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Do you also support the Carbon Tax? Or, vice versa.

Also, if you support one but not the other, why? Do explain.


I support neither. Why? Because I oppose all such interventionist bull****.
 
calamity said:
Do you also support the Carbon Tax? Or, vice versa.

Also, if you support one but not the other, why? Do explain.


I support neither. Why? Because I oppose all such interventionist bull****.
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Are you ok with our trading partners placing tariffs and value added taxes on American products?
 
apdst said:
Are you ok with our trading partners placing tariffs and value added taxes on American products?
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See, I don't like tariffs..... obviously... I'm a free trade, free market kind of person.

But it isn't free trade or the free market when we allow ALL countries of the world to put regulations and tariffs on our goods freely without consequence.

We are in a trade war... we just aren't fighting back.

I don't pretend to know the right answer.... but at the VERY least Trump is actually addressing this issue that all the Democrats and a lot of republicans refuse to even acknowledge... they are all complacent on our corporations stay happy while the U.S. economy dies slowly from a thousand paper cuts.
 
celticwar17 said:
See, I don't like tariffs..... obviously... I'm a free trade, free market kind of person.

But it isn't free trade or the free market when we allow ALL countries of the world to put regulations and tariffs on our goods freely without consequence.

We are in a trade war... we just aren't fighting back.

I don't pretend to know the right answer.... but at the VERY least Trump is actually addressing this issue that all the Democrats and a lot of republicans refuse to even acknowledge... they are all complacent on our corporations stay happy while the U.S. economy dies slowly from a thousand paper cuts.
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It also doesn't help when our biggest trade partner is Communist China, with a controlled economy they can manipulate at will so as to always be able to undercut the lowest non-controlled economy bidder.

As I've said elsewhere, encouraging trade with China is like inviting a cheetah to a horse race...the horses are running to be first to the finish line...the cheetah is trying to catch the horses and eat them. That eventually leaves the cheetah the only one left in the race.
 
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Trump bullied EVERY candidate, promised Americans the moon, some folks were stupid enuff to buy into the bull**** so, now here we are.

How close to the moon are we gonna get with Trump? LOL .............. good luck folks ...............
 
calamity said:
Do you also support the Carbon Tax? Or, vice versa.

Also, if you support one but not the other, why? Do explain.


I support neither. Why? Because I oppose all such interventionist bull****.
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I don't see the two as related in any way.

I mean, are we having a problem producing carbon because some other country is overproducing and dumping carbon on the market? Is that why people want a carbon tax?

I don't think so.
 
Mycroft said:
I don't see the two as related in any way.
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Of course you don't.

I mean, are we having a problem producing carbon because some other country is overproducing and dumping carbon on the market? Is that why people want a carbon tax?

I don't think so.
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Actually the carbon tax would have created high paying jobs. Steel and aluminum tariffs not so much. But, I oppose both, since both are economic disasters to other sectors. And, hence, the similarity.
 
apdst said:
Are you ok with our trading partners placing tariffs and value added taxes on American products?
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They certainly will now
 
calamity said:
Of course you don't.


Actually the carbon tax would have created high paying jobs. Steel and aluminum tariffs not so much. But, I oppose both, since both are economic disasters to other sectors. And, hence, the similarity.
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Over regulation is an economic disaster. Do you oppose that, as well? Do you detect a similarity?
 
Mycroft said:
Over regulation is an economic disaster. Do you oppose that, as well? Do you detect a similarity?
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I like clean air and fresh water. Both are impacted by steel production and the smelting of aluminum.

Let me guess. You have never been in a plant that produced either one. Amirite?
 
calamity said:
I like clean air and fresh water. Both are impacted by steel production and the smelting of aluminum.

Let me guess. You have never been in a plant that produced either one. Amirite?
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Oh...I've worked at a steel plant.

So...you are a supporter of the economic disaster created by over regulation?
 
Mycroft said:
Oh...I've worked at a steel plant.

So...you are a supporter of the economic disaster created by over regulation?
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I support a smart economy based on high tech and imported materials. Look up value-add.
 
calamity said:
I support a smart economy based on high tech and imported materials. Look up value-add.
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Yeah...that hasn't been working so well for our steel and aluminum industries lately, though the Chinese steel industry has been doing great.

But hey...you've taken us way off the topic of your thread. You want to get back on track...or you want to deflect as usual?
 
calamity said:
Do you also support the Carbon Tax? Or, vice versa.

Also, if you support one but not the other, why? Do explain.


I support neither. Why? Because I oppose all such interventionist bull****.
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I'm a little confused about the whole thing. The more I dig, the more I find that all presidents have tried to impose tariffs but none of it worked in terms of creating jobs or lowering the trade deficit.

G.W. Bush imposed tariffs on steel, Obama imposed tariffs on Chinese rolled steel and none of it worked....

