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Leftists vs the People

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Interesting article, I agree with little to none of it. It’s the American “Thinker,” going after liberalism is what they do.
 
LowDown said:
Ignorance, chauvinism, and bigotry is all that it amounts to.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/02/leftists_versus_the_people.html
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LowDown:

I think you and the American Thinker may be confusing leftism with elitism. The leftist elites are guilty of what you allege but then so are right-wing elitists. Part of the human condition is that some folk see others as the unwashed rabble who are not worthy of serious consideration in matters of state or commerce and cannot be trusted to act responsibly. That's elitism at work, not ideological polarity.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Broad brush, confusing liberalism vs elitism, as already mentioned.
 
LowDown said:
Ignorance, chauvinism, and bigotry is all that it amounts to.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/02/leftists_versus_the_people.html
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The complaint is more (BTW, your source leans heavily right) about elitism than liberalism. I can agree that elites tend to lean left but not that the left tend to be elites.

EDIT: I found the "loose regulations and lax enforcement" reference to be quite telling - is that not the compliant by conservatives on federal immigration policy in a nut shell? Of course, the DC elites all favor that or immigration reform and meaningful enforcement would have happened long ago.
 
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The current POTUS and many of the people surrounding him is proof positive that there are elitists who are on the right side of the political spectrum.
 
Psst, liberals are regular people. Oh, and who cares more for the regular people really? Those that support livable wages and min wage increases or those that oppose it? Those that want to feed starving people or those that don't give a **** about them? Those that want to protect kids and others from being slaughtered, or those who care more about playing rambo than won't do a damn thing to ensure any safety measures? Those who want "regular"people to get majority of tax breaks or those that want to give them mostly to the rich who already have it all? Those who want to fight against new industries and research that will lead to entire new industries and good paying jobs, or those that are fighting for their polluting and jobs that are never coming back? Those that fight for freedoms of all people or those that only care about their kind having freedoms?

Yeah, liberals are really against the people. God, you people don't even try.

What's at the hears of liberalism is facts, intelligence, logic, reasoning, and forward thinking that is where humanity constantly goes towards. So please, just stop making asses of yourselves righties, they have nothing. THat's why they have to lie, deflect, play the victim. You know what countries fought the liberals and conservatives got their way? ****holes with religious extremists like many countries in the middle east

Liberals are "elitist" that is hysterical. Who routinely tries to claim moral superiority (when they are anything but)? The right. Who supports the most elitist people, the 1% of the population that has 90% of the wealth, and worse, just gave them billions more? Who thinks that only white conservative christians are "real americans'? LOL
 
Look, here on this side of the fence we have Leftists. And here on the other side of the fence we have People.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The complaint is more (BTW, your source leans heavily right) about elitism than liberalism. I can agree that elites tend to lean left but not that the left tend to be elites.

EDIT: I found the "loose regulations and lax enforcement" reference to be quite telling - is that not the compliant by conservatives on federal immigration policy in a nut shell? Of course, the DC elites all favor that or immigration reform and meaningful enforcement would have happened long ago.
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Im not so sure about that. I tend to encounter a lot of snobbery out of the left. It's more common place than not. It's used by them to justify their authoritarian desires.

If you question climate change, your anti-science
If you believe people should stand during the anthem, your a racist.
If you don't want more guns banned, your a dumb hick

I could go on and on.

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Jetboogieman said:
Lowdown’s 8,275,891st trash thread.
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Well, at least that is a productive comment, keeping you busy doing something besides the embarrassing while the rest of us debate...also shows an ability to add far beyond fingers and toes. Truthfully I was stunned you had such talent.

Why not do something, you know, debate wise...like maybe give us baseline definitions of elitism and liberalism, you know, in the continuance of promoting actual debate.

Just saying
 
I thought this thread was about leftists, but the quote says liberals. There is a distinction.
 
trouble13 said:
Im not so sure about that. I tend to encounter a lot of snobbery out of the left. It's more common place than not. It's used by them to justify their authoritarian desires.



If you question climate change, your anti-science
If you believe people should stand during the anthem, your a racist.
If you don't want more guns banned, your a dumb hick

I could go on and on.

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Snobbery, like hypocrisy, is not left/right exclusive.

We drink alcohol to socialize, but they smoke the evil weed (so arrest them).
We think that all should stand to show reverence to the flag, but they think they are free not to (so call them haters of soldiers).
We think that common folks should be free to be armed in public, but not at our meetings or conventions (because it makes us feel unsafe).

I too could go on.
 
LowDown said:
Ignorance, chauvinism, and bigotry is all that it amounts to.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/02/leftists_versus_the_people.html
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Some posters and writers specialize in the masturbatory process of ejaculating product that has no chance of reproducing species.

A rambling article by Jeffrey Folks dissing Liberals illustrates my point. Do you have no shame in constantly displaying shameful proclivity? SMH

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/american-thinker/
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Snobbery, like hypocrisy, is not left/right exclusive.

We drink alcohol to socialize, but they smoke the evil weed (so arrest them).
We think that all should stand to show reverence to the flag, but they think they are free not to (so call them haters of soldiers).
We think that common folks should be free to be armed in public, but not at our meetings or conventions (because it makes us feel unsafe).

