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It is pretty clear on how Trump intends to get rid of Mueller and end the Russian investigation while paying back at least one person who he sees as having done him wrong. First he will have Sessions fire McCabe, someone who Trump feels did him wrong. Instead of having the usual firing procedure followed by the FBI which can take further weeks or months, Trump will push Sessions to fire McCabe before Sunday to insure he loses his retirement. One step down. He will then fire Sessions because he feels Session didn't end the investigation into the Russian interference in our election when he recused himself. He will then put Pruitt into Session's position and since Pruitt has no reason to recuse himself Trump will have him fire Mueller. As we have seen by the GOP House members, the GOP will then bring the whole Russian investigation to an end and declare Trump innocent and of course the winner. And this will do such damage to the USA government that no one will ever believe anything it ever does again. I hate to use these words but as a country we are screwed.
 
Good luck with surviving that ruse.

The GOP has been put on notice that America is going to hold them accountable for whatever Trump is allowed to get away with.
 
Didn't the FBI request that McCabe to be fired?
 
celticwar17 said:
Didn't the FBI request that McCabe to be fired?
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Yes, but under normal circumstances there is still more to come and McCabe has a right to defend himself. Can't have that, now can we?
 
MovingPictures said:
Good luck with surviving that ruse.

The GOP has been put on notice that America is going to hold them accountable for whatever Trump is allowed to get away with.
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Yes, there would be hell to pay if Trump has Mueller fired. If the GOP were to allow that to happen I doubt even the GOP's non-Trump voters would approve.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Yes, there would be hell to pay if Trump has Mueller fired. If the GOP were to allow that to happen I doubt even the GOP's non-Trump voters would approve.
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We're still on the nixon August time-line imho, though I'd hate to see it if trump doesn't destroy the Nation.
Pence will be more difficult to run against.

It was DEM Jack Murtha who was elected in Feb. 1974 in a 'western PA special election'.
Sound familiar? Murtha served for 35 years.
Imagine how proud Joe Biden must be today, seeing his son Beau in Conor ...
 
Risky Thicket said:
Yes, there would be hell to pay if Trump has Mueller fired. If the GOP were to allow that to happen I doubt even the GOP's non-Trump voters would approve.
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We don't approve of anything the current GOP leadership is doing. I have yet to meet any anti-Trump republican that does. prominent or IRL.
 
independentusa said:
It is pretty clear on how Trump intends to get rid of Mueller and end the Russian investigation while paying back at least one person who he sees as having done him wrong. First he will have Sessions fire McCabe, someone who Trump feels did him wrong. Instead of having the usual firing procedure followed by the FBI which can take further weeks or months, Trump will push Sessions to fire McCabe before Sunday to insure he loses his retirement. One step down. He will then fire Sessions because he feels Session didn't end the investigation into the Russian interference in our election when he recused himself. He will then put Pruitt into Session's position and since Pruitt has no reason to recuse himself Trump will have him fire Mueller. As we have seen by the GOP House members, the GOP will then bring the whole Russian investigation to an end and declare Trump innocent and of course the winner. And this will do such damage to the USA government that no one will ever believe anything it ever does again. I hate to use these words but as a country we are screwed.
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Nicely laid out. If Trump is not impeached in the next three months. I've always predicted Q2. I believe this is very much how it will turn. He will have his trade wars, and his real wars and the Trumptards will continue to say that Palpatine...I mean Trump did not/is not doing anything wrong.
 
celticwar17 said:
Didn't the FBI request that McCabe to be fired?
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That is correct. It was done by the book per FBI regulations.

The question is should he be fired and lose his (un-vested)retirement like a normal Schulb, or will he walk away smiling like Lois Learner with his government pension in tact.

