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Education Moron...er, Secretary

I watched it, and cringed throughout the entire thing. It was bad. I mean, really bad. She was completely uninformed and looked ridiculous.

This entire administration has to be Grover Norquist's wet dream.

We don't need a president to tell us what direction to go; we know what direction we want to go. . . . The Republicans in the House have passed 24-plus bills that create jobs and opportunity and strip out regulations. We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don't need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate. . . . [We just need to] pick a Republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become the president of the United States . . . [and] to sign the legislation that has already been prepared.

And these sheep are the same asshats who scream from the mountain tops about shadow government and deep state crap while having in place a bunch of figure heads that do exactly what grover said... to not think and merely have enough digits to simply sign what is handed to them. I'd bet she couldn't even describe the policy she supposedly supports with any detail. It's just what she's told to push.
 
I watched 60 minutes also. The woman has no clue how the middle class lives (and prefers to educate their children). She wasn't even successful in improving education in her home state.
 
Every time she speaks, I remember Trump saying he only hires the best. :lamo
 
This sounds like justification to abolish the department of education.
 
It's not surprising to find yet another clueless secretary in the Trump cabinet. It's sad that they are going to push policy and the direction an agency goes without the basic understanding of what they are doing; but that's Trump for ya.
 
In her case, Trump hired only the richest. She's supposed to be the richest of his cabinet.
 
I thought she would at least have an argument, with some data for how things have improved in Michigan schools, which schools have improved, which haven't and why she believed that the case. Nope, she had nothing. And now she is going to talk physical security and guns for teachers. Let hope she'll put a bit more thought into that.
 
Wow. Just wow. Looks like she couldn't care less.
 
I like this one.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/12/politics/white-house-officials-alarmed-at-betsy-devos/index.html

White House officials were alarmed by Education Secretary Betsy DeVos' struggle to answer basic questions about the nation's schools and failure to defend the administration's newly proposed school safety measures during a tour of television interviews Sunday and Monday, according to two sources familiar with their reaction.

They're "alarmed" at how stupid she is at her post. It's been over a year at this point, right? Hasn't anyone checked in on her yet? Is there some form of assessment process to ensure she's doing her job? Surprised? Maybe y'all should have been managing the team properly.

lol
 
A year later and she's as qualified to lead the Education Department as I am to head up the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

Tell Elon I said hey.
 
She did have her lines well memorized, but had no clue as to what she was saying. That't to be expected when you put someone in charge with absolutely no experience, whether it's the Department of Education, or the presidency.

The D of E should be shut down anyway. Education is a state responsibility.
 
She did have her lines well memorized, but had no clue as to what she was saying. That't to be expected when you put someone in charge with absolutely no experience, whether it's the Department of Education, or the presidency.

The D of E should be shut down anyway. Education is a state responsibility.

And instead of schools being held to the same standard, you'll have some states that have standards that are quite low...and the poverty and lack of education would be perpetuated even more strongly. And when those kids graduate and decide to go elsewhere, they'll find out just how lacking their education was. That, btw, was my lesson learned the hard way - a rural Mississippi education simply did not prepare me for the Navy Nuclear Power School...and I promptly flunked out. The highest my school went was Algebra II and didn't offer physics at all, and NNPS basic began at an above-algebra level and required at least some proficiency with physics.

What happens is that rural schools (especially in poor areas) often don't have the same resources and don't offer the same courses as schools in urban or suburban areas. If schools are held to the same standard, then that places pressure on state governments to provide better funding for those schools in poor rural areas in order to meet the national standards. But if the poorer states aren't required to meet a higher standard, then they will not provide better funding for the poverty-ridden rural areas.
 
Yet another one from the "burn it all down" political wing....

No, it's the "deflect it all away" political wing. I think there can be plenty of arguments made for the restructuring or even abolition of the Department of Education as it currently stands. But in this instance, this isn't an example of why it's bad in general; it's an example of how Trump cannot put together a competent cabinet. But that cannot be admitted to. This case is really bad, but they cannot state that it's Trump's fault for having put such an incompetent into the position. So you'll see a greater number of people claim that the Department of Education needs to go rather than deal with the reality that Trump f'd up again.

This isn't a justification to abolish the Department of Education, it's a justification to abolish the Trump administration.
 
Let's remind everyone here about something that I doubt 60 Minutes covered.

Forget outcomes: school choice isn't a viable concept in rural states to begin with. You have next to none of the incentives or infrastructure necessary to get an influx of private providers.

And guess who votes Republican? The states that would be least likely to actually have school choice available.

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It's not surprising to find yet another clueless secretary in the Trump cabinet. It's sad that they are going to push policy and the direction an agency goes without the basic understanding of what they are doing; but that's Trump for ya.

Yes and no. We got to see Betsy as this anti-federal government apoointee, but the reality is more complicated than that.

When states were going through the ESSA plan process, her office was not so consistent in its expectations. In some states, the added flexibility (and sometimes low expectations) were met. Other times her office strangely would penalize states for not being ambitious enough with some of their targets, despite the obviousness that this particular state was dangerously overly-ambitious in its goals (like in several years they would double or something proficiency rates in reading). Senator Alexander and others had to slap her wrist in theoretically overstepping the bounds of ESSA. They heeded those suggestions, best I could tell.

I mean, there was some good stuff in their requirements, I must say. But it's more than a bit incoherent.

So on one hand the expectations were low for many states, were too stringent with others, and so on. And then there's the OCR guidance letters and regulations she threw out, which were controversial (some were antiquated and no longer used anyway, but for some things dealing with student loans and sexual assault they were changes with teeth in them). But then she chastised states for their low expectations in ESSA plans at SXSW.

But in many ways, the Ed Department's appointed leadership doesn't really exist as a player in anything, even moral suasion. The best that I could tell, she cheerleads for something she has no control over whatsoever: the private sector. Given that the overwhelming majority of students won't touch the private sector, she can't be bothered to tell us what she wants public schools to do or look like over the next decade.

But in other departments of the Ed office they are still getting to work, almost as if she doesnt exist. To some extent that's a great thing, but in other ways it demonstrates a lack of leadership. I mean, during the Bell and Bennett years, we didn't like all of their activities, but in some areas they exhibited great leadership that has components that still live on to this day.

Do I think she knows what she wants? No, but she will give mixed signals all over the place in the meantime.


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This sounds like justification to abolish the department of education.
That's not happening. A logistical nightmare, and completely counterproductive.

But if you want a working Ed Department, get a Secretary of Education who can work. Bill Bennett did just fine.

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A year later and she's as qualified to lead the Education Department as I am to head up the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory.
Oh, c'mon, dont sell yourself short, youve certainly got that propulsion thing down, anyhow.

Yep, as good a time as any to do away with something, the DOE, that should never ever have been allowed in the first place. Our students have gone the complete opposite direction of your....

Three ...two ...one ...key ... ignition .....we have blast off :eek:uch:

Just need to have the engineering dept figure out how to attach that to a spacecraft...youve way more than enough fuel to get to Mars and back, no problem. :lamo
 
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