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Normal People and Trump

LowDown

LowDown

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The experts, that is to say normal people, have been wrong about Trump on every issue for the last two and a half years.

First they said he'd never be nominated.

Then they said he'd never be elected.

Then they said that the stock market would crash if he took office.

Then they said that the economy would never grow.

Then they said that Trump wouldn't get companies to move back to the US or bring their money back here.

Then they said that tax cuts were a bad idea.

They have always said that Trump would not be able to do anything in office.

Then they said that scaring the piss out of North Korea was a bad idea. (The Norks are now talking about getting rid of their nukes.)

They said that pulling out of the Paris Accord would be a disaster. No disaster so far.

They said that dumping the TTP would be a disaster. No disaster so far.

And so on, and so forth...

And now they are saying that a trade war is a crazy idea that will never work.

I donno. Is it crazy? Perhaps. (Don't look at me, I'm as normal as anyone, and I made many of the above predictions, too.) But I make it a policy now not to bet against Trump.

Scott Adams explains Trumps actions by saying that he's working with a different set of "tools". It's not a matter of playing 3 dimensional chess, as some of the critics have scoffed, as if Trump is being made out to be some sort of super genius. It's just a matter of understanding human psychology in ways the most people are not familiar with. Trump has been doing this sort of thing all of his professional life with no small amount of success. Most people just don't understand it or see it.



One thing is for sure. After seeing the elite experts proved wrong again and again and again and again, etc., I'm not betting on them.
 
LowDown said:
The experts, that is to say normal people, have been wrong about Trump on every issue for the last two and a half years.

First they said he'd never be nominated.

Then they said he'd never be elected.

Then they said that the stock market would crash if he took office.

Then they said that the economy would never grow.

Then they said that Trump wouldn't get companies to move back to the US or bring their money back here.

Then they said that tax cuts were a bad idea.

They have always said that Trump would not be able to do anything in office.

Then they said that scaring the piss out of North Korea was a bad idea. (The Norks are now talking about getting rid of their nukes.)

They said that pulling out of the Paris Accord would be a disaster. No disaster so far.

They said that dumping the TTP would be a disaster. No disaster so far.

And so on, and so forth...

And now they are saying that a trade war is a crazy idea that will never work.

I donno. Is it crazy? Perhaps. (Don't look at me, I'm as normal as anyone, and I made many of the above predictions, too.) But I make it a policy now not to bet against Trump.

Scott Adams explains Trumps actions by saying that he's working with a different set of "tools". It's not a matter of playing 3 dimensional chess, as some of the critics have scoffed, as if Trump is being made out to be some sort of super genius. It's just a matter of understanding human psychology in ways the most people are not familiar with. Trump has been doing this sort of thing all of his professional life with no small amount of success. Most people just don't understand it or see it.



One thing is for sure. After seeing the elite experts proved wrong again and again and again and again, etc., I'm not betting on them.
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And who are these "normal people?"

This is the fantasy of the right, how they "stuck it to the man" and elected "their savior."

So let's try some FACTS.

It was clear FAIRLY EARLY that the Republicans were going to nominate Trump, as it became apparent that all they cared about was "Hillary Clinton Hate Syndrome," and "you know, they all eat babies."

Polls indicated EARLY AND OFTEN that Hillary Clinton would win the popular vote by 2-3%, which she did. Likewise, state polls were right on the money. And in the end, it was only the Trump people who were preparing for defeat. Both Steve Bannon and Michael Moore were ADAMANT that Trump was the CLEAR FAVORITE TO WIN.

As for the rest: The Tax Reform (long-term cuts only for the rich) WILL BE BAD, trade wars WILL BE BAD. And if Donald Trump maintains AT LEAST a 35% favorability rating, he will be re-elected in 2020. The only thing that will stop that from happening is the Justice System. Tick-Tock...

People on the right want to "ride their white horse" and claim that Trump's victory was some kind of "miracle." The truth is, it was inevitable. And as hard as Trump tried his VERY BEST to screw it up, even HE couldn't. It was simply time for the pendulum to swing from the side of intellectualism, progressive-ism, and scientific breakthrough back to Nazi-ism and fascism, as is the pattern in this country.

And that little ditty in the end by Mr Adams is true--it worked for Hitler and Mussolini, and it worked (again) for Trump.

After all, that's what "Make America Great Again" really means.
 
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LowDown said:
The experts, that is to say normal people, have been wrong about Trump on every issue for the last two and a half years.

First they said he'd never be nominated.

Then they said he'd never be elected.

Then they said that the stock market would crash if he took office.

Then they said that the economy would never grow.

Then they said that Trump wouldn't get companies to move back to the US or bring their money back here.

Then they said that tax cuts were a bad idea.

They have always said that Trump would not be able to do anything in office.

Then they said that scaring the piss out of North Korea was a bad idea. (The Norks are now talking about getting rid of their nukes.)

They said that pulling out of the Paris Accord would be a disaster. No disaster so far.

They said that dumping the TTP would be a disaster. No disaster so far.

And so on, and so forth...

And now they are saying that a trade war is a crazy idea that will never work.

I donno. Is it crazy? Perhaps. (Don't look at me, I'm as normal as anyone, and I made many of the above predictions, too.) But I make it a policy now not to bet against Trump.

