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Leftists vs the People

MTAtech said:
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I think the average Trump voter disagrees with this and it's the reason they voted for him. They were/are desperate for a qualitative difference in their lives. Too bad Trump's an elitist in populist disguise.

But the idea that liberalism, which is using the power of government to make people's lives better, should be opposed by those being helped, makes no sense. However, it is a narrative that the wealthy elite, that doesn't want to pay the price to make ordinary lives better, tries to propagate with articles such as the OP's. While the masses fight, the wealthy are raking in the bulk of national income.
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Liberals only want to help themselves. All of their solutions and their ideas about supposedly helping people involve getting more power and resources under their control.
 
LowDown said:
Liberals only want to help themselves. All of their solutions and their ideas about supposedly helping people involve getting more power and resources under their control.
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This is so utterly stupid. LIberlas who are upper middle class really looking to get food stamps for themselves? LOL Most liberals have never taken a dime in assistance, so this is nonsense.
You just explain conservatism, thinking for themselves. I want my tax breaks, screw the debt, screw cutting programs to the poor. I don't like gay people, so screw their rights.

Anyway, that's what so many conservatives do, just say things about liberals that fit them to a tee
 
LowDown said:
Ignorance, chauvinism, and bigotry is all that it amounts to.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/02/leftists_versus_the_people.html
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This is total anti-intellectual nonsense.

At its heart, liberalism is a gnostic religion, and the essence of that religion is the believer's faith that he possesses the means of changing the world for the better.

Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/02/leftists_versus_the_people.html#ixzz58PddCuen
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How can we have any progress if there aren't individuals with ideas that change the world? Framing that as elitism is nonsense.

Then he specifically attacks Corey Booker as an elist. The same Corey Booker who ran into a burning building to save people. He compares Corey Booker to Lenin. Which is just as bad as comparing Trump to Hitler. But what did Corey Booker do that was so bad and elitist that he should be compared to Lenin? Apparently, his elitis crime was "lashing out at DHS secretary Kirstjen Nielsen."

But why was he lashing out at Kirstjen Nielsen he carefully neglects to mention. Booker was lashing out at the DHS secretary for lying. She refused to admit she heard Trump call poor countries s-hole countries. Booker was standing up for people in poor countries. It was Trump's comment that was elitist.

Finally, the most elitist idea of all is that if you give rich people and corporations tax breaks the wealth will trickle down to them like crumbs falling off a table for dogs.

That article was idiotic. It belongs in the American Idiot.
 
MTAtech said:
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I think the average Trump voter disagrees with this and it's the reason they voted for him. They were/are desperate for a qualitative difference in their lives. Too bad Trump's an elitist in populist disguise.

But the idea that liberalism, which is using the power of government to make people's lives better, should be opposed by those being helped, makes no sense. However, it is a narrative that the wealthy elite, that doesn't want to pay the price to make ordinary lives better, tries to propagate with articles such as the OP's. While the masses fight, the wealthy are raking in the bulk of national income.
LowDown said:
Liberals only want to help themselves. All of their solutions and their ideas about supposedly helping people involve getting more power and resources under their control.
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Being a liberal for many decades, I am surprised that all I wanted was to help myself. Who knew?

The premise that liberals, who support higher taxes on themselves, to provide a safety net for the underclass and middle class, fails the smell test.

On the contrary, it's conservatives, as Sampson Simpson, said above, who are the greedy and self-serving ideology. It's concisely explained in this old essay by Bill Maher:

New Rule: Rich People Who Complain About Being Vilified Should Be Vilified
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We don’t hate rich people, but have a little humility about how you got it and stop complaining. Maybe the worst whiner of all: Stephen Schwarzman, #69 on Forbes’ list of richest Americans, compared Obama’s tax hike to “when Hitler invaded Poland in 1939.” Wow. If Obama were Hitler, Mr. Schwarzman, I think your tax rate would be the least of your worries.
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Sampson Simpson said:
This is so utterly stupid. LIberlas who are upper middle class really looking to get food stamps for themselves? LOL Most liberals have never taken a dime in assistance, so this is nonsense.
You just explain conservatism, thinking for themselves. I want my tax breaks, screw the debt, screw cutting programs to the poor. I don't like gay people, so screw their rights.

