Fake News: Fox or CNN?

lol...dig this.

CNN's Brian Stelter analyzes Fox News' commentary that suggests Americans don't care about Robert Mueller's Russia investigation, despite a new CNN poll showing that a majority of Americans believe the investigation is a "serious matter."

https://www.cnn.com/videos/cnnmoney/2018/03/04/fox-news-americans-russia-investigation-sot.cnn

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My favorite part of the video---well, besides the stats showing over 60% of Americans do find the investigation to be serious and worth continuing---is when the Fox guy says the Russian thing is a big nothingburger, "Their Benghazi."

I wonder if Fox viewers are smart enough to understand what that means. I kind of doubt it. Here's what he said, for those who watch too much Fox: "Benghazi was made up bull****. And, now I'm mad that the Democrats have their own version of it."

Time will tell if the Russian thing is made up bull****. But, I do like that the Fox idiots finally admitted that they lie. And, I love how they get caught at it repeatedly.

What do you expect from Trump State TV?

calamity said:

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My favorite part of the video---well, besides the stats showing over 60% of Americans do find the investigation to be serious and worth continuing---is when the Fox guy says the Russian thing is a big nothingburger, "Their Benghazi."

I wonder if Fox viewers are smart enough to understand what that means. I kind of doubt it. Here's what he said, for those who watch too much Fox: "Benghazi was made up bull****. And, now I'm mad that the Democrats have their own version of it."

Time will tell if the Russian thing is made up bull****. But, I do like that the Fox idiots finally admitted that they lie. And, I love how they get caught at it repeatedly.

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So where is the Fox News video you are describing?

All you post is the CNN video, so how can we determine on what basis the Fox commentary was made...aside from your expectation of assumption bias for CNN and anti-Fox?

Compare and contrast requires evidence for both sides.

Meanwhile, the Poll used was a CNN poll...can you not understand that many Americans, Right, Center, and even Left might doubt CNN as a particularly biased source as well?

By all reports their market share of viewership is abysmal, around the bottom of the ratings list.

CNN, as mentioned knocked off its rival MSNBC among adults 25-54 in total day, but struggled relative to last year in prime time. The network was -30 percent in total prime time viewers, and -23 percent in total day viewers from last year.

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Basic Cable Ranker: Week of Feb. 5 | TVNewser

Just saying. :coffeepap:

haymarket said:

What do you expect from Trump State TV?

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I think you meant trump DEEP state t.v....

Captain Adverse said:

So where is the Fox News video you are describing?

All you post is the CNN video, so how can we determine on what basis the Fox commentary was made...aside from your expectation of assumption bias for CNN and anti-Fox?

Compare and contrast requires evidence for both sides.

Meanwhile, the Poll used was a CNN poll...can you not understand that many Americans, Right, Center, and even Left might doubt CNN as a particularly biased source as well?

By all reports their market share of viewership is abysmal, at the bottom of the ratings list. Just saying. :coffeepap:

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The CNN video shows clips of the Fox video. You'd know that if you clicked on the link in the OP. :roll:

calamity said:

The CNN video shows clips of the Fox video. You'd know that if you clicked on the link in the OP. :roll:

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ummm.. I saw the truncated clip(s).

I want to see the whole clip without CNN commentary.

Captain Adverse said:

ummm.. I saw the truncated clip(s).

I want to see the whole clip without CNN commentary.

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Well, I imagine you can look them up. Google might help. Bing ain't bad either.

Keeping in mind that I dont watch TV I only look at the website and very rarely watch a video of their work I score both a D- on journalism.

GDViking said:

I think you meant trump DEEP state t.v....

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of course - that is what I meant ... my DEEPest apologies.

There are lots of "serious matters" I don't care about - so thanks for the so-called analysis CNN, but your little poll is irrelevant, as is your "news" channel.

So a known fake news source is accusing another news outlet of being fake news.

Its well known that CNN is pushing the leftist political agenda.
Its also well known that the left routinely accuses other of that which they themselves are doing.

Captain Adverse said:

So where is the Fox News video you are describing?

All you post is the CNN video, so how can we determine on what basis the Fox commentary was made...aside from your expectation of assumption bias for CNN and anti-Fox?

Compare and contrast requires evidence for both sides.

Meanwhile, the Poll used was a CNN poll...can you not understand that many Americans, Right, Center, and even Left might doubt CNN as a particularly biased source as well?