Scott Adams explains Trumps actions by saying that he's working with a different set of "tools". It's not a matter of playing 3 dimensional chess, as some of the critics have scoffed, as if Trump is being made out to be some sort of super genius. It's just a matter of understanding human psychology in ways the most people are not familiar with. Trump has been doing this sort of thing all of his professional life with no small amount of success. Most people just don't understand it or see it.



One thing is for sure. After seeing the elite experts proved wrong again and again and again and again, etc., I'm not betting on them.
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The stock market won't crash for awhile yet till the strain on the lending pool and extractive spending of the rich build up.

The economy will grow for maybe a year yet from the tax break fix until the above factors take over.

I think Trump's business expertise is an excellent boon to the economy except for the tax cuts.

Trump would have my excellent rating if only he had failed to pass his tax reform.

I might feel more secure against North Korea under Trump (and Pence) then the Benghazi stained Clinton.
 
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If the conversations I overhear at work from out Vets are true, lots folks looking to cast a ballot in Nov. I have been involved with the military and Vets for years. I have NEVER heard such negativity in regards to a CIC. Most don't like his daily lack of integrity.
 
yankintx said:
If the conversations I overhear at work from out Vets are true, lots folks looking to cast a ballot in Nov. I have been involved with the military and Vets for years. I have NEVER heard such negativity in regards to a CIC. Most don't like his daily lack of integrity.
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Yes. Obama took such good care of them. He only asked them to not die on main street where you can be seen.
 
LowDown said:
The experts, that is to say normal people, have been wrong about Trump on every issue for the last two and a half years.

First they said he'd never be nominated.

Then they said he'd never be elected.

Then they said that the stock market would crash if he took office.

Then they said that the economy would never grow.

Then they said that Trump wouldn't get companies to move back to the US or bring their money back here.

Then they said that tax cuts were a bad idea.

They have always said that Trump would not be able to do anything in office.

Then they said that scaring the piss out of North Korea was a bad idea. (The Norks are now talking about getting rid of their nukes.)

They said that pulling out of the Paris Accord would be a disaster. No disaster so far.

They said that dumping the TTP would be a disaster. No disaster so far.

And so on, and so forth...

And now they are saying that a trade war is a crazy idea that will never work.

I donno. Is it crazy? Perhaps. (Don't look at me, I'm as normal as anyone, and I made many of the above predictions, too.) But I make it a policy now not to bet against Trump.

Scott Adams explains Trumps actions by saying that he's working with a different set of "tools". It's not a matter of playing 3 dimensional chess, as some of the critics have scoffed, as if Trump is being made out to be some sort of super genius. It's just a matter of understanding human psychology in ways the most people are not familiar with. Trump has been doing this sort of thing all of his professional life with no small amount of success. Most people just don't understand it or see it.



One thing is for sure. After seeing the elite experts proved wrong again and again and again and again, etc., I'm not betting on them.
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I hate it when people post hyperbole and strawmen like this. Like you’re not 100% wrong that people have underestimated Trump and oversold doomsday predictions, but hyperpartisan garbage arguments like this only make me want to dismiss any legitimate points you may or may not have had.
 
LowDown said:
The experts, that is to say normal people, have been wrong about Trump on every issue for the last two and a half years.

First they said he'd never be nominated.

Then they said he'd never be elected.

Then they said that the stock market would crash if he took office.

Then they said that the economy would never grow.

Then they said that Trump wouldn't get companies to move back to the US or bring their money back here.

Then they said that tax cuts were a bad idea.

They have always said that Trump would not be able to do anything in office.

Then they said that scaring the piss out of North Korea was a bad idea. (The Norks are now talking about getting rid of their nukes.)

They said that pulling out of the Paris Accord would be a disaster. No disaster so far.

They said that dumping the TTP would be a disaster. No disaster so far.

And so on, and so forth...

And now they are saying that a trade war is a crazy idea that will never work.

I donno. Is it crazy? Perhaps. (Don't look at me, I'm as normal as anyone, and I made many of the above predictions, too.) But I make it a policy now not to bet against Trump.

Scott Adams explains Trumps actions by saying that he's working with a different set of "tools". It's not a matter of playing 3 dimensional chess, as some of the critics have scoffed, as if Trump is being made out to be some sort of super genius. It's just a matter of understanding human psychology in ways the most people are not familiar with. Trump has been doing this sort of thing all of his professional life with no small amount of success. Most people just don't understand it or see it.



One thing is for sure. After seeing the elite experts proved wrong again and again and again and again, etc., I'm not betting on them.
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I don't think experts work in absolutes. They work in probability. Trump being nominated and elected was within the realm of probability. I even predicted on this forum his election win the week before the election. The rest falls within too early to tell or hyperbolizes what his critics have said.

Trump likes to defy conventional wisdom, and that is exactly what he was elected to do, but at a point going to war against globalization is going to hit a big snag. He is taking our country against the current of the world. He is playing boardroom politics on a much bigger stage that is governed by different psychological factors than he likely understands. His form of economic nationalism has been dying since the 50s and no trade war is going to change that we are a more interconnected world than ever before and becoming more so every day.
 
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