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Perotista said:
I highly doubt Trump had any plans for Romney to be Secretary of State. Not when Romney dissed Trump big time joining G.H.W and Jeb Bush as anti-Trumpers. The fact Trump succeeded getting Romney to an interview at Trump Towers made it look like Romney was begging on his knees for forgiveness. There's no way Trump was considering Romney, not with their feud going on hot and heavy.
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Or....
Trump was playing Romney, all the back-patting and maybe a "No hard feelings" thrown in for seasoning with the SOS offer...and then dumped him as a possible candidate as a way to humilate him.
 
yankintx said:
Steeles track record with the truth seems more reliable than Trumps version of what he calls the truth. This is the end result when you vote for a man with no integrity. But please, you carry on lowering the bar.
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Actually, I voted for Johnson, not Trump. Not that any kind of vote on my part could have shifted the election in a million years; I'm a Georgian, so nothing short of a kid-diddling candidate like Roy Moore will ever turn my state blue.

Regardless, the alleged piss tape bit is simply ridiculous. With everything else we've dug up about Trump's sex life so far, we'd surely have some kind of evidence that he has a piss fetish.
 
hanger4 said:
Which has nothing to do with the dossier. Lawdy
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To be fair, there likely wouldn't have been an investigation without the dossier. It hasn't been entirely verified, and there's a part or two that I think are completely false, but it is largely to thank for the FBI investigation even happening.
 
RAMOSS said:
On the other hand, you also have to understand the limitations of the dossier. Steele was dealing with raw data.. the dossier can provide pointers, but has to be independently verified.
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My only point was that Steele so far has been on the mark. Judging by Trumps refusal to enact any additional measures on a country who interfered in our election process, its not out of the question to suspect Trump has been compromised by the Russians. I will leave it to Mueller and his final analysis.

But hey, Donny says Vlad looked him in the eye and said Russia had zero interference. Trump is beholden to Vlad, or Trump is a very naive person to believe Putin. Either way, it does not look good.
 
Mr Person said:
The dossier, which was a small part of the evidence considered by the FISA court that issued then later renewed warrants for surveillance on Carter Page, which was part of the grander investigation into Russian interference, potential collusion, and anything else Meuller might turn up?







"Lawdy" indeed.

:doh
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You explained absolutely no connection of the dossier to the three guilty pleas or Manaforts indictments. Nor did you connect the 13 Russian individuals and 3 Russian businesses (I believe) indictments.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
I agree with most of that, however the media is now laying in the bed they made. Increased skepticism is a natural reaction as the media has shown an increasing tendacy over time to embellish or outright fabricate a story.

Just like if you catch me lying to you once, that's one thing, but if I repeatedly do it you would only naturally be correct to be untrusting of even the most mundane things I would say.
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Who lied here, man?

Business Insider?

Steele?


My point is that even though the info he gave wasn't relied on as much as certain RW media sources say, it did play a part AND it has lead to actual stuff. It's not garbage. It may be biased, but bias doesn't mean falsehood.

I mean, I despise Trump. But if I truly witness him shooting someone dead on 5th Ave, then report it to the authorities....well, my bias doesn't make me wrong. It just means that maybe someone looks for a bit more corroboration.
 
RAMOSS said:
On the other hand, you also have to understand the limitations of the dossier. Steele was dealing with raw data.. the dossier can provide pointers, but has to be independently verified.
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After taking a look at the scenario, it appears that the piss tape nonsense was in Mr. Steele's dossier. A large part of the rest of it seems clearly accurate to me, but the piss tape part just doesn't seem like Trump. The man has a strong aversion to a number of bodily fluids to the point that his first reaction to someone getting injured is disgust, he's a germophobe, and according to that Stormy Daniels girl, he just isn't that creative in the bedroom.

Russian collusion? Clearly. Trump wetting his willie with whore whizz? Obviously fictitious.
 
Jesse Booth said:
Actually, I voted for Johnson, not Trump. Not that any kind of vote on my part could have shifted the election in a million years; I'm a Georgian, so nothing short of a kid-diddling candidate like Roy Moore will ever turn my state blue.