I too could go on.
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Difference of opinions are fine but making laws to force your opinions on others is where I draw the line.

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LowDown said:
Ignorance, chauvinism, and bigotry is all that it amounts to.
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Sometimes people are condescending to you because you deserve it. Where I come from(which is small town Christian conservative flyover country by the way) if you don't like people calling you an idiot you stop doing stupid ****. Rural middle class white people don't vote Republican because we think they're idiots, we think they're idiots because they vote Republican.
 
trouble13 said:
Difference of opinions are fine but making laws to force your opinions on others is where I draw the line.

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OK, so I take it that you oppose the "war on drugs", CCW permits or CHLs, ethanol in gasoline and (other) farm subsidies?
 
trouble13 said:
Im not so sure about that. I tend to encounter a lot of snobbery out of the left. It's more common place than not. It's used by them to justify their authoritarian desires.

If you question climate change, your anti-science
If you believe people should stand during the anthem, your a racist.
If you don't want more guns banned, your a dumb hick

I could go on and on.

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Except, as usual, its simplified by conservatives. The people who question climate change have no rational arugments. THey jsut don't want to believe it because politically that is the BS they have been sold. They can't argue against the facts, so yes, if you can't use science to back up your position, you are anti-science. Actually, that might be harsh, those people are just political hacks spouting stuff they have been told to say

Nobody said that about people who don't want guns banned. That's a lie. THere in lies the problem, dishonesty from conservatives.They can't argue the facts, so they have to lie and pretend there is no gun problem in this country

That national anthem, again, political hackery. Blind allegiance to the flag is stupid. and don't tell me racism isn't involved in black people protesting. most of the arguments people have denying problems of black people being targeted and harassed by police for their skin color and getting more harsh treatment than white people are just complete BS. And don't tell me racism isn't involved in that.

If you deny the facts that black people are mistreated, treated harshly, got longer sentences, and are shot much quicker than white suspects, than its likely because you think they deserve it.

See, that's how you make an argument, provide your reasoning. Not just throw out a bunch of simplistic one liners with no rational. I guess that makes me an intelligent, elitist human being for actually defending my position
 
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Except, as usual, its simplified by conservatives. The people who question climate change have no rational arugments. THey jsut don't want to believe it because politically that is the BS they have been sold. They can't argue against the facts, so yes, if you can't use science to back up your position, you are anti-science. Actually, that might be harsh, those people are just political hacks spouting stuff they have been told to say
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The fact is that not everyone agrees on what influences our climate and how much of an influence it has. Also neither side can provide conclusive evidence to support their theory. The left has taken a better safe than sorry position which supports an authoritarian approach. Anyone who disagrees with them is labled as anti-science even though you can prove your theory with the science you claim supports your opinions.

Nobody said that about people who don't want guns banned. That's a lie. THere in lies the problem, dishonesty from conservatives.They can't argue the facts, so they have to lie and pretend there is no gun problem in this country
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I may of paraphrased the sentiment but it most certainly is the one espoused by many on the left. The left believes the problem is the weapon of choice used in these killings while others believe it's the person behind the killings that is the problem. The left supports gov weapon bans and if you disagree with them, like NRA members, your accused of being a murderer.

That national anthem, again, political hackery. Blind allegiance to the flag is stupid. and don't tell me racism isn't involved in black people protesting. most of the arguments people have denying problems of black people being targeted and harassed by police for their skin color and getting more harsh treatment than white people are just complete BS. And don't tell me racism isn't involved in that.
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This was a bad choice as an example of the lefts relationship with authoritarianism but still a valid example of elitism. A better example would of been the lefts support of the gov issuing an excessive fine on a baker for refusing to make a gay wedding cake.

If you deny the facts that black people are mistreated, treated harshly, got longer sentences, and are shot much quicker than white suspects, than its likely because you think they deserve it.
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There is statically data that contridicts your claim but anyone who disagrees with your conclusion is a racist. That is elitism my freind.

See, that's how you make an argument, provide your reasoning. Not just throw out a bunch of simplistic one liners with no rational. I guess that makes me an intelligent, elitist human being for actually defending my position
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The arguments surrounding the subjects are off topic. I used controversial topics to illustrate the lefts relationship with elitism and totalitarianism. Your response to me and the one you made earlier about how the left is for the common man are both also hood examples of my critism of the left.





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LowDown said:
Ignorance, chauvinism, and bigotry is all that it amounts to.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/02/leftists_versus_the_people.html
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The leftists (liberals, progressive, etc.) have moved so far left they have become totalitarian. Forced compliance, Antifa beat downs, riots, and so forth. Not to mention they have developed a bitter hatred for normal every day people who would like nothing more then to determine their own destiny and enjoy freedom and liberty.
 
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The problem for the liberal is that most people do not want to be transformed. They want life to be better but not qualitatively different.
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I think the average Trump voter disagrees with this and it's the reason they voted for him. They were/are desperate for a qualitative difference in their lives. Too bad Trump's an elitist in populist disguise.

But the idea that liberalism, which is using the power of government to make people's lives better, should be opposed by those being helped, makes no sense. However, it is a narrative that the wealthy elite, that doesn't want to pay the price to make ordinary lives better, tries to propagate with articles such as the OP's. While the masses fight, the wealthy are raking in the bulk of national income.
 
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