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Where are you on the Death Penalty?

Reformedfindlay said:
Loaded statistic, many 3rd world nations hardly have a legal system, and whatever rudimentary systems they do have they probably can barely do **** with.

America most certainly doesn't house 25% of all the criminals in the world, just use your brain my guy.
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I( have to laugh when a fool answer me with bull ****, and then thinks he is spouting something no one else knows. In the first place, I did not say it was 25% of the criminals. Only an idiot would think that was possible. The article does say 25% of the worlds "PRISONERS", and you offer nothing to refute it just as you offer nothing to show that the German system is not superior to ours. If you decide to respond again please do so with some kind of intelligent thought.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Absolutely I do, and so do they. You don't speak for them. You weren't murdered. Victims have rights and those rights supersede the rights of the criminals who murder them.
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When they are dead they have no rights, or a voice to demand those "rights". "Victims" only have rights when they can demand such.


Ecclesiastes 9: 5,6

"For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even their name is forgotten.

Their love, their hate
and their jealousy have long since vanished;
never again will they have a part
in anything that happens under the sun."
 
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I'm opposed to the death sentence in all cases, even Hitler or Bin Laden.
 
If one person "falls through the cracks" and is executed in error, then that is one too many for the "death penalty" to be considered a "reasonable" form of punishment.
 
Old Trapper said:
When they are dead they have no rights, or a voice to demand those "rights". "Victims" only have rights when they can demand such.
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Horse manure.

No doubt, you've never been physically victimized. There's a reason why we prosecute murderers. That reason is the rights of the victim. Everything else is rationalization. This is the moment when revenge and justice merge.

Tho I hope it never happens, speak to me when someone you truly love is randomly murdered, or just murdered. We'll see how forgiving you are then.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I'm against the death penalty on religious grounds. In Christianity no one is beyond redemption. The apostle Paul was guilty of murdering the apostle Stephen but he was redeemed and became a great Christian.

The other issue is you can't ever know with 100% certainty that someone is guilty. Even with Cruz, we can't know with 100% that he was genuinely responsible for his actions and not mentally impaired. Maybe he's mildly retarded and that in combination with the death of his parents and some bullying resulted in his horrific actions.

We should accept the limitations of human justice and avoid imposing the ultimate penalty.
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The death penalty helps the poor souls go to God on the express lane.. And they even pause so you may have a final prayer...
 
Old Trapper said:
I( have to laugh when a fool answer me with bull ****, and then thinks he is spouting something no one else knows. In the first place, I did not say it was 25% of the criminals. Only an idiot would think that was possible. The article does say 25% of the worlds "PRISONERS", and you offer nothing to refute it just as you offer nothing to show that the German system is not superior to ours. If you decide to respond again please do so with some kind of intelligent thought.
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The article states 25% of the world's prisoners and fails to mention that the world is lacking a ton of prisoners due to ****ty legal systems across vast swaths of said world that fail to incarcerate people and lock them up.

I could care less about the European way (I'm well aware of how they operate prisons in places like Germany and even more notably some of the nordic countries) of managing prisons, I merely take issue with the statistic.

From the article, "After 30 years of being Tough on Crime in the U.S., no other nation incarcerates more of its citizens than we do. We have five percent of the world’s population, but 25 percent of its prisoners." That's an undoubtedly loaded statistic.

Also, you might wanna go easy on all the names, I for one don't give a ****, but if a mod sees it you can find yourself getting some points.
 
TNHarley said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/s...-on-17-counts-of-murder/ar-BBJYtHi?li=BBnb7Kz
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was formally charged Wednesday with 17 counts of first-degree murder, which could mean a death sentence if he is convicted.

The indictment returned by a grand jury in Fort Lauderdale also charges the 19-year-old with 17 counts of attempted murder for the Valentine's Day massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland in which 17 people died and more than a dozen others were wounded.

Cruz's public defender has said he will plead guilty if prosecutors take the death penalty off the table, which would mean a life prison sentence. The Broward County state attorney has not announced a decision on the death penalty.
Personally, i wish the cops that found him put a bullet in his head so we wouldnt have to worry about this crap.
I am ok with the death penalty in some cases. This one being one of them.
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Im completely against it in this case. There is much to be learned from getting inside this kids head. He may be the key to learning how to prevent future shootings.

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jdog said:
The State cannot usurp the power to kill Citizens legally either. The US system is supposed to be one in which the government is subservient to the Citizens.
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Why cant they
 
Vetplus40 said:
If one person "falls through the cracks" and is executed in error, then that is one too many for the "death penalty" to be considered a "reasonable" form of punishment.
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Whats the difference between that and wrongfully convicting of other crimes? Such as receiving 30 years for armed robbery and rape.
 
Mr Person said:
Is the execution of innocents then acceptable because we have also executed the guilty?

