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Attacking the NRA Is Really Attacking Everyday Americans

Moderate Right said:
That teeny tiny minority (remember that USA map which is all red?) votes.
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So what? Lots and lots of people vote. You failed to answer my post 21 with any rational answer.
 
Re: This is why you are a ****

Spartacus FPV said:
I accept your allegation of an extremist in defense of liberty as a compliment.
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I never said you were an extremist defending liberty. You are defending extremism.
 
**** you Douchemarket

haymarket said:
I never said you were an extremist defending liberty. You are defending extremism.
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As if you would ever be so honest.

If the extremism I am defending are our very 2A rights, then your assessment makes no difference.

Every villain is a hero in his own story; You enemy of liberty.
 
haymarket said:
There is a difference in power and numbers. The NRA is one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington. And they are a teeny tiny minority of the American people.

A well developed mind should be able to hold two different facts at the same time without becoming confused that one cancels out the other.
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That (bolded above) assertion is based on, exactly, what? Certainly not on the amount of money spent or their (teeny tiny) number of claimed members - could it be that they simply have a constitutionally valid position? Those that object to the 2A should seek to change it rather than pretend that it is outdated and thus no longer really part of the BoR.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That (bolded above) assertion is based on, exactly, what? Certainly not on the amount of money spent or their (teeny tiny) number of claimed members - could it be that they simply have a constitutionally valid position? Those that object to the 2A should seek to change it rather than pretend that it is outdated and thus no longer really part of the BoR.
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Its sad that it takes so much money to fight the Haymarkets of the world. We can't just be free without ****s hating it.

Violent crime falls, but because their bad ideas aren't responsible, they HATE the lack of politically useful suffering. Eager for another tragedy to not let go to waste he is. ****ing evil I call it.
 
haymarket said:
So what? Lots and lots of people vote. You failed to answer my post 21 with any rational answer.
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The rational answer is that the map of the USA is almost completely red. But, go ahead and fight the NRA. See where it gets you.
 
Attacking the NRA:
- is attacking Americans
- is an attack on freedom
- is an attempt to confiscate all firearms
- is against god's will (since the head of the NRA said it's god's granted right)

Until you guys grow the **** up, you'll hold the world hostage with guns, and continue to say it's freedom.
 
Mach said:
Attacking the NRA:
- is attacking Americans
- is an attack on freedom
- is an attempt to confiscate all firearms
- is against god's will (since the head of the NRA said it's god's granted right)

Until you guys grow the **** up, you'll hold the world hostage with guns, and continue to say it's freedom.
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Please explain how the right to self defense is not freedom. Please explain how limiting it IS freedom. I DARE you to try.
 
Spartacus FPV said:
Please explain how the right to self defense is not freedom. Please explain how limiting it IS freedom. I DARE you to try.
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Dare? You threatening me?
 
Mach said:
Dare? You threatening me?
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To post your honest opinion... yes I guess? Not threatening with harm, but with warranted praise.

Seriously given the last post you made in another thread I didn't think you capable of such honesty.

Its like Haymarket admitting openly his hatred of the 2A. Its what I know to be true but I never expect it to be said outright. NO villain proclaims himself so.
 
Re: **** you Douchemarket

Spartacus FPV said:
As if you would ever be so honest.

If the extremism I am defending are our very 2A rights, then your assessment makes no difference.

Every villain is a hero in his own story; You enemy of liberty.
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You are defending no right the Constitution gives you. You are making it up as you go along.
 
Moderate Right said:
Really? You get your damn news from extremist media, CNN and MSNBC! This is your vision of the world.
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What extremist position have I taken on what specific issues?
 
Moderate Right said:
The rational answer is that the map of the USA is almost completely red. But, go ahead and fight the NRA. See where it gets you.
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What map of the USA are you referring to?
 
Spartacus FPV said:
Please explain how the right to self defense is not freedom. Please explain how limiting it IS freedom. I DARE you to try.
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Now that you've clarified that you're not threatening, and even with your insults, I really cannot believe you have to have this explained to you.
Each of these are distinct concepts:
1. legally owning any/all firearms
2. "" a subset of those firearms
3. the generalized "right to self defense" in all its forms
4. defending oneself with a firearm from category #1
5. defending oneself with a firearm from category #2
6. Freedom
7. laws
8. Not freedom

This explains how all of these things, are not identicial to each other. Words have meaning. I get that the NRA likes to try and tie attacks on the NRA being an attack on freedom, they rprofit, what I don't get is why so many people believe it.
 
