgressions were, etc. But in spite of that, you think he should have been fired months ago.

Interesting contradiction there.

No contradiction at all. I don't need to know the caliber of the bullet fired into a person to determine that the person is dead from a gun shot. As I said, if you don't believe the IG and the FBI's OPR regarding events that took place months ago, you should just admit it. It's clear that McCabe lied under oath. That's what is at the center of this. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it untrue.
 
No contradiction at all. I don't need to know the caliber of the bullet fired into a person to determine that the person is dead from a gun shot. As I said, if you don't believe the IG and the FBI's OPR regarding events that took place months ago, you should just admit it. It's clear that McCabe lied under oath. That's what is at the center of this. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it untrue.

So you admit you have no facts or information, but you've decided he should have been fired months ago in spite of that.
 
So you admit you have no facts or information, but you've decided he should have been fired months ago in spite of that.

You are aware that the events in question happened months ago, and I already provided a factual statement released by Sessions. You should perhaps try reading some of it rather than questioning me. I didn't release any press statements. I'm repeating those statements that have been released for your edification. You might remember that upon learning of McCabe's actions some months ago, Goudy said he'd be surprised if McCabe had a job the following Monday. The distance, time-wise, between what McCabe did and his eventual firing has nothing to do with the fact that he committed an offense worthy of termination.
 
So then how do you know specifically what McCabe did? Your post seemed to indicate your mind was made up.
:Lamo

Holy ****....

If that isnt the most laughable ironic comment of 2018, I dont know what is.

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:lamo

Today, at 8:16AM, 6,738,972 irony meters spontaneously exploded. There were no survivors.
 
I read that earlier today, and it certainly looks as if Turley has noticed something significant. The credibility of key players here is being diminished by the day and it appears that there are some flies on Comey, too.

When the news broke on Friday of McCabe being fired, reporters were saying "sources" are saying this is just the tip of the iceberg referring to IG Horowitz's report of what is to come.
 
You are aware that the events in question happened months ago, and I already provided a factual statement released by Sessions. You should perhaps try reading some of it rather than questioning me. I didn't release any press statements. I'm repeating those statements that have been released for your edification. You might remember that upon learning of McCabe's actions some months ago, Goudy said he'd be surprised if McCabe had a job the following Monday. The distance, time-wise, between what McCabe did and his eventual firing has nothing to do with the fact that he committed an offense worthy of termination.

I'm not aware of the contents of the report and investigation. By your own admission, neither are you. Yet you say he should have been fired months ago. Are you in the habit of deciding people should be fired without having any idea why they should be fired?
 
I'm not aware of the contents of the report and investigation. By your own admission, neither are you. Yet you say he should have been fired months ago. Are you in the habit of deciding people should be fired without having any idea why they should be fired?

Some of the content has been made public. If you haven't read that, it's not my fault. Maybe you should read some of this stuff before you get all worked up about comments of others who have read them. I offered you the statement by Sessions, which is a very public acknowledgement of the finding based on the content of the IG report. As I said, if you don't believe the facts supporting his statement, just say so. Exactly why do you think Wray dismissed McCabe - ordered him to vacate his office the very same day Wray read the draft report from the IG? Any ideas, or are you going to continue to be stubbornly obtuse?
 
Some of the content has been made public. If you haven't read that, it's not my fault. Maybe you should read some of this stuff before you get all worked up about comments of others who have read them. I offered you the statement by Sessions, which is a very public acknowledgement of the finding based on the content of the IG report. As I said, if you don't believe the facts supporting his statement, just say so. Exactly why do you think Wray dismissed McCabe - ordered him to vacate his office the very same day Wray read the draft report from the IG? Any ideas, or are you going to continue to be stubbornly obtuse?

So then you lied when you said you were waiting for the full report to opine?

Sorry, Sessions is partisan. Just like everyone claims McCabe is, and Comey is, and so forth. I've yet to read anything or hear anything put out by someone who I know is non-partisan. And I've yet to read a single fact. Same as you.

I prefer to wait for information before going down the partisan path of "fire him!".
 
I'm not aware of the contents of the report and investigation. By your own admission, neither are you. Yet you say he should have been fired months ago. Are you in the habit of deciding people should be fired without having any idea why they should be fired?

It is quite comforting for me these days to say the words 'President Pence'!
I witnessed this exact time-line play out 44 years ago when I was in College.
But this time, we have an 11.0 on the political Richter scale compared to Nixon's 5.5.
Who among us would not take Kissinger and Nixon on foreign policy in a heartbeat with all of the World's 'hot spots'!

I'll continue to say that our greatest challenge is Administration Overlap,
something which our dictatorial enemies don't have to overcome.

Two GOP Senators I now look to are Sasse of Nebraska and Thune of South Dakota,
both states ground zero of 'real and genuine' populism.
Both are very measured in their presentation, like Rep. Gowdy, another niche of the NEW and evolving GOP.