"No problem" is a very broad statement.
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I agree.
Is it ok to choose who has the right to live or to die?
We all can empathize with the loved ones of victims wanting closure, justice, even some sort of revenge. Everyone deals with this type of grief on a different level. We also have to ask us what is accomplished by putting such a tortured soul to death. Does it fill a void? Is justice really served? Who are we to be for or against the DP unless we have experienced the loss of someone dear to us?
Count me as undecided, leaning against the death penalty for Christian and humanitarian reasons.
 
Lovebug said:
I agree.
Is it ok to choose who has the right to live or to die?
We all can empathize with the loved ones of victims wanting closure, justice, even some sort of revenge. Everyone deals with this type of grief on a different level. We also have to ask us what is accomplished by putting such a tortured soul to death. Does it fill a void? Is justice really served? Who are we to be for or against the DP unless we have experienced the loss of someone dear to us?
Count me as undecided, leaning against the death penalty for Christian and humanitarian reasons.
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I just want to start by saying i completely understand both sides of this issue.
My thing is, can they be trusted in society?
Do they deserve to be feed, clothed and housed for the rest of their lives at our expense? Then comes the argument of cost of housing VS execution.
Ugh its so complicated imo
 
TNHarley said:
I just want to start by saying i completely understand both sides of this issue.
My thing is, can they be trusted in society?
Do they deserve to be feed, clothed and housed for the rest of their lives at our expense? Then comes the argument of cost of housing VS execution.
Ugh its so complicated imo
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Most jails are not the Hilton. Just imagine yourself, being bound by chains and handcuffs, being told what to do every minute of the day, not being able to go where you like, eat what you like, sleep when you want. Now imagine some of the big house bullies surrounding you, demanding from you...
Food, water and shelter is good. When you take away my freedom, that, to me, is more of a punishment than a needle in my arm and eternal sleep.
I watched a few repeat episodes of Criminal Minds last night. Spencer Reid being jailed. Of course it is fiction, but it doesn't leave much to the imagination. To think "what if"?
 
TNHarley said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/s...-on-17-counts-of-murder/ar-BBJYtHi?li=BBnb7Kz
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was formally charged Wednesday with 17 counts of first-degree murder, which could mean a death sentence if he is convicted.

The indictment returned by a grand jury in Fort Lauderdale also charges the 19-year-old with 17 counts of attempted murder for the Valentine's Day massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland in which 17 people died and more than a dozen others were wounded.

Cruz's public defender has said he will plead guilty if prosecutors take the death penalty off the table, which would mean a life prison sentence. The Broward County state attorney has not announced a decision on the death penalty.
Personally, i wish the cops that found him put a bullet in his head so we wouldnt have to worry about this crap.
I am ok with the death penalty in some cases. This one being one of them.
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All for the death penalty.
 
TNHarley said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/s...-on-17-counts-of-murder/ar-BBJYtHi?li=BBnb7Kz
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was formally charged Wednesday with 17 counts of first-degree murder, which could mean a death sentence if he is convicted.

The indictment returned by a grand jury in Fort Lauderdale also charges the 19-year-old with 17 counts of attempted murder for the Valentine's Day massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland in which 17 people died and more than a dozen others were wounded.

Cruz's public defender has said he will plead guilty if prosecutors take the death penalty off the table, which would mean a life prison sentence. The Broward County state attorney has not announced a decision on the death penalty.
Personally, i wish the cops that found him put a bullet in his head so we wouldnt have to worry about this crap.
I am ok with the death penalty in some cases. This one being one of them.
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All for the death penalty and in cases like this, when it can be simply proven that you actually did such a thing.

I would fully support an express lane treatment.
 
Lovebug said:
Most jails are not the Hilton. Just imagine yourself, being bound by chains and handcuffs, being told what to do every minute of the day, not being able to go where you like, eat what you like, sleep when you want. Now imagine some of the big house bullies surrounding you, demanding from you...
Food, water and shelter is good. When you take away my freedom, that, to me, is more of a punishment than a needle in my arm and eternal sleep.
I watched a few repeat episodes of Criminal Minds last night. Spencer Reid being jailed. Of course it is fiction, but it doesn't leave much to the imagination. To think "what if"?
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The number one animal instinct is survival.
I do understand your point though. I even googled prison suicide rate, and it is on the rise. It also has more suicides with no relationship to mental illness, compared to the general public...
Interesting. Thanks for making me think.
 
When there is no doubt of guilt, as in this case, I am all for the death penalty.
 
TNHarley said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/s...-on-17-counts-of-murder/ar-BBJYtHi?li=BBnb7Kz
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was formally charged Wednesday with 17 counts of first-degree murder, which could mean a death sentence if he is convicted.

The indictment returned by a grand jury in Fort Lauderdale also charges the 19-year-old with 17 counts of attempted murder for the Valentine's Day massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland in which 17 people died and more than a dozen others were wounded.

