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Where are you on the Death Penalty?

maxparrish said:
Nor is there evidence that vivid public executions are NOT a deterrent. Therefore one must rely on commonsense; the reminder ti the public of horrific punishment tends to cause at least some people to avoid the behavior they would otherwise do if such punishment did not exist. (Indeed, it is said Vlad the Impaler so terrified his citizens that a gold cup was put in the square of every village...no one daring to steal it.).

Would-be glory seekers would know they won't get a life sentence as some kind of mass killer superstar.

Therefore, even if it only deters a few mass shootings, it is more than justified. Besides justice alone demands the satisfaction of vengeance.
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If your desire is to have the government publicly torture and kill criminals in order to scare the population into submission, then I can think of a few countries you might be prefer to live in.
 
Isn't the death penalty just a Muslim thing these days? Or Asian?
 
Aristaeus said:
Probably not, but emotions are often irrational and a poor basis for a legal system.
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Well in that case libruls should stop screaming for new gun controls every time a mass shooting occurs. It would in no way solve the problem and is just an emotional response of the moment.

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AustralianuS said:
Kill them. It would save us an enormous amount of tax dollars and what are we really missing? Too many people get to live off the land for committing heinous crimes.

I think the homeless should be euthanized just like animals. Give them 3 years max to get their **** together or its off to the crematorium. People always say: "but that homeless person has a family too"....really? If they had a family they wouldn't be homeless.

We need population controls.
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I agree in regards to capital punishment, however not in regards to the homeless. However something different needs to be tried. There is shelter available for most homeless if they take advantage of it. They should put them to work and if the issue drug or alcohol abuse, get them in rehab. Churches aND other charities would step in as they do now.

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ObamacareFail said:
Well in that case libruls should stop screaming for new gun controls every time a mass shooting occurs. It would in no way solve the problem and is just an emotional response of the moment.

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Off topic, but reducing the number of guns in circulation is not an emotional response to shootings, it's a logical one based on real-world results in most other countries in the world.

If someone damages my car, my emotional response may be to want their hands chopped off, is that a valid reason for a court to sentence the criminal to that punishment?
 
Aristaeus said:
Off topic, but reducing the number of guns in circulation is not an emotional response to shootings, it's a logical one based on real-world results in most other countries in the world.

If someone damages my car, my emotional response may be to want their hands chopped off, is that a valid reason for a court to sentence the criminal to that punishment?
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Yep...off topic probably to long....I'll just point out that new gun control laws do not realistically lower the number of guns in circulation. The black market more then fills the gap. Productive responses would be addressing the issue of mental illness and enforcing existing laws meant to prevent the mentally ill from obtaining guns.

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Aristaeus said:
Lol, you have no idea about lethal injections if you think they're painless.
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No one really cares if they are painless. If anyone did care, there's no need for exotic drugs, just a morphine drip till the OD shuts down the system.
 
Aristaeus said:
If your desire is to have the government publicly torture and kill criminals in order to scare the population into submission, then I can think of a few countries you might be prefer to live in.
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No, this is not an islamic nation. The government doesn't publicly torture and kill criminals to scare the population into submission. A jury of 12 peers and a judge determine guilt and punishment in behalf of the people of this nation. Submission has nothing to do with the penalties ordered by the judge subsequent to a jury recommendation. It is revenge and justice for a deed done. Stop blaming an amorphous government for doing what a jury has decided. Juries are composed randomly, from the people, act in behalf of the people, not government.

When you find a better system feel free to live with the one you find wherever.
 
Grand Mal said:
Short of that, aquittal. No?
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No. For example, if you are on video killing someone, and there is both eyewitnesses and other evidence that puts you at the scene, I'm for the death penalty. If there is only an eye witness and some other minor evidence but you are found guilty, you go to prison for however long the jury sees fit.
 
OldFatGuy said:
No, this is not an islamic nation. The government doesn't publicly torture and kill criminals to scare the population into submission. A jury of 12 peers and a judge determine guilt and punishment in behalf of the people of this nation. Submission has nothing to do with the penalties ordered by the judge subsequent to a jury recommendation. It is revenge and justice for a deed done. Stop blaming an amorphous government for doing what a jury has decided. Juries are composed randomly, from the people, act in behalf of the people, not government.

When you find a better system feel free to live with the one you find wherever.
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I was responding to another poster who did want the US government to publicly torture and kill convicts to instill fear into the population. He even cited Genghis Khan as a role model of how the US justice system should operate.

Back to your point, a jury can only choose options which the government has permitted, so yes, I will blame a government if that country has the death penalty.
 
