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    Re: Where are you on the Death Penalty?

    I am all for the death penalty providing that the person on trial for the crime has all the same resources of the state at their disposal at their trial and appeal.
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    Re: Where are you on the Death Penalty?

    Quote Originally Posted by ud_meister View Post
    I'm for the death penalty where there is no doubt of who committed the crime, and the offender showed a disregard for their victims. Both apply in this case.
    And if this young man had a psychotic episode which prompted the shooting would you think different. He is an angry young man, instead of ostracisizing him by expulsion he should have been in therapy. I'm not in favour of executing a mentally ill person.
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    Re: Where are you on the Death Penalty?

    Quote Originally Posted by yankintx View Post
    And if this young man had a psychotic episode which prompted the shooting would you think different. He is an angry young man, instead of ostracisizing him by expulsion he should have been in therapy. I'm not in favour of executing a mentally ill person.

    I would agree; No one in their 'right mind' would go and shoot up a school full of kids, IMO ........
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    Re: Where are you on the Death Penalty?

    Quote Originally Posted by TNHarley View Post
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sc...tHi?li=BBnb7Kz
    FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was formally charged Wednesday with 17 counts of first-degree murder, which could mean a death sentence if he is convicted.

    The indictment returned by a grand jury in Fort Lauderdale also charges the 19-year-old with 17 counts of attempted murder for the Valentine's Day massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland in which 17 people died and more than a dozen others were wounded.

    Cruz's public defender has said he will plead guilty if prosecutors take the death penalty off the table, which would mean a life prison sentence. The Broward County state attorney has not announced a decision on the death penalty.
    Personally, i wish the cops that found him put a bullet in his head so we wouldnt have to worry about this crap.
    I am ok with the death penalty in some cases. This one being one of them.
    Absolutely against it. Why? As badly as some deserve to be put to death, if we allow the death penalty, then there are going to be some innocents who slip through the cracks and who are wrongfully executed - just look at the Innocence Project's track record at getting innocent people taken off death row (usually by presenting DNA evidence that was either unavailable or simply untested at the time). Ten thousand "proper" executions do not justify even one execution of an innocent man or woman.
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    Re: Where are you on the Death Penalty?

    Quote Originally Posted by TNHarley View Post
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sc...tHi?li=BBnb7Kz
    FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was formally charged Wednesday with 17 counts of first-degree murder, which could mean a death sentence if he is convicted.

    The indictment returned by a grand jury in Fort Lauderdale also charges the 19-year-old with 17 counts of attempted murder for the Valentine's Day massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland in which 17 people died and more than a dozen others were wounded.

    Cruz's public defender has said he will plead guilty if prosecutors take the death penalty off the table, which would mean a life prison sentence. The Broward County state attorney has not announced a decision on the death penalty.
    Personally, i wish the cops that found him put a bullet in his head so we wouldnt have to worry about this crap.
    I am ok with the death penalty in some cases. This one being one of them.
    I am opposed to the death penalty in all circumstances and oppose the death penalty here too.

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    Re: Where are you on the Death Penalty?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I'm for the death penalty where there is no doubt of who committed the crime, and the offender showed a disregard for their victims. Both apply in this case.
    I would feel no remorse if they killed him, but I think this has to be looked at from a systemic perspective.


    The question should not be "how do I feel if this person is executed?" The question should be "looking at who we executed, at who has been proven innocent before and after conviction, and at all whom could not be proven innocent afterwards because of lesser technologies in earlier times, is this a system we can morally support?"

    I say no.

    (I also tend to think that life in prison may very well be worse, particularly in Supermax. BUT, I do not claim to know and do not assert this as a certainty).



    I further think that it is worth listening to what a brilliant author who was saved from execution at more or less the last moment has to say.....

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    "This is not my own fantastical opinion—many people have thought the same; but I feel it so deeply that I'll tell you what I think. I believe that to execute a man for murder is to punish him immeasurably more dreadfully than is equivalent to his crime. A murder by sentence is far more dreadful than a murder committed by a criminal. The man who is attacked by robbers at night, in a dark wood, or anywhere, undoubtedly hopes and hopes that he may yet escape until the very moment of his death. There are plenty of instances of a man running away, or imploring for mercy—at all events hoping on in some degree—even after his throat was cut. But in the case of an execution, that last hope—having which it is so immeasurably less dreadful to die,—is taken away from the wretch and certainty substituted in its place! There is his sentence, and with it that terrible certainty that he cannot possibly escape death—which, I consider, must be the most dreadful anguish in the world. You may place a soldier before a cannon's mouth in battle, and fire upon him—and he will still hope. But read to that same soldier his death-sentence, and he will either go mad or burst into tears. Who dares to say that any man can suffer this without going mad? No, no! it is an abuse, a shame, it is unnecessary—why should such a thing exist? Doubtless there may be men who have been sentenced, who have suffered this mental anguish for a while and then have been reprieved; perhaps such men may have been able to relate their feelings afterwards. Our Lord Christ spoke of this anguish and dread. No! no! no! No man should be treated so, no man, no man!"


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    Re: Where are you on the Death Penalty?

    Quote Originally Posted by yankintx View Post
    And if this young man had a psychotic episode which prompted the shooting would you think different. He is an angry young man, instead of ostracisizing him by expulsion he should have been in therapy. I'm not in favour of executing a mentally ill person.
    I would think differently. However, he'd planned and premeditated the shooting, it was not a random act of violence, but a calculated act of cruelty, which is what makes it worthy of the death penalty.
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    Re: Where are you on the Death Penalty?

    Quote Originally Posted by cuban smokes View Post
    I would agree; No one in their 'right mind' would go and shoot up a school full of kids, IMO ........
    What other proof is needed that he's crazy?

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    Re: Where are you on the Death Penalty?

    Quote Originally Posted by TNHarley View Post
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sc...tHi?li=BBnb7Kz
    FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was formally charged Wednesday with 17 counts of first-degree murder, which could mean a death sentence if he is convicted.

    The indictment returned by a grand jury in Fort Lauderdale also charges the 19-year-old with 17 counts of attempted murder for the Valentine's Day massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland in which 17 people died and more than a dozen others were wounded.

    Cruz's public defender has said he will plead guilty if prosecutors take the death penalty off the table, which would mean a life prison sentence. The Broward County state attorney has not announced a decision on the death penalty.
    Personally, i wish the cops that found him put a bullet in his head so we wouldnt have to worry about this crap.
    I am ok with the death penalty in some cases. This one being one of them.
    I have no problem with the death penalty. I also have no problem with letting him live in gen pop in prison. There are a lot of things that people in prison do that are horrible. But one thing I have noticed is that almost universally they despise people that mess with children. So either way Cruz is in for a short life span. And I have no problem with it.
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    Re: Where are you on the Death Penalty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I have no problem with the death penalty. I also have no problem with letting him live in gen pop in prison. There are a lot of things that people in prison do that are horrible. But one thing I have noticed is that almost universally they despise people that mess with children. So either way Cruz is in for a short life span. And I have no problem with it.
    Is the execution of innocents then acceptable because we have also executed the guilty?

    "No problem" is a very broad statement.

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