Think of your GOP in the future as the 'Great Opportunity Party'.
Look at the moderate and 'common-sense' niches of the new and emerging GOP
in the regions of the USA I have previously pointed out ...
 
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It is quite comforting for me these days to say the words 'President Pence'!
I witnessed this exact time-line play out 44 years ago when I was in College.
But this time, we have an 11.0 on the political Richter scale compared to Nixon's 5.5.
Who among us would not take Kissinger and Nixon on foreign policy in a heartbeat with all of the World's 'hot spots'!

I'll continue to say that our greatest challenge is Administration Overlap,
something which our dictatorial enemies don't have to overcome.

Two GOP Senators I now look to are Sasse of Nebraska and Thune of South Dakota, ground zero of 'real and genuine' populism.
Both are very measured in their presentation, like Rep. Gowdy, another niche of the NEW and evolving GOP.
Think of your GOP in the future as the 'Great Opportunity Party'.
Look at the moderate and 'common-sense' niches of the new and emerging GOP in the regions of the USA I have previously pointed out ...

John Thune was who I wanted McCain to pick as his VP nominee. I've been a fan of his for a long time. He's one of the few in the GOP who isn't giving me a heart attack with his bad behavior lately.
 
John Thune was who I wanted McCain to pick as his VP nominee. I've been a fan of his for a long time. He's one of the few in the GOP who isn't giving me a heart attack with his bad behavior lately.

The GOP I loved growing up was the party of Lincoln, TR and IKE. We will get back there.
I was the guy who voted for Sen. Percy three times, including against future Sen. Simon in 1984, when Percy lost.
Two great candidates. I live near the epicenter of the Lincoln/Douglas debates.

Sen. Thune as #3 will be the future of the GOP in the Senate, but I must say I like Sen. Sasse more.
Sasse was supported by the TEA-party when he beat a very good GOP in Osborn in the 2014 primary.
Since then, Sasse has become a voice of reason from the heartland of America.

We were in Iowa this past weekend, where my family farmers-in-law are worried about the retribution coming from the tariffs. They're also worried about Big Oil Cruz's war on ethanol products.
I see us beginning to enter a new era of regional politics taking over from the ideologues ...
 
So then you lied when you said you were waiting for the full report to opine?

Sorry, Sessions is partisan. Just like everyone claims McCabe is, and Comey is, and so forth. I've yet to read anything or hear anything put out by someone who I know is non-partisan. And I've yet to read a single fact. Same as you.

I prefer to wait for information before going down the partisan path of "fire him!".

Sessions made his statement based on the IG and the FBI OPR, so you must believe they are partisan as well. Lying under oath is a fire-able offense in the FBI. The IG and the FBI OPR have determined McCabe did, in fact, lie under oath, hence his termination. If you can't accept that, based on very, very public statements declaring that very thing, then you're the partisan problem here, and not the IG or the FBI OPR. If you believe the FBI and the IG are partisan, then you've just created grounds to dismiss anything they might have against Trump.
 
Sessions made his statement based on the IG and the FBI OPR, so you must believe they are partisan as well. Lying under oath is a fire-able offense in the FBI. The IG and the FBI OPR have determined McCabe did, in fact, lie under oath, hence his termination. If you can't accept that, based on very, very public statements declaring that very thing, then you're the partisan problem here, and not the IG or the FBI OPR. If you believe the FBI and the IG are partisan, then you've just created grounds to dismiss anything they might have against Trump.

You don't think they're partisan? I thought that was an argument we all made last year when the FBI decided not to pursue any actions against Hillary Clinton. Now they aren't?
 
You don't think they're partisan? I thought that was an argument we all made last year when the FBI decided not to pursue any actions against Hillary Clinton. Now they aren't?

The DFBI is a political appointee, and certainly can be partisan. We all would like to believe the FBI is not a partisan institution, but that doesn't mean the Director can't be, but it also doesn't mean the Director necessarily is. The IG and the FBI OPR are not partisan. Sessions would be out of his political mind to fire McCabe without clearly demonstrable cause. He would not survive the political onslaught.

If you'll remember, Wray threatened to resign if McCabe was terminated without clear cause shortly after accepting his position as Director. That's hardly a partisan action.
 
The DFBI is a political appointee, and certainly can be partisan. We all would like to believe the FBI is not a partisan institution, but that doesn't mean the Director can't be, but it also doesn't mean the Director necessarily is. The IG and the FBI OPR are not partisan. Sessions would be out of his political mind to fire McCabe without clearly demonstrable cause. He would not survive the political onslaught.

If you'll remember, Wray threatened to resign if McCabe was terminated without clear cause shortly after accepting his position as Director. That's hardly a partisan action.

So the FBI is partisan when it may help Clinton, but not partisan when it may help Trump. Got it.
 
I already said they were. But thank you for agreeing with me that the Republicans are being hypocritical.
Partisans don't pass the shoe on the other foot test.
That's some earth shattering observation ya got there. LAFF
 
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