But he could be headed for indictment and wanted to retire before they come after him. Time will tell.
 
independentusa said:
It is pretty clear on how Trump intends to get rid of Mueller and end the Russian investigation while paying back at least one person who he sees as having done him wrong. First he will have Sessions fire McCabe, someone who Trump feels did him wrong. Instead of having the usual firing procedure followed by the FBI which can take further weeks or months, Trump will push Sessions to fire McCabe before Sunday to insure he loses his retirement. One step down. He will then fire Sessions because he feels Session didn't end the investigation into the Russian interference in our election when he recused himself. He will then put Pruitt into Session's position and since Pruitt has no reason to recuse himself Trump will have him fire Mueller. As we have seen by the GOP House members, the GOP will then bring the whole Russian investigation to an end and declare Trump innocent and of course the winner. And this will do such damage to the USA government that no one will ever believe anything it ever does again. I hate to use these words but as a country we are screwed.
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I appreciate the effort & thought here, but I think the days to fire Mueller have passed. There would be too much political hell to pay. I don't really see it happening. I'll never say 'never', though.
 
independentusa said:
It is pretty clear on how Trump intends to get rid of Mueller and end the Russian investigation while paying back at least one person who he sees as having done him wrong. First he will have Sessions fire McCabe, someone who Trump feels did him wrong. Instead of having the usual firing procedure followed by the FBI which can take further weeks or months, Trump will push Sessions to fire McCabe before Sunday to insure he loses his retirement. One step down. He will then fire Sessions because he feels Session didn't end the investigation into the Russian interference in our election when he recused himself. He will then put Pruitt into Session's position and since Pruitt has no reason to recuse himself Trump will have him fire Mueller. As we have seen by the GOP House members, the GOP will then bring the whole Russian investigation to an end and declare Trump innocent and of course the winner. And this will do such damage to the USA government that no one will ever believe anything it ever does again. I hate to use these words but as a country we are screwed.
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You really should learn not to believe the Mainstream Media spin. You believed it in 2016 and look where THAT got you: Crying.

Yes. Sessions will fire McCabe. Not because Trump wants it, but because the FBI wants it.

No. Trump will not fire Sessions. Sessions is doing exactly what he's supposed to do: Making masterful political moves. Playing the media and the anti-Trumpers. Meanwhile, having an in-house investigation into DOJ and FBI leakers...having outside investigators looking into Hillary, her email scandal and how the FBI handled it...and letting Horowitz do the heavy lifting on the FBI corruption scandal.

In the meantime, Mueller is wandering around, making the media and anti-Trumpers think something's going to happen to Trump...when nothing will happen. There is no reason for Trump or anyone from his administration to even think about firing Mueller.

Everything you've blathered on about...EVERYTHING...is nonsense pushed by the Mainstream Media and anti-Trumpers. It's all unsupported wishful thinking.

There's going to be a lot of pissed off people like you around when this whole thing shakes out.
 
Mycroft said:
You really should learn not to believe the Mainstream Media spin. You believed it in 2016 and look where THAT got you: Crying.

Yes. Sessions will fire McCabe. Not because Trump wants it, but because the FBI wants it.

No. Trump will not fire Sessions. Sessions is doing exactly what he's supposed to do: Making masterful political moves. Playing the media and the anti-Trumpers. Meanwhile, having an in-house investigation into DOJ and FBI leakers...having outside investigators looking into Hillary, her email scandal and how the FBI handled it...and letting Horowitz do the heavy lifting on the FBI corruption scandal.

In the meantime, Mueller is wandering around, making the media and anti-Trumpers think something's going to happen to Trump...when nothing will happen. There is no reason for Trump or anyone from his administration to even think about firing Mueller.

Everything you've blathered on about...EVERYTHING...is nonsense pushed by the Mainstream Media and anti-Trumpers. It's all unsupported wishful thinking.

There's going to be a lot of pissed off people like you around when this whole thing shakes out.
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Let us know when you're not foaming at the mouth, and can contribute serious analysis.
 
independentusa said:
It is pretty clear on how Trump intends to get rid of Mueller and end the Russian investigation while paying back at least one person who he sees as having done him wrong. First he will have Sessions fire McCabe, someone who Trump feels did him wrong. Instead of having the usual firing procedure followed by the FBI which can take further weeks or months, Trump will push Sessions to fire McCabe before Sunday to insure he loses his retirement. One step down. He will then fire Sessions because he feels Session didn't end the investigation into the Russian interference in our election when he recused himself. He will then put Pruitt into Session's position and since Pruitt has no reason to recuse himself Trump will have him fire Mueller. As we have seen by the GOP House members, the GOP will then bring the whole Russian investigation to an end and declare Trump innocent and of course the winner. And this will do such damage to the USA government that no one will ever believe anything it ever does again. I hate to use these words but as a country we are screwed.
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I think he may fire Sessions and try to put his own man in and come up with an excuse to fire Muller.

