The Victim Mentality: What is Really Destroying America

DamnYankee said:

Yep, they're globalist/RINOs and might as well be leftist. So liberalism is the problem.

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I’ve listened to the “real” conservatives on Fox News man. They do it. I hear them at “the meetings” too. Heck. You are doing it now “the liberals.” “Obama.” “Hilary.” “Immigrants.” “They took our jobs!”

It happens from real conservatives.

blackjack50 said:

Watching Live Pd tonight with my family. These poor cops deal with it all the time. Everyone has an excuse and it is never their fault. They are a victim. I deal with it in my job (insurance industry). Parents and their kids. It is the teacher’s fault the kids are bad. Why do people do this? This is real frustrating. How often do you guys notice this crap? How much of a problem do you think it is now? How about in our political climate?

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love the show

hate that personal accountability is gone for a lot of people

everyone is to blame EXCEPT them

life isnt fair, and it isnt their fault....

wah wah.....i want my blankie

DamnYankee said:

We've seen a slow and steady decay of the country's moral fabric since the debut of modern liberalism. It's why our nation is so screwed up.

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eerr derrr derrfff. Morals, like lynching of black people? Beating up gay or anybody that was different? Beating wives and sexually harassing women? Having slaves? that kind of morality?

Sampson Simpson said:

eerr derrr derrfff. Morals, like lynching of black people? Beating up gay or anybody that was different? Beating wives and sexually harassing women? Having slaves? that kind of morality?

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My theory: you have a growing victim culture because your society has created a lot of victims, and your pull yourselves up by your bootstraps (while the government, the media, and corporations have their foot on your throat) attitude has made asking for help an act of activism.

blackjack50 said:

Watching Live Pd tonight with my family. These poor cops deal with it all the time. Everyone has an excuse and it is never their fault. They are a victim. I deal with it in my job (insurance industry). Parents and their kids. It is the teacher’s fault the kids are bad. Why do people do this? This is real frustrating. How often do you guys notice this crap? How much of a problem do you think it is now? How about in our political climate?

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Blaming one's own actions, decisions on others has become a national pastime. It's always someone else's or something else's fault. Never the individual who made the decisions or took whatever actions. It's the environment they grew up in, it's the teachers, it's society, they were spanked as kids, they only had a single parent, on and on and on.

No one forced those who make bad decisions or went out and did something awful to do those things. They did it on their own. Individual responsibility for one's own actions and decisions is a thing of the past. School shootings has been in the news lately and a hotly discussed topic. But what or whom do we blame, we blame it on the gun, not on the individual. Even the school shooter gets a free pass.

Politics, sure. Clinton lost because of the Russian's. Not because of anything she did or didn't do or how she ran her inept campaign and let her opponent both out work and out campaign by a huge margin. It's not her fault, it's the Russians.This has been going on for a long time. The shooter becomes the victim, Clinton is the victim, the one who robs a seven eleven is the victim, those who decide to drop out of school or who don't study, they are the victims and on and on.

This country is in a world of hurt, being destroyed from within.

blackjack50 said:

Watching Live Pd tonight with my family. These poor cops deal with it all the time. Everyone has an excuse and it is never their fault. They are a victim. I deal with it in my job (insurance industry). Parents and their kids. It is the teacher’s fault the kids are bad. Why do people do this? This is real frustrating. How often do you guys notice this crap? How much of a problem do you think it is now? How about in our political climate?

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It is always someone else's fault did you know that?
Why take responsibility for my actions when it is someone else that caused me to do that.

My friend is a cop as well. He runs into that all the time.

*Reads Thread Title*
*Peruses Thread*
*Plays 'Get Over It' by the Eagles in support*
*Goes back to work, break over*

blackjack50 said:

Watching Live Pd tonight with my family. These poor cops deal with it all the time. Everyone has an excuse and it is never their fault. They are a victim. I deal with it in my job (insurance industry). Parents and their kids. It is the teacher’s fault the kids are bad. Why do people do this? This is real frustrating. How often do you guys notice this crap? How much of a problem do you think it is now? How about in our political climate?

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You mean like the people pretending that the entire intelligence apparatus, every administrative agency ("deep state"), the courts, the media, and people on the street are all conspiring to destroy Trump and victimize conservatives?

That victim mentality?



No, you probably don't mean that victim mentality. But if you look at this board over the last two years (I'd bet closer to the last 10, since this really started with Obama getting elected) with clear eyes, you'll see that so very many conservative memes/themes all involve a victimhood complex - some idea that a vast amorphous "The Left" controls all the power centers and is using them to *get* conservatives.

It really is quite sad.

