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    Attacking the NRA Is Really Attacking Everyday Americans

    From the Washington Post, of all places:

    The NRA is a grass-roots organization made up of millions of decent, patriotic Americans who believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens make our country safer, not more dangerous. To suggest that it is responsible for what happened in Parkland is obscene.
    Yep. And they vote, too.

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    Re: Attacking the NRA Is Really Attacking Everyday Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    From the Washington Post, of all places:



    Yep. And they vote, too.
    When I was a Democrat, the Democrat party was the party of civil rights and equality before the law.

    Increasingly now, Democrats are the party of removing rights and favoritism based on special interest.

    John Kennedy weeps for what his party has become.
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    Re: Attacking the NRA Is Really Attacking Everyday Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    From the Washington Post, of all places:


    Yep. And they vote, too.
    The opinion piece author is conflating two things, which are very different, a decision by private (business) people to set their company's policy and the government using its immense power to remove the right of the people to buy guns now in common use for lawful purposes.

    Keep his story in mind as you watch the current movement to boycott the NRA and ban so-called assault weapons. In the wake of the Parkland shooting at least a dozen companies — including United Airlines, Delta, Best Western and First National Bank of Omaha — have joined the NRA boycott.
    There is nothing wrong with the freedom to engage in a voluntary "boycott", in this case for companies to remove special discounts to NRA members or leaders, but there is plenty wrong with a government ban of owning a product in common lawful use for self defense and supposedly protected by the 2A. Those that see too much freedom (the ability to own a semi-auto rifle) as the "root cause" of crime need to realize that placing your life and the lives of your fellow law abiding citizens, when threatened by violent criminals, in the hands of government agents (police officers) alone is a very bad idea.
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    Re: Attacking the NRA Is Really Attacking Everyday Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    When I was a Democrat, the Democrat party was the party of civil rights and equality before the law.

    Increasingly now, Democrats are the party of removing rights and favoritism based on special interest.

    John Kennedy weeps for what his party has become.
    Leftists used to say things like "I may disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

    These days its, "Hate speech isn't free speech, shut them down!"
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    Re: Attacking the NRA Is Really Attacking Everyday Americans

    Attacking the NRA is infantile and ignorant. Which explains why it was so easily picked up High school children.

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    Re: Attacking the NRA Is Really Attacking Everyday Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus FPV View Post
    Leftists used to say things like "I may disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

    These days its, "Hate speech isn't free speech, shut them down!"
    I think you are confusing Classical Liberals with Leftists...because Leftists (progressives, socialists, communists) have always been about group conformity and "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one" ideology as opposed to individual liberty.

    IMO Leftists have coopted the term Liberal, when their ideas are anything but Liberal.
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    Re: Attacking the NRA Is Really Attacking Everyday Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus FPV View Post
    Leftists used to say things like "I may disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

    These days its, "Hate speech isn't free speech, shut them down!"
    I would agree that hate speech is not free speech. However, to the political left, any disagreement with their stated doctrines is labeled as hate speech.

    Closing the market place of ideas is no way to have a fruitful discussion.
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: Attacking the NRA Is Really Attacking Everyday Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus FPV View Post
    Leftists used to say things like "I may disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

    These days its, "Hate speech isn't free speech, shut them down!"
    That saying predates the weaponization of communication itself.

    Manipulation is now a science. And I doubt the founders foresaw that happening.

    Had they, considering they simply denied tyrants the tools they use to establish and maintain tyrannies, and propaganda made the soviet union and the third Reich possible, I'm sure they would have denied them that tool too.
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    Re: Attacking the NRA Is Really Attacking Everyday Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I think you are confusing Classical Liberals with Leftists...because Leftists (progressives, socialists, communists) have always been about group conformity and "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one" ideology as opposed to individual liberty.
    I make the distinction between leftists and classical liberals because given the political climate the two can morph.

    Think of all the anti-war liberals during the Bush administration; They became leftists during the Obama administration. They stopped caring about drone strikes.

    Historically, "classical liberals" go from being on the left to the right and back again. Dave Ruben recently put out a video called "Why I left the left" where he explains how defending his liberal principles has become a conservative position.

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I would agree that hate speech is not free speech.
    Then we disagree. So long as you are not advocating violence it is protected speech. IMO if you don't support the freedom of speech of your enemy, you don't truly support it. Free speech doesn't defend Mickey Mouse, it defends the KKK.
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    Re: Attacking the NRA Is Really Attacking Everyday Americans

    a teeny tiny minority belong to the NRA - and even less follow their extremist leaders. So attacking the positions of leadership hardly is attacking everyday Americans.
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