I agree that it's too late to fire Mueller but it all depends on what Trump is hiding. If he's cornered he doesn't have a choice. But if Mueller has evidence then he'll just leak it.

Trump is a snake so he's going to do his best to slither out of this and spew as much poison as possible.

Finally, I think firing a man a week before retirement and trying to take his pension is evil. Especially, when it all looks very politically motivated. What's the point of firing someone who is already retiring?
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I think he may fire Sessions and try to put his own man in and come up with an excuse to fire Muller.

I agree that it's too late to fire Mueller but it all depends on what Trump is hiding. If he's cornered he doesn't have a choice. But if Mueller has evidence then he'll just leak it.

Trump is a snake so he's going to do his best to slither out of this and spew as much poison as possible.

Finally, I think firing a man a week before retirement and trying to take his pension is evil. Especially, when it all looks very politically motivated. What's the point of firing someone who is already retiring?
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For whatever reason, skill or luck, the GOP have fallen behind Trump in the investigation, and are currently protecting him. I think he has decent reason to believe the political relationship between him & the GOP will allow him immunity against Mueller. It might not be absolute immunity, but strong immunity. In other words, Mueller's report must be air-tight & damning beyond belief, to get to him.

However, if Trump does feel caged-in & cornered with no way to turn, then yes I believe he will be willing to blow it all up. But I think right now, he feels reasonably protected.

Now what will really get interesting, is if the Dems take the House, restart the committees, start seriously investigating including via subpoena & contempt charges, and transparently air it all publicly, perhaps in Nixon-like televised hearings. I think the pardons would fly, if his underlings take the 5th and in turn get immunity and are forced to testify.

I think it might be possible Trump may have more to fear of the Dems, than Mueller. The Dems can play in the political arena, unlike Mueller. To this end, I expect to see Trump campaigning like a madman to keep the House Red ...
 
MovingPictures said:
Let us know when you're not foaming at the mouth, and can contribute serious analysis.
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LOL!!

That's all you have?

Think about it. What makes you think Trump wants Mueller fired? The only indication is stuff from the Mainstream Media that came from "unnamed sources". That's it. Somehow, you've allowed yourself to believe something from nobody.

It's the same for all the rest of the blather.

Heck, I bet you didn't even know that the DOJ is investigating leaks. The Mainstream Media sure hasn't mentioned it.
 
independentusa said:
It is pretty clear on how Trump intends to get rid of Mueller and end the Russian investigation while paying back at least one person who he sees as having done him wrong. First he will have Sessions fire McCabe, someone who Trump feels did him wrong. Instead of having the usual firing procedure followed by the FBI which can take further weeks or months, Trump will push Sessions to fire McCabe before Sunday to insure he loses his retirement. One step down. He will then fire Sessions because he feels Session didn't end the investigation into the Russian interference in our election when he recused himself. He will then put Pruitt into Session's position and since Pruitt has no reason to recuse himself Trump will have him fire Mueller. As we have seen by the GOP House members, the GOP will then bring the whole Russian investigation to an end and declare Trump innocent and of course the winner. And this will do such damage to the USA government that no one will ever believe anything it ever does again. I hate to use these words but as a country we are screwed.
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I am skewing towards the plan being to let Mueller say what he is going to say, and then respond "So what, what else is he going to say, we all know how corrupt these guys are.....Screw-Em"
 
Risky Thicket said:
Yes, there would be hell to pay if Trump has Mueller fired. If the GOP were to allow that to happen I doubt even the GOP's non-Trump voters would approve.
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Not so fast.