Mr Person said:

You mean like the people pretending that the entire intelligence apparatus, every administrative agency ("deep state"), the courts, the media, and people on the street are all conspiring to destroy Trump and victimize conservatives?

That victim mentality?



No, you probably don't mean that victim mentality. But if you look at this board over the last two years (I'd bet closer to the last 10, since this really started with Obama getting elected) with clear eyes, you'll see that so very many conservative memes/themes all involve a victimhood complex - some idea that a vast amorphous "The Left" controls all the power centers and is using them to *get* conservatives.

It really is quite sad.

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I see it looks like you are blaming republicans for the victim mentality? :roll:

No. Those people were included. But if you paid attention to posts above yours...you would see that. You just want to turn this into a partisan hack debate. Your just the left side of other posters I have responded too. And if I recall? It was happening during the bush administration as well. It was quieter. But it was happening. Social media hadn’t gotten rolling quite as well as it had during Obama. The victim mentality has a voice now. Unlike ever before too.

So you can spare me the political nonsense. The victim mentality knows no political boundary.

TTB said:

*Reads Thread Title*
*Peruses Thread*
*Plays 'Get Over It' by the Eagles in support*
*Goes back to work, break over*

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Good response. Something our kids need to be taught.

My dad’s favorite to “that’s not fair” or “it isn’t my fault” was to sing the rolling stone’s to me and my sister. “You can’t always get what you want.” I hated that song for a long time. Loved it when I got a little older lol.

blackjack50 said:

I see it looks like you are blaming republicans for the victim mentality? :roll:

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Not even close.

You're talking about one meme-worth type of supposed "victim mentality" that you see on your TV show. I'm talking about a different kind of victim mentality I see splattered across DP. I'm not blaming "Republicans" for the meme-worthy "victim mentality" you are.

I'm saying that quite a lot of right wingers here on DP have their own version of a victim mentality in which "the left" has arrayed vast forces against the right. These days, it's apparently the entire administrative apparatus "deep state" in addition to courts, to the media, yadda yadda.

Are you seriously going to try to deny that there are countless posts here claiming that the FBI,CIA,etc., conspired to try to harm Trump? That "the left" (once "Obama and the Democrats") want to take away your gun so as to hurt your freedoms? That "liberal activist judges" are working to take away freedoms (aka, make rulings that certain conservatives don't like)? That the "liberal lamestream media" isn't constantly lambasted for reporting things that put Trump, Republicans, and/or conservatives or their causes in a negative light? That the same media tirelessly worked to promote Hillary, to conservatives' perceived detriment?

I mean, you can deny that. But it wouldn't really change reality. The threads are all saved.

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blackjack50 said:

No. Those people were included. But if you paid attention to posts above yours...you would see that. You just want to turn this into a partisan hack debate. Your just the left side of other posters I have responded too. And if I recall? It was happening during the bush administration as well. It was quieter. But it was happening. Social media hadn’t gotten rolling quite as well as it had during Obama. The victim mentality has a voice now. Unlike ever before too. So you can spare me the political nonsense. The victim mentality knows no political boundary.

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As I explained, you're talking about some notion of a "victim mentality" you apparently got from Live PD!, while I'm talking about a different kind of victim mentality I see right here on DP day-in/day-out.

Mr Person said:

Not even close.

You're talking about one meme-worth type of supposed "victim mentality" that you see on your TV show. I'm talking about a different kind of victim mentality I see splattered across DP. I'm not blaming "Republicans" for the meme-worthy "victim mentality" you are.

I'm saying that quite a lot of right wingers here on DP have their own version of a victim mentality in which "the left" has arrayed vast forces against the right. These days, it's apparently the entire administrative apparatus "deep state" in addition to courts, to the media, yadda yadda.

Are you seriously going to try to deny that there are countless posts here claiming that the FBI,CIA,etc., conspired to try to harm Trump? That "the left" (once "Obama and the Democrats") want to take away your gun so as to hurt your freedoms? That "liberal activist judges" are working to take away freedoms (aka, make rulings that certain conservatives don't like)? That the "liberal lamestream media" isn't constantly lambasted for reporting things that put Trump, Republicans, and/or conservatives or their causes in a negative light? That the same media tirelessly worked to promote Hillary, to conservatives' perceived detriment?

I mean, you can deny that. But it wouldn't really change reality. The threads are all saved.

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As I explained, you're talking about some notion of a "victim mentality" you apparently got from Live PD!, while I'm talking about a different kind of victim mentality I see right here on DP day-in/day-out.

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This is more of you spinning because you realize I wasn’t being a partisan hack. You couldn’t jump some conservatives **** for being a hypocrite. I know the game. Spare me. I was talking about ALL the victim mentality dumbasses. The ones I saw on TV are the same ones that you see here. You know why I don’t listen to Rush? Because he is a dip**** victim. Like I said. You are just pulling the same “blame the other party” crap that another poster already did. You are just on the other side.