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It's just a well known fact that death penalty more expensive then life in prison in US.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Not for all of them. Eventually, if they survive in prison they become acclimated to life in prison. At that point it's no longer punishment. Some death row inmates in my state who have been on death row for longer then 2 decades are still fighting their execution dates.
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well, maybe for a socialist living in a place with no freedom, strict rules, and observation sounds good. for me, even getting "acclimated" would be torture. I would rather be killed.
 
lefty louie said:
No. For example, if you are on video killing someone, and there is both eyewitnesses and other evidence that puts you at the scene, I'm for the death penalty. If there is only an eye witness and some other minor evidence but you are found guilty, you go to prison for however long the jury sees fit.
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Does not work that way. Your courts run on the idea of "beyond reasonable doubt"

Beyond a Reasonable Doubt. The standard that must be met by the prosecution's evidence in a criminal prosecution: that no other logical explanation can be derived from the facts except that the defendant committed the crime, thereby overcoming the presumption that a person is innocent until proven guilty.
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So a finding of guilty means the person is guilty. Not that the evidence is suspect enough to reduce the sentence.
 
Aristaeus said:
I was responding to another poster who did want the US government to publicly torture and kill convicts to instill fear into the population. He even cited Genghis Khan as a role model of how the US justice system should operate.

Back to your point, a jury can only choose options which the government has permitted, so yes, I will blame a government if that country has the death penalty.
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I am literate and I can follow a thread. Do not insult my intelligence, I will not insult yours.

The government is the people whether you will admit or not. Regardless of administrators' opinions, the government is not here to be served by the people, it is here to serve the people. It is not an entity unto itself. In multiple states when laws have been altered to omit the death penalty, the voices of the people have demanded it be reinstated. NYS is such an example. There are others.

The death penalty is not about creating fear, it is a reckoning, a retribution. You can now stop conflating torture with the death penalty.
 
AustralianuS said:
It's just a well known fact that death penalty more expensive then life in prison in US.
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Prove it. Repeating yourself doesn't make it true. The cost of a 50 foot rope is $32 or so, the use of a tree, free. A hotshot of heroin bought on the street, $20, an equivalent dose of morphine from a hospital pharmacy, $12.

"How much does it cost to support a prisoner for life? Cases without the death penalty cost $740,000, while cases where the death penalty is sought cost $1.26 million. Maintaining each death row prisoner costs taxpayers $90,000 more per year than a prisoner in general population." - report from the California Penal System to the state legislature 2016

It cost the State of Texas $83 to execute the last prisoner put to death this past year. The cost of prosecution and defense against the appeals, $310k.

No, it is not a well known fact, and not even a fact.
 
Death penalty should be rare.

Only in cases where thugs tried to kill a cop or were caught with an illegal gun.

That's about it.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Learn how to read. And read the entire thread. You make yourself out the fool.

Had you read my previous posts you would have read the following:

"This woman should not have been driving. This was her moral decision to drive for her convenience, knowing she was a danger to all others. Nothing will bring those two children back to their mothers. Yet her illnesses are not an excuse for her moral decision. I have no pity for her. She is a murderer. I want her to live. I want her to suffer with her guilt until MS kills her."

Now you can apologize for running off at the mouth.
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Fine, you weren't making an excuse for manslaughter...which makes your prior reply to the poster curious.
 
Aristaeus said:
If your desire is to have the government publicly torture and kill criminals in order to scare the population into submission, then I can think of a few countries you might be prefer to live in.
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Apparently I think more highly of the population than you do - they aren't the ones needing scared into "submission". Rather those few who might conduct a mass murder of school children ought to frightened into "submission".
 
OldFatGuy said:
Learn how to read. And read the entire thread. You make yourself out the fool.

Had you read my previous posts you would have read the following:...

Now you can apologize for running off at the mouth.
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And, by the way, I apologize.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Prove it. Repeating yourself doesn't make it true. The cost of a 50 foot rope is $32 or so, the use of a tree, free. A hotshot of heroin bought on the street, $20, an equivalent dose of morphine from a hospital pharmacy, $12.

"How much does it cost to support a prisoner for life? Cases without the death penalty cost $740,000, while cases where the death penalty is sought cost $1.26 million. Maintaining each death row prisoner costs taxpayers $90,000 more per year than a prisoner in general population." - report from the California Penal System to the state legislature 2016

It cost the State of Texas $83 to execute the last prisoner put to death this past year. The cost of prosecution and defense against the appeals, $310k.

No, it is not a well known fact, and not even a fact.
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DP costs taxpayers more than life. Simple as that - and it has everything to do with the justice system.
 
maxparrish said:
Fine, you weren't making an excuse for manslaughter...which makes your prior reply to the poster curious.
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It's all about comprehension, yours.
 
lefty louie said:
No. For example, if you are on video killing someone, and there is both eyewitnesses and other evidence that puts you at the scene, I'm for the death penalty. If there is only an eye witness and some other minor evidence but you are found guilty, you go to prison for however long the jury sees fit.
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Why? Why would you create a double standard? It’s perfectly acceptable to use the same standard of evidence DP or Not
 
Vox said:
Death penalty should be rare.

Only in cases where thugs tried to kill a cop or were caught with an illegal gun.

That's about it.
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Do you exempt serial killers who rape, murder and cannibalize their child victims and don't use guns?
 
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