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In hindsight, Democrats probably should have seen Trump’s 360 on gun control coming

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In hindsight, Democrats probably should have seen Trump’s 360 on gun control coming

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Trump listening to survivors of the school shooting in Parkland, Florida

March 12, 2018

Once again, President Donald Trump underscored the vast difference between Trump the person and Trump the administration when it comes to his stance on divisive issues. And that’s why, in hindsight, Democrats should have seen that Trump would not support any of their gun-control proposals. Where Trump’s White House ended up on how to respond to school shootings is a world away from where he started. On Sunday, the White House released its proposal, which focuses on arming teachers and doesn’t mention raising the age limit for assault rifle purchases, which Trump supports. We saw a similar unraveling of compromise play out in a January immigration debate. And a pattern is starting to emerge on how to read Trump’s wild spins on divisive issues: When it comes time for the White House to put its own ideas in writing, he’ll land to the right of most of Washington, no matter how he seemed to be at the center or left just a few days before.

When the cameras were invited to a White House meeting with Trump and bipartisan lawmakers a few weeks ago, Trump seemed so open to gun-control proposals that he accused one of the most pro gun-control Republicans in the Senate, Patrick J. Toomey, of being afraid of the NRA because Toomey’s universal background check bill from 2013 also didn’t raise the age limit for buying assault rifles. But whatever support Democrats think they had from the president has fizzled. Trump ignored their outstretched hand on universal background checks and started talking more about arming teachers. Less than two weeks after that meeting, his White House formalized his drift back to the right. They announced Sunday night they would help train schoolteachers to carry guns, a proposal plucked straight from the NRA, and they’d endorse a Republican-led bill that reinforces the background check system but doesn’t expand it.
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Trump agrees with the last person who talked to him, and that’s usually his staff.
 
Didn't we call it here?


He never means what he says in substance. He only says what he thinks makes him look good at the moment. He's the least trustworthy person on the planet.
 
Mr Person said:
Didn't we call it here?


He never means what he says in substance. He only says what he thinks makes him look good at the moment. He's the least trustworthy person on the planet.
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That would be a lobbyist.
 
Mr Person said:
He's his own lobbyist, so I still win.
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Humorously, examine a lobbyists resume, they are a lawyer, a politician, and a salesman---does it get much worse than that?
 
OpportunityCost said:
Humorously, examine a lobbyists resume, they are a lawyer, a politician, and a salesman---does it get much worse than that?
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Was Abraham Lincoln so bad it couldn't get worse? John Adams I?

Not every lawyer is the scumbag who runs a low-class commercial announcing "Have you been hurt? Want cash?"




Either way, Trump is one of the most untrustworthy turds I've had the misfortune to learn about.
 
Mr Person said:
Didn't we call it here?


He never means what he says in substance. He only says what he thinks makes him look good at the moment. He's the least trustworthy person on the planet.
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His recommendations are excellent and may actually have a chance of getting through Congress.

The alternative would be to recommend draconian measures that would be dead on arrival.

We're too familiar with that kind of failure.....it's been the pattern of the past.

Trump is a winner not a loser.
 
Mr Person said:
Was Abraham Lincoln so bad it couldn't get worse? John Adams I?

Not every lawyer is the scumbag who runs a low-class commercial announcing "Have you been hurt? Want cash?"

Either way, Trump is one of the most untrustworthy turds I've had the misfortune to learn about.
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All three to make the statement true.
 
tres borrachos said:
This is what happens when you elect someone with no beliefs, no plans, no ideals, and no credibility.

File this under "I told you so".
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Most politicians fit that description. They are for all three side of a given issue and yet, somewhat against it under certain circumstances.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Humorously, examine a lobbyists resume, they are a lawyer, a politician, and a salesman---does it get much worse than that?
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That retired four-star general Flynn became a paid Turkish agent - a lobbyist - and "forgot" to mention that (and his paid dealings in Russia) in his background check before being nominated as National Security Adviser (our nation's "top spy"). So who's worse - Flynn...or the guy who hired him even after being specifically warned not to do so?
 
Glen Contrarian said:
That retired four-star general Flynn became a paid Turkish agent - a lobbyist - and "forgot" to mention that (and his paid dealings in Russia) in his background check before being nominated as National Security Adviser (our nation's "top spy"). So who's worse - Flynn...or the guy who hired him even after being specifically warned not to do so?
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You TDSers are intractable.
 
OpportunityCost said:
You TDSers are intractable.
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Really? Pointing out that Your Boy Trump ignored the warnings of the previous president and actually hired as our nation's top spy someone who was a paid foreign agent and who "forgot" to mention on his security clearance forms that he'd personally dined with Putin...all that's "just TDS"?

Well, I guess we can see where your allegiance lies. It doesn't matter what Trump has done wrong, you'll always support and defend him.
 
I don't think he could appear to be any less interested in the subject at hand than he does in that picture, lol.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Really? Pointing out that Your Boy Trump ignored the warnings of the previous president and actually hired as our nation's top spy someone who was a paid foreign agent and who "forgot" to mention on his security clearance forms that he'd personally dined with Putin...all that's "just TDS"?

Well, I guess we can see where your allegiance lies. It doesn't matter what Trump has done wrong, you'll always support and defend him.
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I don't think Trump would ever accuse Obama of sincerity. Just as an aside but I believe the Obama administration did not fully cover why they didn't want Flynn hired. They could have, they should have. In fact, they hid a number of relevant foreign policy issues from the incoming Trump administration; hell of a precedent.
 
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