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Attacking the NRA Is Really Attacking Everyday Americans

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From the Washington Post, of all places:

The NRA is a grass-roots organization made up of millions of decent, patriotic Americans who believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens make our country safer, not more dangerous. To suggest that it is responsible for what happened in Parkland is obscene.

Yep. And they vote, too.
 
From the Washington Post, of all places:



Yep. And they vote, too.

When I was a Democrat, the Democrat party was the party of civil rights and equality before the law.

Increasingly now, Democrats are the party of removing rights and favoritism based on special interest.

John Kennedy weeps for what his party has become.
 
From the Washington Post, of all places:


Yep. And they vote, too.

The opinion piece author is conflating two things, which are very different, a decision by private (business) people to set their company's policy and the government using its immense power to remove the right of the people to buy guns now in common use for lawful purposes.

Keep his story in mind as you watch the current movement to boycott the NRA and ban so-called assault weapons. In the wake of the Parkland shooting at least a dozen companies — including United Airlines, Delta, Best Western and First National Bank of Omaha — have joined the NRA boycott.

There is nothing wrong with the freedom to engage in a voluntary "boycott", in this case for companies to remove special discounts to NRA members or leaders, but there is plenty wrong with a government ban of owning a product in common lawful use for self defense and supposedly protected by the 2A. Those that see too much freedom (the ability to own a semi-auto rifle) as the "root cause" of crime need to realize that placing your life and the lives of your fellow law abiding citizens, when threatened by violent criminals, in the hands of government agents (police officers) alone is a very bad idea.
 
When I was a Democrat, the Democrat party was the party of civil rights and equality before the law.

Increasingly now, Democrats are the party of removing rights and favoritism based on special interest.

John Kennedy weeps for what his party has become.

Leftists used to say things like "I may disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

These days its, "Hate speech isn't free speech, shut them down!"
 
Attacking the NRA is infantile and ignorant. Which explains why it was so easily picked up High school children.
 
Leftists used to say things like "I may disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

These days its, "Hate speech isn't free speech, shut them down!"

I think you are confusing Classical Liberals with Leftists...because Leftists (progressives, socialists, communists) have always been about group conformity and "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one" ideology as opposed to individual liberty.

IMO Leftists have coopted the term Liberal, when their ideas are anything but Liberal.
 
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Leftists used to say things like "I may disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

These days its, "Hate speech isn't free speech, shut them down!"

I would agree that hate speech is not free speech. However, to the political left, any disagreement with their stated doctrines is labeled as hate speech.

Closing the market place of ideas is no way to have a fruitful discussion.
 
Leftists used to say things like "I may disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

These days its, "Hate speech isn't free speech, shut them down!"

That saying predates the weaponization of communication itself.

Manipulation is now a science. And I doubt the founders foresaw that happening.

Had they, considering they simply denied tyrants the tools they use to establish and maintain tyrannies, and propaganda made the soviet union and the third Reich possible, I'm sure they would have denied them that tool too.
 
I think you are confusing Classical Liberals with Leftists...because Leftists (progressives, socialists, communists) have always been about group conformity and "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one" ideology as opposed to individual liberty.

I make the distinction between leftists and classical liberals because given the political climate the two can morph.

Think of all the anti-war liberals during the Bush administration; They became leftists during the Obama administration. They stopped caring about drone strikes.

Historically, "classical liberals" go from being on the left to the right and back again. Dave Ruben recently put out a video called "Why I left the left" where he explains how defending his liberal principles has become a conservative position.

I would agree that hate speech is not free speech.

Then we disagree. So long as you are not advocating violence it is protected speech. IMO if you don't support the freedom of speech of your enemy, you don't truly support it. Free speech doesn't defend Mickey Mouse, it defends the KKK.
 
a teeny tiny minority belong to the NRA - and even less follow their extremist leaders. So attacking the positions of leadership hardly is attacking everyday Americans.
 
a teeny tiny minority belong to the NRA - and even less follow their extremist leaders. So attacking the positions of leadership hardly is attacking everyday Americans.

Oh no, he called them extreme! That's not an Alinsky tactic at all! /s
 
Oh no, he called them extreme! That's not an Alinsky tactic at all! /s

Because they are extremists.

Saul Alinsky pooped each day. I bet you do also. Birds of a feather?????
 
yeah - its what you attempted to do with my post where you drug up Alinsky.

Which fallacy would that be?

Identification is no fallacy, you enemy of liberty.

You resort to Alinsky tactics, I do not. You regard defense of liberty as "EXTREME"

You think that **** works on anybody, I point out your every failure.
 
I think you are confusing Classical Liberals with Leftists...because Leftists (progressives, socialists, communists) have always been about group conformity and "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one" ideology as opposed to individual liberty.

IMO Leftists have coopted the term Liberal, when their ideas are anything but Liberal.

100% Correct, good to see some here actually grasp this truth.
 
From the Washington Post, of all places:



Yep. And they vote, too.

Yeah. It's rather stupid of anyone to just outright attack the NRA. It just shows that those people are not serious about addressing the problem and that's why we never get anywhere with the issue of mass shootings.
 
Leftists used to say things like "I may disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

These days its, "Hate speech isn't free speech, shut them down!"

Yep. How true. Even the ACLU has come to the defense of those the left is trying to shut down. That's how bad the left has become.
 
Which fallacy would that be?

Identification is no fallacy, you enemy of liberty.

You resort to Alinsky tactics, I do not. You regard defense of liberty as "EXTREME"

You think that **** works on anybody, I point out your every failure.

No. I regard extremists as extreme.

And you don't like that label since it fits you like a custom made two thousand dollar suit.
 
a teeny tiny minority belong to the NRA - and even less follow their extremist leaders. So attacking the positions of leadership hardly is attacking everyday Americans.

LOL. What happened to that powerful NRA lobby? Now you are playing them off as a teeny tiny minority who is irrelevant.
 
LOL. What happened to that powerful NRA lobby? Now you are playing them off as a teeny tiny minority who is irrelevant.

There is a difference in power and numbers. The NRA is one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington. And they are a teeny tiny minority of the American people.

A well developed mind should be able to hold two different facts at the same time without becoming confused that one cancels out the other.
 
There is a difference in power and numbers. The NRA is one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington. And they are a teeny tiny minority of the American people.

A well developed mind should be able to hold two different facts at the same time without becoming confused that one cancels out the other.

That teeny tiny minority (remember that USA map which is all red?) votes.
 
This is why you are a ****

No. I regard extremists as extreme.

And you don't like that label since it fits you like a custom made two thousand dollar suit.

I accept your allegation of an extremist in defense of liberty as a compliment. You however cannot proudly accept the accurate identification of your Alinksy tactics. You are dishonest.

I am everything you claim I am, and YOU are everything I claim you are. But I admit it and you deny it. That is the difference between us. In order to accomplish your agenda you must lie.

You must lie to the frog that you are not bringing the pot to a boil. You must lie repeatedly that you support the 2A. I have the luxury of saying exactly what I am about. You, if you tried, would fail harder if you were more honest about your agenda.

Honesty is my ally, truth is your enemy.
 
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