By all reports their market share of viewership is abysmal, around the bottom of the ratings list.

Basic Cable Ranker: Week of Feb. 5 | TVNewser

Just saying. :coffeepap:

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Here is the Fox News clip from the Trucker Carlson show:

[video]http://video.foxnews.com/v/5744211402001/?#sp=show-clips[/video]

eohrnberger said:

So a known fake news source is accusing another news outlet of being fake news.

Its well known that CNN is pushing the leftist political agenda.
Its also well known that the left routinely accuses other of that which they themselves are doing.

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Correction:
Its well known that Fox is pushing a Right Wing political agenda.
Its also well known that the Right routinely accuses other of that which they themselves are doing

Hawkeye10 said:

Keeping in mind that I dont watch TV I only look at the website and very rarely watch a video of their work I score both a D- on journalism.

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Fox and CNN are extremes of partisanship in opposite directions. That twists their news to levels very close to or outright lies. The MSM usually mouths the script of the neocon/MIC/Intelligence agencies/deep state and that isn't necessarily an agenda of the Executive arm of gov't. Damn shame, but reality.
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DaveFagan said:

Fox and CNN are extremes of partisanship in opposite directions. That twists their news to levels very close to or outright lies. The MSM usually mouths the script of the neocon/MIC/Intelligence agencies/deep state and that isn't necessarily an agenda of the Executive arm of gov't. Damn shame, but reality.
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CNN isn't MSNBC. They actually give Conservatives am unchallenged voice on their shows and column space o=in their website.

Fox's only shout out to the Left is Geraldo and Shep, but both are just punching bags. MSNBC never has a conservative on to opine. But, like Fox, they occasionally let one on the air to get beat up by O'Donald or Maddow.

Okay so now I have seen both polls. Here is my assessment:

The CNN poll (At least what was offered in the OP Link) appears to have asked a single question:

"Is the Russia Investigation:

"a serious matter" (61%), or

"an effort to discredit Trump's Presidency" (34%).

https://www.cnn.com/videos/cnnmoney/2018/03/04/fox-news-americans-russia-investigation-sot.cnn

It does not provide a link to the data collection to see how the sample was acquired. It is focused on those two answer options.

The Fox poll cited in the Tucker Carlson was conducted by USA Today. It asked "What is the most important issue that will affect your vote for Congress?" Options were:

Immigration/Border Security: 12%
Gun Control/Second Amendment: 12%
Taxes/Fees: 10%
Jobs/Economy: 9%
Russia/Election meddling: 1%

Exit Polls show no clear victor in Italian elections | On Air Videos | Fox News

So, CNN's question is focused on a single issue apparently offering two choices. It reflects only that 2/3 of people surveyed think the investigation is serious, while 1/3 polled think it is an effort to discredit Trump's Presidency.

IMO their poll was worded to create the results they wanted. This because the choices give the impression of being different, but in fact are NOT mutually exclusive. There can be interference while there was no collusion.

Why? Because I think the investigation into Russian interference by itself IS serious, but I also think their are those who want to use it to discredit Trump's Presidency.

If offered those two choice's I might pick "serious" myself, expecting it to actually clear Trump of the second, unrelated issue.

As for the USA Today poll? While it does not "refute" the limited but (IMO) warped question in the CNN poll, it does show that of those polled the Russia investigation is not at the top of their list of issue importance...at least in regards to the upcoming Congressional elections.

Like I've said in the past, polls can be designed to show whatever the creators wish to show, and IMO CNN's poll demonstrates the kind of bias that causes all sides to distrust their reporting methodology.

DaveFagan said:

Fox and CNN are extremes of partisanship in opposite directions. That twists their news to levels very close to or outright lies. The MSM usually mouths the script of the neocon/MIC/Intelligence agencies/deep state and that isn't necessarily an agenda of the Executive arm of gov't. Damn shame, but reality.
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The really sad thing is that the vast majority of the FAILED INTELLIGENTSIA! are too ignorant to know that CNN is in the same league of destructiveness as is FoxNews.

Till they get smarter I dont see how we ever fix this place.

Fox news was literally created as an arm of right wing media, it was spawned in the Nixon administration. They intentionally try to sway voters who basically sit and watch TV, and don't think. Which is exactly how Tucker, Hannity, etc. run their segments.

CNN is left of center, it's a mainstream hype machine.
Fox's news is right of center, and its big opinion hours are 100% Right wing propaganda without any attempt at honesty or critical analysis (other than conspiracy theories).