Cruz's public defender has said he will plead guilty if prosecutors take the death penalty off the table, which would mean a life prison sentence. The Broward County state attorney has not announced a decision on the death penalty.
Personally, i wish the cops that found him put a bullet in his head so we wouldnt have to worry about this crap.
I am ok with the death penalty in some cases. This one being one of them.
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Personally the death penalty is something of the past, that is not truely compatible for todays society. Don't get me wrong child molesters, mass killers and murders are twisted and warped in their ways.

It is such a complex topic, many of perceptions I am unsure and unable to comprehend, however it seems to alway fail to get mentioned. Each and every person even those mass murderers have a background, a background which may have contributed or aided them in conducting what they did. In no way does it validate or triumph what they do, but rather insights into why they may have done it. It is this study that could very well allow frameworks and constructs to be put into place, in order to stop future happenings of that or this nature. I would prefer to eradicate crime or at least diminish than let it continue happening and continuing punishing. Complacency is the key notion in this instance, complacency relating to imprisonment.

It is all well and good to continue imprisoning individuals, but quite clearly as highlighted through the decades it doesn't act as a clear deterrent thus it becomes necessary to stop it at the source. The source being children, education and financial aid to limit and eradicate the poverty cycle that instils this violence in our world.
 
goldkam said:
The source being children, education and financial aid to limit and eradicate the poverty cycle that instils this violence in our world.
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I was with you until this last sentence.
We have been POURING money into that for decades. While it can be true, our leaders are just complete morons and cant figure it out... maybe we should vote in people more capable of actually fixing problems instead of creating more, with band aids.
I dont see that happening.. lol
 
TNHarley said:
I was with you until this last sentence.
We have been POURING money into that for decades. While it can be true, our leaders are just complete morons and cant figure it out... maybe we should vote in people more capable of actually fixing problems instead of creating more, with band aids.
I dont see that happening.. lol
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It is all well and good to be 'pouring' this money into these problems, however it is how and where this money is utilised that accentuates its level of effectiveness. For example you could spend millions of dollars on new scientific labs for a new scientific research facility but by putting economists and business managers in there is counterproductive and a waste of vital resources.

I agree, the leaders are not doing enough nor are they strategically allocating the resources in the correct areas.
 
Lovebug said:
I agree.
Is it ok to choose who has the right to live or to die?
We all can empathize with the loved ones of victims wanting closure, justice, even some sort of revenge. Everyone deals with this type of grief on a different level. We also have to ask us what is accomplished by putting such a tortured soul to death. Does it fill a void? Is justice really served? Who are we to be for or against the DP unless we have experienced the loss of someone dear to us?
Count me as undecided, leaning against the death penalty for Christian and humanitarian reasons.
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Another issue with capital punishment is that it requires someone to carry it out. I'm not a fan of the gov paying people to kill others.

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goldkam said:
It is all well and good to be 'pouring' this money into these problems, however it is how and where this money is utilised that accentuates its level of effectiveness. For example you could spend millions of dollars on new scientific labs for a new scientific research facility but by putting economists and business managers in there is counterproductive and a waste of vital resources.

I agree, the leaders are not doing enough nor are they strategically allocating the resources in the correct areas.
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That dont much of anything in the "correct areas" lol
It is so much easier to appreciate govt at the local level.. Which is where that stuff should be coming from in the first place considering the fed gov has no authority to be doing that stuff.
 
trouble13 said:
Another issue with capital punishment is that it requires someone to carry it out. I'm not a fan of the gov paying people to kill others.

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So we dont need a military?
 
Funny thing about killing someone, whether it's legally or illegally done, with very few exceptions, the killer always feels like they are doing the right thing, for the right reasons.

Here's what it comes down to for me: Thou shalt not kill.

It's not Thou shalt not kill, unless someone else kills first, and eye for an eye ended after the old testament, to be replaced by turn the other cheek.

Now, if Biblical justifications don't do it for you, that's cool. But a big majority of people who support the death penalty also identify as Christians. That is a direct contradiction. Not that it would be the first...

By all means, protect society, throw them in a cell and let them rot until God figures out what to do with them. But we should not sink to their level. They're in trouble for making the same decision government makes...they thought it was up to them who gets to live and die.
 
TNHarley said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/s...-on-17-counts-of-murder/ar-BBJYtHi?li=BBnb7Kz
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was formally charged Wednesday with 17 counts of first-degree murder, which could mean a death sentence if he is convicted.

The indictment returned by a grand jury in Fort Lauderdale also charges the 19-year-old with 17 counts of attempted murder for the Valentine's Day massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland in which 17 people died and more than a dozen others were wounded.

Cruz's public defender has said he will plead guilty if prosecutors take the death penalty off the table, which would mean a life prison sentence. The Broward County state attorney has not announced a decision on the death penalty.
Personally, i wish the cops that found him put a bullet in his head so we wouldnt have to worry about this crap.
I am ok with the death penalty in some cases. This one being one of them.
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What I find interesting is that many who are pro life are also for the death penalty.
 
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