Regardless, the alleged piss tape bit is simply ridiculous. With everything else we've dug up about Trump's sex life so far, we'd surely have some kind of evidence that he has a piss fetish.
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The man gets his lays to sign ironclad non disclosure agreements. Just ask his first wife about the rape allegation Trump had sewn up in their divorce agreement. The guy grabs strange ******s and bangs adult film actress. He is not that much of a germaphobe, not from were I sit.
 
Mr Person said:
Multiple people indicted, multiple people pled guilty, and the investigation is still going.
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Sounds like Hillary and the Clinton Foundation. How many people were given immunity and pleaded the fifth?
 
hanger4 said:
You explained absolutely no connection of the dossier to the three guilty pleas or Manaforts indictments. Nor did you connect the 13 Russian individuals and 3 Russian businesses (I believe) indictments.
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Disclosure: I tend not to spend too much time responding to posters who ignore publicly available information and also demand that something proven to their personal satisfaction.

This is no witch hunt. Publicly available facts demonstrate that. If someone denies it, well, I'll let out a deep sigh as I contemplate the future of our so-called "democracy".....
 
Jesse Booth said:
After taking a look at the scenario, it appears that the piss tape nonsense was in Mr. Steele's dossier. A large part of the rest of it seems clearly accurate to me, but the piss tape part just doesn't seem like Trump. The man has a strong aversion to a number of bodily fluids to the point that his first reaction to someone getting injured is disgust, he's a germophobe, and according to that Stormy Daniels girl, he just isn't that creative in the bedroom.

Russian collusion? Clearly. Trump wetting his willie with whore whizz? Obviously fictitious.
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Yes.. it was. However, remember, what the dossier is. It's raw data that he got through his russian contacts. (at least one who got killed because of the information provided)
 
Jesse Booth said:
To be fair, there likely wouldn't have been an investigation without the dossier. It hasn't been entirely verified, and there's a part or two that I think are completely false, but it is largely to thank for the FBI investigation even happening.
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Papadopoulos triggered the FBI's Russia investigation, the Steele dossier was/is nothing more than unsubstantiated oppo research.
 
justabubba said:
Christopher Steele claims Kremlin told Trump not to nominate Romney secretary of state - Business Insider




somehow, i believe the American public would become outraged - even many of the tRump loyalists - to learn that tRump had given putin veto power over his cabinet selection
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Is this in reference to the second dossier of Steele where he obtained his information from Sidney Blumenthal and Cody Shearer through members of the Obama State Department?

This is bull**** at its finest.

How about review Bubba.

The original dossier composed by Steele was paid for by the Clinton Campaign and the DNC.

The investigation of Russian interference in the Trump campaign started with a tip to the FBI from an Australian ambassador who had over a decade long relationship with the Clintons and donated 25 million to the Clinton Foundation.

The second dossier that we recently learned about, the information was provided to Steele through Sidney Blumenthal and Cody Shearer. Two of the biggest political hacks in Washington and long time friends of the Clinton's. The second dossier was as if Clinton buddies told Steele what to write.

So lets connect the dots. Clinton to Clinton to Clinton.

This needs to be investigated by a special counsel.
 
yankintx said:
The man gets his lays to sign ironclad non disclosure agreements. Just ask his first wife about the rape allegation Trump had sewn up in their divorce agreement. The guy grabs strange ******s and bangs adult film actress. He is not that much of a germaphobe, not from were I sit.
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And yet he's disgusted by every fluid that comes out of the human body, from blood to sweat. SWEAT provokes a disgust response from the man. I just don't see room for a piss fetish in his temperament.