Anyway, that's what so many conservatives do, just say things about liberals that fit them to a tee
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How dense. No, liberals can and do get jobs in the bureaucracy in charge of distributing food stamps, and so on. That's the primary purpose of all government programs and bureaucracies: jobs, benefits, and stature for the bureaucrats. All else is a distant second priority.

You'd search for a long time to find a conservative in such a job. It happens, but it's rare.
 
LowDown said:
How dense. No, liberals can and do get jobs in the bureaucracy in charge of distributing food stamps, and so on. That's the primary purpose of all government programs and bureaucracies: jobs, benefits, and stature for the bureaucrats. All else is a distant second priority.

You'd search for a long time to find a conservative in such a job. It happens, but it's rare.
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Why doesn't Trump tell all his food stamp dependent fans that their food stamps are only there to give jobs to liberal bureaucrats?

I wonder if you're aware of how ridiculous you sound. Liberals are elitists because they try to help poor single mothers feed their kids. Their desire to help these single mothers and their children is really a ploy to create cushy government jobs for liberals. Do you seriously believe this irrational nonsense?
 
danielpalos said:
Yet, the right wing was for tax cuts to help the rich get richer faster; and welfare cuts for the poor, to help pay for it.
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For the OP, helping the rich cut estate taxes and capital gains taxes is not elitism. Helping poor people feed their children is elitism. That is seriously the OP's position.

And Cory Booker scolding the DHS secretary about lying regarding Trump's s-hole comments is Booker behaving like Lenin. For the OP insulting poor countries for being poor is not elitism. Defening poor countries is elitism.

This is why I claim conservatives are mostly irrational people. You can't have a rational discussion with people who think like this.
 
Another day, another LowDown "LIBRULS BAD" post
 
LowDown said:
How dense. No, liberals can and do get jobs in the bureaucracy in charge of distributing food stamps, and so on. That's the primary purpose of all government programs and bureaucracies: jobs, benefits, and stature for the bureaucrats. All else is a distant second priority.

You'd search for a long time to find a conservative in such a job. It happens, but it's rare.
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First of all, thats completely ridiculous, there are conservatives in government. And even if your statement is true, that would be a positive for liberals. They would take less money to help people and serve their country and community, vs those who would go for the higher paying corporate jobs, many of which exploit people for profit.

The lack of intelligence coming from some conservatives on message boards really is astounding
 
LowDown said:
How dense. No, liberals can and do get jobs in the bureaucracy in charge of distributing food stamps, and so on. That's the primary purpose of all government programs and bureaucracies: jobs, benefits, and stature for the bureaucrats. All else is a distant second priority.

You'd search for a long time to find a conservative in such a job. It happens, but it's rare.
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So you think Sonny Perdue isn't a conservative.

Interesting.
 
Fearandloathing said:
You seem to have invented a very hateable liberalism, nothing like what I am.

Americans, you're all so ****ing paranoid...anything slightly different and you fear it enough to hate it withou even knowing what the **** it is
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I sometimes listen to conservative radio. It's all about creating a fictional liberal straw man. They think all liberals are Marxists who want to abolish private property and take their guns away. I'm not even joking.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I sometimes listen to conservative radio. It's all about creating a fictional liberal straw man. They think all liberals are Marxists who want to abolish private property and take their guns away. I'm not even joking.
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Here's what they can't argue: Every other industrial nation has universal health care, but the great America can't afford it. They cannot argue that we in these 'socialist **** holes' live longer than Americans, are happier and feel safer than Americans.

So on the one hand the world around you is progressing as a result of this evil disaster, but it's clear to them it can't work.

I posted this before. Your news about the mass murder of children and people who support it. Our news is that Canada has decided to move into a full, national pharmacare program.

I like our "liberal" news better
 
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