When George W. Bush tried to save the steel industry in 2002 by raising tariffs on selected steel products, many Republicans and business groups say the result was a disaster. More jobs were lost than saved. The states he sought to help suffered. And in the end, the tariffs were overturned.
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Why steel tariffs failed when Bush was president

At his 2012 State of the Union address, Obama declared that "over a thousand Americans are working today because we stopped a surge in Chinese tires." A 2012 Peterson Institute study by Gary Hufbauer and Sean Lowry suggested that the most generous assessment might say that the tariffs "saved a maximum of 1,200 jobs," but that savings came at a high cost.

Hufbauer and Lowry estimated that the price increase on non-Chinese tire imports added up to $817 million, and U.S. tiremakers' price increase as a result of the tariffs was $295 million. All told, they calculated that each of those 1,200 saved jobs ended up costing $900,000 each.
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What tariffs has the U.S. tried in the recent past, and how did they work out?
 
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apdst said:
Are you ok with our trading partners placing tariffs and value added taxes on American products?
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calamity said:
Do you also support the Carbon Tax? Or, vice versa.

Also, if you support one but not the other, why? Do explain.


I support neither. Why? Because I oppose all such interventionist bull****.
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I noticed calamity failed to respond.

Harley-Davidson for example, when they send a motorcycle to India is charged a 100% tariff. An Indian company that sends a motorcycle to the U.S. is charged a 0% percent tariff.

An America car going to China pays a 25% tariff but a Chinese car coming to the U.S pays a 2.5% tariff.
 
Bucky said:
I noticed calamity failed to respond.

Harley-Davidson for example, when they send a motorcycle to India is charged a 100% tariff. An Indian company that sends a motorcycle to the U.S. is charged a 0% percent tariff.

An America car going to China pays a 25% tariff but a Chinese car coming to the U.S pays a 2.5% tariff.
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Too bad Trump isn't placing tariffs on cars and Motorcycles. :roll:
 
apdst said:
They already do. Is that ok?
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I'm not buying American products abroad. I do buy foreign steel and aluminum here though. So do all my customers.

Trump just forced us to either charge 20% more or take a margin hit. MAGA.
 
calamity said:
Do you also support the Carbon Tax? Or, vice versa.

Also, if you support one but not the other, why? Do explain.


I support neither. Why? Because I oppose all such interventionist bull****.
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I agree with the Congressional Republicans, Gary Cohn, Charles Koch and the other smart kids that the tariffs are not a good idea. Not at all, in more ways than one. I also don't support the carbon tax.
 
tres borrachos said:
I agree with the Congressional Republicans, Gary Cohn, Charles Koch and the other smart kids that the tariffs are not a good idea. Not at all, in more ways than one. I also don't support the carbon tax.
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Correct answer
 
Captain Adverse said:
It also doesn't help when our biggest trade partner is Communist China, with a controlled economy they can manipulate at will so as to always be able to undercut the lowest non-controlled economy bidder.

As I've said elsewhere, encouraging trade with China is like inviting a cheetah to a horse race...the horses are running to be first to the finish line...the cheetah is trying to catch the horses and eat them. That eventually leaves the cheetah the only one left in the race.
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China is not communist, they have a capitalistic economy.
 
calamity said:
Of course you don't.


Actually the carbon tax would have created high paying jobs. Steel and aluminum tariffs not so much. But, I oppose both, since both are economic disasters to other sectors. And, hence, the similarity.
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How would a carbon tax produce high paying jobs?
 
Carbon tax does good, it makes for cleaner air and less pollution

Tariffs do nothing but raise prices since manufacturing in this country is never going to come back, and if it does, will be mostly automated.

If these people want jobs you better embrace learning skills that are in actual need in this country
 
jimbo said:
How would a carbon tax produce high paying jobs?
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By encouraging innovation and growth in the value-add sector instead of dead end commodity careers.

Careers in software development versus, say, coal mining.
 
jimbo said:
How would a carbon tax produce high paying jobs?
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesc...arbon-tax-create-jobs-jobs-jobs/#5f8bd3125832

This article mentions positive impacts, one being the spending from the taxes going to the construction projects

First, the effects on the overall Washington economy and on jobs were overwhelmingly positive, even for the high carbon-price scenario. There was no negative impact on the state’s GDP and even a slight uptick in total employment. But the details of some of those sectors that were directly impacted are fascinating. In just one of the high carbon-price model years, there were:

Construction – 7,630 jobs gained

Chemical Industry – 289 jobs gained

Natural Gas Industry – 19 jobs lost

Textile Mills – 30 jobs lost

In every year of this tax there were similar relative job gains over losses. The job gains in Construction result from a lot of the tax revenue being spent on construction of critical infrastructure like roads and bridges, maybe even electric car charging stations along the interstate highways. These are the best jobs for stimulating any economy, and is why there are no negative effects of a carbon tax on the overall economy.
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The effects from a carbon tax in this state are well within the levels of change we are used to, well within expected inflation rates over that time (see figure above). And they would generate billions of dollars of revenue desperately needed to upgrade our infrastructure. It seems to be the same for most states.
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