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Bullet proof shelters

apdst said:
This looks like a good set.

Yes, anti-gunners, we know you don't like it.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/nat...rs-the-Answer-to-Gun-Violence--475554023.html

Shelter-In-Place: Step inside the bulletproof shelter designed to protect students from an active shooter | abc7ny.com
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That would certainly be more cost effective plus having multiple uses (tornado shelter, etc.) as pointed out than would training and paying the number of armed guards necessary to fully protect the average school. I still would favor allowing licensed or designated personnel in the school and on the school grounds to be armed or having ready access to weapons rather than advertising schools as gun free zones.
 
Sounds cheaper than armed guards and can double as a time out room.
 
Winchester said:
Sounds cheaper than armed guards and can double as a time out room.
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I believe there should still be armed personel in the schoolhouse, but these shelters are definitely another layer of defense.
 
I can't even imagine how we must look to other Western Democracies right now.
 
Winchester said:
Sounds cheaper than armed guards and can double as a time out room.
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The only problem is that it probably wouldn't have saved the kids in the Parkland school though. They were responding to a fire alarm--you wouldn't want to be in the bullet proof pod if you needed to be evacuating the school due to fire, gas leak, bomb threat, etc. While I would be relieved knowing such a protected room was available to my kids say back in Kansas where tornado warnings were frequent, I still think ability to take out the shooter is necessary.
 
apdst said:
I believe there should still be armed personel in the schoolhouse, but these shelters are definitely another layer of defense.
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Sounds like an extraordinary cost to society with dubious benefits.
 
apdst said:
This looks like a good set.

Yes, anti-gunners, we know you don't like it.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/nat...rs-the-Answer-to-Gun-Violence--475554023.html

Shelter-In-Place: Step inside the bulletproof shelter designed to protect students from an active shooter | abc7ny.com
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Do you see the handle on that door after the teacher closed it? You really don't need any bullets if you just stick, for example, the leg of a classroom chair through it and lock everyone in. Besides, would you rather face gunfire or a tiny space filled with 30 seven year olds who all need to pee at the same time?
 
Lutherf said:
Do you see the handle on that door after the teacher closed it? You really don't need any bullets if you just stick, for example, the leg of a classroom chair through it and lock everyone in. Besides, would you rather face gunfire or a tiny space filled with 30 seven year olds who all need to pee at the same time?
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That's a point worth debating...lol
 
AlbqOwl said:
The only problem is that it probably wouldn't have saved the kids in the Parkland school though. They were responding to a fire alarm--you wouldn't want to be in the bullet proof pod if you needed to be evacuating the school due to fire, gas leak, bomb threat, etc. While I would be relieved knowing such a protected room was available to my kids say back in Kansas where tornado warnings were frequent, I still think ability to take out the shooter is necessary.
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That's called local law enforcement.
 
apdst said:
How much are your kids's lives worth?
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A great deal... but there are not enough resources to protect them from every remote possibility. There is risk in life nothing is going to change that.

Are your kids lives worth disarming society for?
 
Winchester said:
A great deal... but there are not enough resources to protect them from every remote possibility. There is risk in life nothing is going to change that.
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Not 100%, no. But a shelter like this that protect from attackers and weather is a worthwhile investment. It rates right up there with seatbelts, motorcycle helmets and fire extinguishers.
 
apdst said:
Not 100%, no. But a shelter like this that protect from attackers and weather is a worthwhile investment. It rates right up there with seatbelts, motorcycle helmets and fire extinguishers.
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I agree, relatively cheap one-time investment and definitely has the potential to save lives.
 
apdst said:
Not 100%, no. But a shelter like this that protect from attackers and weather is a worthwhile investment. It rates right up there with seatbelts, motorcycle helmets and fire extinguishers.
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You have a 'safe room' in your house?
 
The fact that we're putting bullet proof shelters in our schools in order to protect our children is evidence that our nation has completely lost its mind when it comes to the gun issue. Overturn the 2nd Amendment.
 
Cardinal said:
The fact that we're putting bullet proof shelters in our schools in order to protect our children is evidence that our nation has completely lost its mind when it comes to the gun issue. Overturn the 2nd Amendment.
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It's like a poison pill was hidden in society a couple hundred years ago and it's just kicking in now.
But I'm afraid it's too late to fix. Best that can be done is damage control, try to keep it out of the schools.
 
Grand Mal said:
It's like a poison pill was hidden in society a couple hundred years ago and it's just kicking in now.
But I'm afraid it's too late to fix. Best that can be done is damage control, try to keep it out of the schools.
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The "best" that can be done isn't damage control. That's the solution you have when you've completely lost control of the situation. The best solution is the one that works best, and that's getting rid of the 2nd Amendment. It dominates the public dialogue and is why we've arrived at a point where efforts to protect our children from being shot are more proactive than efforts to prevent those guns from becoming available in the first place.
 
apdst said:
Do you own guns for self defense?
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don't you know nuttin? Bad form to answer a question with a .....oh never mind! I got real rabbit holes to investigate!
 
Cardinal said:
The "best" that can be done isn't damage control. That's the solution you have when you've completely lost control of the situation. The best solution is the one that works best, and that's getting rid of the 2nd Amendment. It dominates the public dialogue and is why we've arrived at a point where efforts to protect our children from being shot are more proactive than efforts to prevent those guns from becoming available in the first place.
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Guns are never going, even if gun ownership was outlawed.

That being a reality, what's your opinion of these shelters?
 
Rexedgar said:
don't you know nuttin? Bad form to answer a question with a .....oh never mind! I got real rabbit holes to investigate!
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Even worse form asking irrelevant qestions, to begin with.
 
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