The attack on the NRA is nothing more than a ploy to try to stir up support for gun control. They create the image of the NRA as the Baba Yaga and promote the notion that we are all unified and we could all get what we want which is 'reasonable' gun control...if only the NRA would let us have what 'we' want. The way they phrase their arguments, the directions, the ploy...its not targeted at the NRA, its targeted at children. Its targeted at people that think and act and respond like children. Its targeted to the same people with the same mindset that have been throwing a massive temper tantrum since Nov 9 2016.
 
Spartacus FPV said:
I make the distinction between leftists and classical liberals because given the political climate the two can morph.

Think of all the anti-war liberals during the Bush administration; They became leftists during the Obama administration. They stopped caring about drone strikes.

Historically, "classical liberals" go from being on the left to the right and back again. Dave Ruben recently put out a video called "Why I left the left" where he explains how defending his liberal principles has become a conservative position.



Then we disagree. So long as you are not advocating violence it is protected speech. IMO if you don't support the freedom of speech of your enemy, you don't truly support it. Free speech doesn't defend Mickey Mouse, it defends the KKK.
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Supporting the right of those disagreeing with you to speak is the reason for the 1st amendment. That includes speech you hate.
 
haymarket said:
a teeny tiny minority belong to the NRA - and even less follow their extremist leaders. So attacking the positions of leadership hardly is attacking everyday Americans.
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NRA doesn't publish membership figures, but most educated guesses put the number somewhere around five million. It's safe to say that anyone forking over 40 - 1500 dollars tends to agree with leaders. That statement is unsupportable and bogus wishful thinking.

Not included in the number is the millions of 2nd amendment advocates who agree with the NRA at least in part and do not join. I know several in that category. So yes, the NRA is a huge voting block. And a very influential voice for the people.
 
jimbo said:
NRA doesn't publish membership figures, but most educated guesses put the number somewhere around five million. It's safe to say that anyone forking over 40 - 1500 dollars tends to agree with leaders. That statement is unsupportable and bogus wishful thinking.

Not included in the number is the millions of 2nd amendment advocates who agree with the NRA at least in part and do not join. I know several in that category. So yes, the NRA is a huge voting block. And a very influential voice for the people.
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Public opinion polls show us that a majority of NRA members have disagreed with their leaders on gun issues.

Five million people - out of over 300 million is a drop in the bucket and its time we called it like that.
 
haymarket;1068241236 [B said:
Public opinion polls show us that a majority of NRA members have disagreed with their leaders on gun issues.[/B]

Five million people - out of over 300 million is a drop in the bucket and its time we called it like that.
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I'm afraid I need links to that statement.

But it begs the question. If the NRA is so weak as to be a non factor, why is it such a thorn in the banners butt?
 
jimbo said:
I'm afraid I need links to that statement.

But it begs the question. If the NRA is so weak as to be a non factor, why is it such a thorn in the banners butt?
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sure

https://www.americanprogress.org/pr...hecks-see-nra-as-out-of-touch-new-poll-finds/

Overwhelming support for background checks: 83 percent of gun owners nationally support criminal background checks on all sales of firearms, while only 14 percent of gun owners oppose them. There is strong bipartisan agreement on the issue, with 90 percent of Democrat and 81 percent of Republican gun owners in support of background checks. Additionally, 72 percent of NRA members support them. A 2012 Frank Luntz survey of gun owners found that 82 percent were in favor of background checks, including 74 percent of gun owners. Despite well-funded efforts by the NRA and associated groups, support among both gun owners and NRA members remains high.
Gun owners want to see action and enforcement of current law: 79 percent of gun owners nationally want to see their politicians take action on this issue and require more gun sellers to conduct criminal background checks before they sell guns, while only 19 percent do not want to see their elected leaders act on this issue. That includes 64 percent of NRA members calling for politicians to take action, compared with only 32 percent who do not want them to act.
Gun owners are more likely to support a politician who supports background checks: 66 percent say they would be more likely to vote for a candidate who backs them, compared with only 19 percent who say they would be less likely to. Supporting background checks is not even a liability for Republican candidates in a primary election: 56 percent of GOP gun owners say they would be more likely to vote for a candidate who supports them, compared with only 27 percent who say they would be less likely to.
The NRA is out of touch with gun owners on gun safety issues such as background checks: Only 29 percent of gun owners feel that the NRA represents their thinking when it comes to background checks, with 62 percent saying the NRA is out of line with them on the issue. That fits in with a broader feeling that the NRA has lost it way: 59 percent of gun owners feel that the NRA used to be an organization devoted to gun safety but that it has been overtaken by lobbyists and the interests of gun manufacturers and lost its original purpose and mission. Nearly one-third of NRA members believe the organization has lost its way.
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The NRA is a greatly effective lobbying organization who almost always gets what they want from Republicans who control the Congress.

And they do this with a tiny minority of the US population.
 
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