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Why Americans are such easy targets for trolls and bots

The left is upset that Putin and Russia are trying to influence our elections and yet Putin purposely praises Trump, to get the left all riled up to influence our coming up elections and the left falls for it hook, line, and sinker like rabid dogs.

Wow. That's the most convoluted way to get to 'left is dumb' that I've ever seen.

Just wondering, why does Putin want to rile up the left again? The reason is probably buried in your post somewhere but I can't sort it all out.
 
I will admit, for some time in my twenties and early thirties, I was willing to try almost any new cereal. Twice the marshmallows? Little cookies baked by elves!? Yes please!
I still miss the old formulation of Count Chocula and Boo-Berry, even some iffy Franken-Berry. The new ones just aren't the same.

To embrace that knowledge about sales/propaganda, one has to admit they may be wrongly influenced by it, and they have to work hard to differentiate facts from fiction.
Most people avoid ever admitting they are wrong, it's primal.
Most people avoiding hard boring critical investigation and analysis, is the default for most people...who wants to do that!?

As such, most people will believe on some level, things they are told, without admitting they were wrong, and without any desire to figure out what's right. And since political action is so divorced and easily obfuscated from the negative or positive effects it has on our daily lives...there is little incentive for most people to "get it right".



Not too long from now, if they poll how people voted for Trump, it'll be fewer than actually did.
 
Americans believe just about everything on the internet. And, the left feeds off anything they can to use against Trump. We know that Putin is trying to sow discord and distrust in American politics and the democratic process. I found it interesting that the other day Putin praised Trump for something and he did it on purpose to sow discord with American politics and sure enough, the left falls right through the trap door.



What examples do you have to support your claim that “left falls right through the trap door.”?

As long as Putin praises Trump, Trump will keep going easy on Putin. Trump has called critics of his coziness with Trump “jealous.” It seems to me Trump has stepped through the trap door, that Putin custom-made just for him, long ago.
 
Wow. That's the most convoluted way to get to 'left is dumb' that I've ever seen.

Just wondering, why does Putin want to rile up the left again? The reason is probably buried in your post somewhere but I can't sort it all out.

Not buried at all. It is well known before the 2016 election even happened that Putin wanted to undermine American's faith in the democratic process and here you libbies are, falling for it hook, line, and sinker - like wild rabid dogs.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-wants-undermine-u-election-103555927.html

“More than any attempt to get one candidate or another elected, this [Russian influence operation] is about discrediting the entire idea of a free and fair election,” says Dmitri Alperovitch, co-founder and chief technology officer of CrowdStrike, the cybersecurity company that did the analysis of the DNC hack.
 
What examples do you have to support your claim that “left falls right through the trap door.”?

As long as Putin praises Trump, Trump will keep going easy on Putin. Trump has called critics of his coziness with Trump “jealous.” It seems to me Trump has stepped through the trap door, that Putin custom-made just for him, long ago.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-wa...103555927.html

“More than any attempt to get one candidate or another elected, this [Russian influence operation] is about discrediting the entire idea of a free and fair election,” says Dmitri Alperovitch, co-founder and chief technology officer of CrowdStrike, the cybersecurity company that did the analysis of the DNC hack.
 
Not buried at all. It is well known before the 2016 election even happened that Putin wanted to undermine American's faith in the democratic process and here you libbies are, falling for it hook, line, and sinker - like wild rabid dogs.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-wants-undermine-u-election-103555927.html

“More than any attempt to get one candidate or another elected, this [Russian influence operation] is about discrediting the entire idea of a free and fair election,” says Dmitri Alperovitch, co-founder and chief technology officer of CrowdStrike, the cybersecurity company that did the analysis of the DNC hack.

Stay the hell away from me, jerk. You and your juvenile, schoolyard insults can go sit over there with the rest of the semi-rightarded droolers and snotnoses.
 
Stay the hell away from me, jerk. You and your juvenile, schoolyard insults can go sit over there with the rest of the semi-rightarded droolers and snotnoses.

Wow. Really didn't like the fact that I proved my case, did you?
 
Why Americans are such easy targets for trolls and bots

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The only real defense against bots and trolls is an intellectual offense, and we aren’t ready for it.....