Not after a second special counsel is appointed to nvestigate the FBI and its handlling of the Uranium One deal underwhich the mule himself will come under investigation. The mule may just voluntarily step down, too busy saving his own butt from jail, or worse. There are federal statutes against aiding and abetting our enemies...well, if you agree Russia is our enemy.

Not solely our enemy when Trump's name is mentioned. 10 U.S. Code § 904 - Art. 104. Aiding the enemy. Penalties include execution.

 
independentusa said:
It is pretty clear on how Trump intends to get rid of Mueller and end the Russian investigation while paying back at least one person who he sees as having done him wrong. First he will have Sessions fire McCabe, someone who Trump feels did him wrong. Instead of having the usual firing procedure followed by the FBI which can take further weeks or months, Trump will push Sessions to fire McCabe before Sunday to insure he loses his retirement. One step down. He will then fire Sessions because he feels Session didn't end the investigation into the Russian interference in our election when he recused himself. He will then put Pruitt into Session's position and since Pruitt has no reason to recuse himself Trump will have him fire Mueller. As we have seen by the GOP House members, the GOP will then bring the whole Russian investigation to an end and declare Trump innocent and of course the winner. And this will do such damage to the USA government that no one will ever believe anything it ever does again. I hate to use these words but as a country we are screwed.
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None of this need happen.

Mueller will go away eventually because there will be nothing else left to investigate.

It's a natural process.
 
independentusa said:
It is pretty clear on how Trump intends to get rid of Mueller and end the Russian investigation while paying back at least one person who he sees as having done him wrong. First he will have Sessions fire McCabe, someone who Trump feels did him wrong. Instead of having the usual firing procedure followed by the FBI which can take further weeks or months, Trump will push Sessions to fire McCabe before Sunday to insure he loses his retirement. One step down. He will then fire Sessions because he feels Session didn't end the investigation into the Russian interference in our election when he recused himself. He will then put Pruitt into Session's position and since Pruitt has no reason to recuse himself Trump will have him fire Mueller. As we have seen by the GOP House members, the GOP will then bring the whole Russian investigation to an end and declare Trump innocent and of course the winner. And this will do such damage to the USA government that no one will ever believe anything it ever does again. I hate to use these words but as a country we are screwed.
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Can I get next weeks lotto numbers please?
 
Tuesday’s election of a Democrat in a solid red district, seven months before the mid terms, killed any lingering hope that Trump might get away with firing Mueller.
 
celticwar17 said:
Didn't the FBI request that McCabe to be fired?
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Yes but there is a procedure and that could take like I said a lot longer than Sunday if it is followed. And what he is being fired for in the past has been reduced to a lesser discipline by previous AG's, but not this time. Trump wants him fired and in a way that takes away his retirement after 21 years of service.
 
This part:

independentusa said:
...He will then fire Sessions because he feels Session didn't end the investigation into the Russian interference in our election when he recused himself...
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Is where your theory falls apart, because some VERY POWERFUL REPUBLICAN SENATORS (McCain, Graham, Flake, others) put Trump on notice a long time ago that such a move would "create a constitutional crisis."
 
DickBanks said:
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Is where your theory falls apart, because some VERY POWERFUL REPUBLICAN SENATORS (McCain, Graham, Flake, others) put Trump on notice a long time ago that such a move would "create a constitutional crisis."
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And you said it, a long time ago before they started to hang on to the Trump coattails. This present House of Rps will never indict Trump for impeachment no matter how strong the case
against Trump. They will point to their GOP House members who said no collusion and the Russians were actually trying to help Clinton. Nobody with a brain actually believes the report but it will give them cover in their districts.
 
Fortunately Mueller is light years smarter than trump and he has already involved at least one state prosecutor. Trumps crimes do not disappear with Mueller.
 
Chomsky said:
I appreciate the effort & thought here, but I think the days to fire Mueller have passed. There would be too much political hell to pay. I don't really see it happening. I'll never say 'never', though.
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To lay the foundations for this the Repubs have already come out & stated with regard to the Russian collusion investigation, that there is no there there. So no need for Mueller to continue, is there?
 
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