CNN is hit or miss for me, I think MSNBC's Ari, Maddow, and Ali, are just better quality anchors, and are heavy-hitters in critical thinking/intelligence. They are definitely critical of Trump, but then, anyone except partisans should be critical of that dill hole.

Thing is, Fox/Right wing have attacked everyone that opposes them as being "extreme liberals". This creates the deep polarization we see.

calamity said:

Correction:
Its well known that Fox is pushing a Right Wing political agenda.
Its also well known that the Right routinely accuses other of that which they themselves are doing

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LOLz. As if CNN, and most other 'news' (political propaganda) media isn't pushing the leftist political agenda.

Haven't you been watching them falling all over themselves, (and failing) pushing the leftist gun ban / gun regulations agenda?
Failing in the sense that what they are broadcasting isn't news, it's advocacy, so they've given up on honestly reporting the news, and have resigned themselves to participating, creating, the news. That's propaganda, my friend.

Yes, yes, I know that you probably agree with the leftist agenda, so you don't see it as pushing that agenda, nor that it's propaganda.

eohrnberger said:

LOLz. As if CNN, and most other 'news' (political propaganda) media isn't pushing the leftist political agenda.

Haven't you been watching them falling all over themselves, (and failing) pushing the leftist gun ban / gun regulations agenda?
Failing in the sense that what they are broadcasting isn't news, it's advocacy, so they've given up on honestly reporting the news, and have resigned themselves to participating, creating, the news. That's propaganda, my friend.

Yes, yes, I know that you probably agree with the leftist agenda, so you don't see it as pushing that agenda, nor that it's propaganda.

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Gun control is not "leftist."

calamity said:

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My favorite part of the video---well, besides the stats showing over 60% of Americans do find the investigation to be serious and worth continuing---is when the Fox guy says the Russian thing is a big nothingburger, "Their Benghazi."

I wonder if Fox viewers are smart enough to understand what that means. I kind of doubt it. Here's what he said, for those who watch too much Fox: "Benghazi was made up bull****. And, now I'm mad that the Democrats have their own version of it."

Time will tell if the Russian thing is made up bull****. But, I do like that the Fox idiots finally admitted that they lie. And, I love how they get caught at it repeatedly.

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1. CNN is known to cook their polls to get the cake they want...the cake their useful idiots love to eat. Me? Well, without the actual poll data I'll just go ahead and dismiss any claims they make.

2. CNN analyzing their competitor...Fox. LOL!! Okay.

3. All of Mainstream Media is part of the echo chamber. What one says, they all repeat. Stelter really has nothing to worry about when the echoes come from the right side of the Mainstream Media.

4. When it comes to "commentary", I'm thinking that anyone who puts much credence into talking potato heads, whether leftwing or rightwing, is self-identifying as a useful idiot for one side or the other.

The press is supposed to keep a watchful eye over government. FOX News is working with the government. Hannity and Trump talk all the time. It's very dangerous for government to work hand-in-hand with the press.

Mycroft said:

3. All of Mainstream Media is part of the echo chamber. What one says, they all repeat. Stelter really has nothing to worry about when the echoes come from the right side of the Mainstream Media.

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Why isn't FOX News "mainstream"? It has the highest ratings on cable news.

calamity said:

Gun control is not "leftist."

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Other than those of the left keep demanding more, and more, very specify what that additional 'gun control' might actually and specifically be comprised of, and when its far from substantiated that it would do any good; Chicago being a prime example of heavily gun regulated to no avail.

So in other words, a completely unsubstantiated emotional appeal for unspecific changes in public policy that have yet to produce any results.

What is it you call it when you keep doing the same thing expecting a different result? Oh yeah. It's called Insanity.

All that being fine, except that all these emotional over dramatization and overheated rhetoric are drowning out and polarizing the debate, the discussion and the political rhetoric to the point where no sensible debate or discussion can take place, resolving and improving not a single thing.

You really want to solve this issue?
You really want to make some changes that actually will make a difference?

Calling people who exercise their 2nd amendment rights murders, and threatening them with gun confiscations and bans isn't a productive way forward. It's only a way forward to the same old Mexican stand off that we've had for years.

SonOfDaedalus said:

Why isn't FOX News "mainstream"? It has the highest ratings on cable news.

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Of course, it's "mainstream." But, the Righties want to pretend it's something special that only they know exists.