Ironic thread considering its based on Salon article that trolls Conservatives, insuates all Fox news viewers are " stoopid " and that attacks Schools that teach creationism

I would expect nothing less from the Op
 
Ironic thread considering its based on Salon article that trolls Conservatives, insuates all Fox news viewers are " stoopid " and that attacks Schools that teach creationism

I would expect nothing less from the Op

Wait a minute. Do public schools in the US teach creationism?
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-wa...103555927.html

“More than any attempt to get one candidate or another elected, this [Russian influence operation] is about discrediting the entire idea of a free and fair election,” says Dmitri Alperovitch, co-founder and chief technology officer of CrowdStrike, the cybersecurity company that did the analysis of the DNC hack.


I don’t see any facts to support your claim that “the left fell through a trap door” in the article from your link. The election intervention was an example of Russians using certain means to accomplish an end, to undermine democracy. I’m sure the vast majority of those who believe there was a Trump campaign/Russian collusion also believe the intervention was to undermine democracy. I don’t know what your pointing out that the goal of undermining democracy by the Russians proves that the belief in collusion was a “trap door” for the left. If anybody fell through a “trap door”, it was Trump Jr. et al who met with the Russians in Trump Tower. They took the bait.
 
I don’t see any facts to support your claim that “the left fell through a trap door” in the article from your link. The election intervention was an example of Russians using certain means to accomplish an end, to undermine democracy. I’m sure the vast majority of those who believe there was a Trump campaign/Russian collusion also believe the intervention was to undermine democracy. I don’t know what your pointing out that the goal of undermining democracy by the Russians proves that the belief in collusion was a “trap door” for the left. If anybody fell through a “trap door”, it was Trump Jr. et al who met with the Russians in Trump Tower. They took the bait.

The Russians wanted to undermine our democracy and the left are rabidly claiming Russian collusion and that we have an illegitimate president - exactly what Russia wanted to accomplish - making Americans doubt our democratic process. The left fell for it hook, line, and sinker - falling right into Russia's hands and what Putin wanted.
 
The Russians wanted to undermine our democracy and the left are rabidly claiming Russian collusion and that we have an illegitimate president - exactly what Russia wanted to accomplish - making Americans doubt our democratic process. The left fell for it hook, line, and sinker - falling right into Russia's hands and what Putin wanted.

Nice strawman. Very few people believe that Russia changed the election.

Most liberals believe:

1. Trump has Russian financial ties that may include money laundering.
2. Trump campaign members conspired with Russians in releasing the hacked emails to Wikileaks.

You can't deny that there is plenty of evidence to suggest both.

Supporting #1: Trump proposed building a tower in Moscow and sought to fund from a Russian state bank.
Supporting #2: Roger Stone's connection with Guccifer 2.0. and a secret meeting with Russians about dirt on Hillary. George Papadopoulos bragging about that the Russians had thousands of Hillary's emails.

If you're a rational person you would concede that #1 and #2 warrant a thorough investigation. All I and many liberals want is that these matters be thoroughly investigated. It seems that Republicans don't want to know and are just obstructing justice.
 
The Russians wanted to undermine our democracy and the left are rabidly claiming Russian collusion and that we have an illegitimate president - exactly what Russia wanted to accomplish - making Americans doubt our democratic process. The left fell for it hook, line, and sinker - falling right into Russia's hands and what Putin wanted.


It is quite logical to question the legitimacy of an election where another country has been proven to have intervened in favor of one particular candidate. In fact, it would be illogical to not question such. If anything, the US failed in keeping the democratic process secure from foreign intervention and the public should rightly express their disapproval. Do you really think people should not have spoken their opinions in this matter, and not have exercised their right of free speech? It is the very nature of our democracy that we do what you complain against. It is more a trap door that right-leaning voters say there was no Russian interference in the 2016 election, even though all our intelligence agencies say so, which lends support to Putin’s position in this matter.
 