 
Roadvirus said:
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Trump was playing Romney, all the back-patting and maybe a "No hard feelings" thrown in for seasoning with the SOS offer...and then dumped him as a possible candidate as a way to humilate him.
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Pretty much. Trump wanted Romney to grovel before him and Romney did exactly that. Trump played Romney who dared speak out against him. Here's what Romney said about Trump.
"Here's what I know: Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud," Romney said. "His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University. He's playing members of the American public for suckers: He gets a free ride to the White House, and all we get is a lousy hat."
Romney said that "dishonesty is Donald Trump's hallmark," pointing to his "bullying, the greed, the showing off, the misogyny, the absurd third-grade the

https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/mitt-romney-presidential-race-speech/index.html

It's just like the egotistical Trump to put Romney in his place.
 
hanger4 said:
Papadopoulos triggered the FBI's Russia investigation, the Steele dossier was/is nothing more than unsubstantiated oppo research.
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Okay, it seems that the stuff I tried ignoring for a while last year is a bit hard to keep straight.

The dossier at least provided leads, I'm sure.
 
Mr Person said:
Who lied here, man?

Business Insider?

Steele?


My point is that even though the info he gave wasn't relied on as much as certain RW media sources say, it did play a part AND it has lead to actual stuff. It's not garbage. It may be biased, but bias doesn't mean falsehood.

I mean, I despise Trump. But if I truly witness him shooting someone dead on 5th Ave, then report it to the authorities....well, my bias doesn't make me wrong. It just means that maybe someone looks for a bit more corroboration.
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The media has been caught doing a lot of that lately. As to the bias, that is the reason for the big grain of salt.

Somewhere, there is a balance between confirmation bias and out and outright discounting anything reported. It is up to us, as the consumer of news, to find that balance. Sorting the chaff from the wheat is not always easy.
 
Jesse Booth said:
And yet he's disgusted by every fluid that comes out of the human body, from blood to sweat. SWEAT provokes a disgust response from the man. I just don't see room for a piss fetish in his temperament.

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If you want to believe Trumps body guard that the girls sent over by Putin were turned away go ahead. Trump would be so flattered by Putin's gift he would not say no. So far Trump is bending over for Putin and smiling. Why ?

Something smells fishy, big time !!
 
Slingshot Bob said:
The media has been caught doing a lot of that lately. As to the bias, that is the reason for the big grain of salt.

Somewhere, there is a balance between confirmation bias and out and outright discounting anything reported. It is up to us, as the consumer of news, to find that balance. Sorting the chaff from the wheat is not always easy.
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I'd add that people should generally avoid anything on TV that calls itself "news". Written stuff is so much better.
 
yankintx said:
If you want to believe Trumps body guard that the girls sent over by Putin were turned away go ahead. Trump would be so flattered by Putin's gift he would not say no. So far Trump is bending over for Putin and smiling. Why ?

Something smells fishy, big time !!
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"There are unsavory business ties between Trump's campaign and Russia, so clearly the man who retches at the sight of breast milk and sweat must have a secret piss fetish!"

That makes perfect sense, Yankintx. How could I not have seen it before?
 
yankintx said:
If you want to believe Trumps body guard that the girls sent over by Putin were turned away go ahead. Trump would be so flattered by Putin's gift he would not say no. So far Trump is bending over for Putin and smiling. Why ?

Something smells fishy, big time !!
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So, you want to believe Trump's bodyguard that prostitutes were offered but you don't want to believe that same bodyguard that they were turned away. Why would the bodyguard even bring up the prostitutes at all? He didn't even have to.
 
Mr Person said:
Disclosure: I tend not to spend too much time responding to posters who ignore publicly available information and also demand that something proven to their personal satisfaction.

This is no witch hunt. Publicly available facts demonstrate that. If someone denies it, well, I'll let out a deep sigh as I contemplate the future of our so-called "democracy".....
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Mr. Person, has Carter Page been indicted ??

The guilty pleas and Manaforts and the Russian Indictments are not connected to the dossier. All you had to do was connect and yet ??
 
Mr Person said:
I'd add that people should generally avoid anything on TV that calls itself "news". Written stuff is so much better.
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I want to agree but I would not totally bank on it.

The saying comes to mind, believe none of what you hear, and half of what you see, after all appearances can be deceiving. Miss/Diss information is rife in our world, people in positions of authority (on both sides) have a vested interest in directing not only what we see and hear, but how we feel about it.

It's a game but it aint no game.
 
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