It is quite logical to question the legitimacy of an election where another country has been proven to have intervened in favor of one particular candidate. In fact, it would be illogical to not question such. If anything, the US failed in keeping the democratic process secure from foreign intervention and the public should rightly express their disapproval. Do you really think people should not have spoken their opinions in this matter, and not have exercised their right of free speech? It is the very nature of our democracy that we do what you complain against. It is more a trap door that right-leaning voters say there was no Russian interference in the 2016 election, even though all our intelligence agencies say so, which lends support to Putin’s position in this matter.

Obama utterly failed to do anything about Russian meddling at the time it was going on.
 
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Leftists....







Why are they susceptible? Because they WANT to be.
 
Why Americans are such easy targets for trolls and bots

troll-on-internet.jpg


The only real defense against bots and trolls is an intellectual offense, and we aren’t ready for it.....

Simply because trolls reinforce what Americans wanted to believe in the first place. Especially in politics. It's the hard core left and right, the most partisan Republicans and democrats that are the easiest marks. Just give them some red meat and off they go.
 
Capitalism benefits snake-oil salesmen and other con artists. It's not surprising there are more of them around here than in other countries.

There are far more con artists in poorer countries. You have lots too, but the number goes up the poorer the country is.
 
There are far more con artists in poorer countries. You have lots too, but the number goes up the poorer the country is.

Why would a con artist waste his time conning a poor person with nothing to give him? Why steal what you can easily earn? If it takes the same amount of effort to earn a wage legally as it does to steal it then you might as well just earn it. Theft is only fruitful if you can obtain a lot for a little, and in order to do that, you have been around people who have a lot.
 
Why would a con artist waste his time conning a poor person with nothing to give him? Why steal what you can easily earn? If it takes the same amount of effort to earn a wage legally as it does to steal it then you might as well just earn it. Theft is only fruitful if you can obtain a lot for a little, and in order to do that, you have been around people who have a lot.

Because they want their votes.


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Because criminals never want to work for anything. They will always take.
Why do you think the crime rate is higher in poor neighborhoods than wealthy ones?
 
Why would a con artist waste his time conning a poor person with nothing to give him?

If they had nothing to give they’d have no cars, motorcycles or buildings. Someone owns them, capisce? In Brazil con artists will con you for your savings, even though your savings are, to us, meagre. Socialism makes everyone poor, including con artists, who proliferate because law and order sucks. Government cops are lazy, on the take and corrupt, so crime is rarely solved. It's the perfect environment for thieves, con artists, murderers, rapists, etc.

Why steal what you can easily earn?

It’s not easy to earn in Brazil, since it’s hard to find a job, but even so, millions try.

If it takes the same amount of effort to earn a wage legally as it does to steal it then you might as well just earn it.

The majority of people in Brazil don’t steal. They are raised to be honest because it’s safer and more productive to be honest. There will always be a minority of thieves, but this minority is larger in poor, socialist, Catholic or communist countries, because there is less rule of law there. A poor kid with no education will turn to crime because he can, and because he’s hungry. A father will belt that out of him, but women often won’t, so if he’s fatherless there is even more chance he will turn to crime.

Theft is only fruitful if you can obtain a lot for a little, and in order to do that, you have been around people who have a lot.

To test your theory go to Brazil for a year. When you return you can give us a rundown of your experiences with thieves, crooks, thugs, extortionists, rapists, corrupt cops and con artists. I’m predicting it will be about ten pages long.
 
Obama utterly failed to do anything about Russian meddling at the time it was going on.



Are you acknowledging your example of a “trap-door” has been refuted, and you are now simply giving an example of “the other guy did it too” argument? Because the Obama example is no better then the one you gave to begin with. And, you can't even say what the "trap-door" is in this new, incomparable example of yours, let alone what your definition of "trap-door" is.

I repeatedly gave example that refuted what you said. You’re just throwing your own junk against the wall in hopes it will stick after what you’ve been throwing has slid down so easily.
 
Are you acknowledging your example of a “trap-door” has been refuted, and you are now simply giving an example of “the other guy did it too” argument? Because the Obama example is no better then the one you gave to begin with. And, you can't even say what the "trap-door" is in this new, incomparable example of yours, let alone what your definition of "trap-door" is.

I repeatedly gave example that refuted what you said. You’re just throwing your own junk against the wall in hopes it will stick after what you’ve been throwing has slid down so easily.

Two different arguments. The left hypocritically accuses Trump of not doing anything to Russia when Obama didn't do anything to Russia during the time it was going on and failed to stop Russia at the time he could have done something about it. In fact, Obama gave the order to stand down. By the way, Trump kicked out 60 Russian diplomats just today, the biggest show of force against Russia by any country in the world. My trap door argument is about Obama's very own intelligence confirming that Russia's goal was to undermine our elections and here we are after the election, with the left going rabid, claiming that the election was not legitimate and that Trump is not our legitimate president. The left played right into what Russia was trying to accomplish. Funny how in the debate how Hillary blasted Trump for not saying that he would honor the election results and yet she and the left have been crying foul ever since the election.
 
Two different arguments. The left hypocritically accuses Trump of not doing anything to Russia when Obama didn't do anything to Russia during the time it was going on and failed to stop Russia at the time he could have done something about it. In fact, Obama gave the order to stand down. By the way, Trump kicked out 60 Russian diplomats just today, the biggest show of force against Russia by any country in the world. My trap door argument is about Obama's very own intelligence confirming that Russia's goal was to undermine our elections and here we are after the election, with the left going rabid, claiming that the election was not legitimate and that Trump is not our legitimate president. The left played right into what Russia was trying to accomplish. Funny how in the debate how Hillary blasted Trump for not saying that he would honor the election results and yet she and the left have been crying foul ever since the election.



“Obama didn't do anything”

Obama’s job was to defend the integrity of the vote against Putin’s goal of undermining public faith in the US democratic process. There was no evidence of corruption of voter rolls and election tallies by Russia. To have publicized what Russia had done before the election would play into Russia’s efforts to affect and/or discredit the outcome.

What the Obama administration did was alert state officials, fortify cyber defenses, and privately threaten Russia with retaliation (so, that you say “Obama didn’t do anything” is false. Obama did tell Putin person in September “to cut it out” with regard to hacks to influence the election, that it was a “grave matter” and added “there were going to be some serious consequences if he did not” (Obama spoke with Putin 10/31/16 on the Washington-Moscow Hotline). Also, the Obama administration imposed sanctions on Moscow and expelled Russian diplomats from the U.S. at the end of 2016 for interfering in the election. Again, that you say “Obama didn’t do anything”, is false.

Trump, on the other hand, has never unequivicolly stated that Russia interfered in the election and has truly did nothing. He continuously voiced and twittered that Russian interference in the election was a “hoax”. In fact, Trump spoke of a meeting with Putin that "Every time he sees me, he says, ‘I didn't do that.’ And I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it." On 7-6-17, Trump equivocated “Well, I think it was Russia, and I think it could have been other people and other. Could have been a lot of people interfered,” Trump said. “I said it very simply. I think it could very well have been Russia, but I think it could well have been other countries—and I won’t be specific,…”

Not only has Trump done nothing, he has even protected Russia by not imposing sanctions, despite a new law designed to punish Moscow’s alleged meddling in the 2016 U.S. election, insisting the measure was already hitting Russian companies. Then, begrudgingly, Trump signed legislation in August of 2017, overwhelmingly passed by Congress, that leveled new sanctions against Moscow for its behavior. Trump criticized the measure as infringing on his powers to shape foreign policy and said he could make “far better deals” with governments than Congress can. Trump has not even met with responsible department heads to even discuss the subject, as so testified by those department heads before Congress. Can you say what Trump has done, and when, about Russian election interference?

Kicking-out 60 Russian diplomats had nothing to do with the election. I think you know that.

I can only reiterate the “trap-door” thing. You apparently don’t believe people should have spoken out and exercise their right of free speech by stating their logical concerns regarding Russian interference in the election and the possibility that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians. And that’s your example of what the left did to fall through your “trap-door” pretense. What do you think those you criticize should have done? Remember, it was a Republican administration that launched the Mueller probe into the question of collusion.

Hillary questioning the possibility that Russia affected the election outcome is not "crying foul”, as Trump did even before the election. Nor, as in your pretentious implication, did she not honor Trump’s election. She called Trump at 2:30 AM the following morning and conceded the election.
 
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