The fact is. We live in an increasingly narcissistic world. Take mass shooters. Never blame themselves. And I personally feel that is part of the problem. And then you have this most recent one? The school and police and the fbi were aware? But he still walked free? But we want to blame the NRA? Are you kidding? Heads need to ROLL. And not just the armed security that was on campus. This wasn’t a failure on 1 single officer. And the NRA itself? They can’t even propose a good solution to what was clearly a failing in the system. They keep having people like ted nugent represent them. Wtf?

So no. This is a bipartisan ass hat display of victim mentality stupidity. And I’m talking about ALL of it. My personal solution? I’m getting back into teaching. And I intend to teach kids something I used as a counselor...”don’t be a victim. What was your role?” When the kids say “I’m bullied” or insert other excuse for something that is likely only a half truth. I’m a dictator. I don’t negotiate with terorirsts. I don’t believe in lobbying or lawyering either. And if more parents were that way? We would see less of this **** now.

blackjack50 said:

This is more of you spinning because you realize I wasn’t being a partisan hack.

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I actually didn't say anything about you personally.



You might not like the fact that I am indicting quite a few DP conservatives for playing victim across a wide range of subjects, but pretending not to understand what I was saying (your first response) and pretending that I was attacking you specifically (your second response) doesn't make me wrong.

The victim card can be played by both sides, as has been said. But I worked for over 40 years with poor and disadvantaged folks in various contexts on what woud be called the left, and I met only one person in the field, such as it is, who ever operated on that premise, and she was the object of eye-rolling whenever she used that theme to excuse bad behavior. I think one needs to accept the contradictory notions of advocating that, for example, an individual poor person take responsibility for their situation, while acknowledging and addressing the societal factors that may keep that person down.

Btw, look up a clip you can find on line under “Tony Soprano and whatever happened to Gary Cooper.” His riff on individual responsibility is a great scene. In fact, that whole Sopranos episode manages to both justify and poke fun at victim culture.

Nickyjo said:

The victim card can be played by both sides, as has been said. But I worked for over 40 years with poor and disadvantaged folks in various contexts on what woud be called the left, and I met only one person in the field, such as it is, who ever operated on that premise, and she was the object of eye-rolling whenever she used that theme to excuse bad behavior. I think one needs to accept the contradictory notions of advocating that, for example, an individual poor person take responsibility for their situation, while acknowledging and addressing the societal factors that may keep that person down.

Btw, look up a clip you can find on line under “Tony Soprano and whatever happened to Gary Cooper.” His riff on individual responsibility is a great scene. In fact, that whole Sopranos episode manages to both justify and poke fun at victim culture.

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P.S. it’s the scene of Tony in the car with a couple of others.

blackjack50 said:

Watching Live Pd tonight with my family. These poor cops deal with it all the time. Everyone has an excuse and it is never their fault. They are a victim. I deal with it in my job (insurance industry). Parents and their kids. It is the teacher’s fault the kids are bad. Why do people do this? This is real frustrating. How often do you guys notice this crap? How much of a problem do you think it is now? How about in our political climate?

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Most people learn as children to blame it on someone else. A lot of people never grow up.

Moderate Right said:

Most people learn as children to blame it on someone else. A lot of people never grow up.

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Well said.

MovingPictures said:

It can go both ways.

I see an irony in how many people who complain about victim culture, also act like victims themselves.

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It's funny any right winger who always deflects to the "victim culture" and blames liberals are always the one acting persecuted because they can't defend their arguments, and have no facts to argue liberals points, so just whine about being attacked and persecuted. Oh my, these people are ridiculous.

Also, people act like the past was full of roses, it was violent, it was horrible, there was lack of justice, in fact, the justice system often was OK with lynching, beatings, wrongful imprisonment, murder. Women and kids were raped, kidnapped, there were serial killer, mass murders, gang violence, drug problems. We jsut didn't hear about every one of them. To think that today we have a standard where all types of people are treated fairly (or we try to), they can't be discriminated against, and all the other injustices can't be done, because the information about this is spread quickly, acts are caught on tape.

Yes, certain things are out of hand and a lot of that is on the parents for being helicopter parents and not being rational. Maybe because all the information and scary stuff we are constantly fed, that's why they want to wrap their kids in a bubble.

I also find it ironic if any conservative makes this claims when their entire political view is "its the liberals fault"

Sampson Simpson said:

It's funny any right winger who always deflects to the "victim culture" and blames liberals are always the one acting persecuted because they can't defend their arguments, and have no facts to argue liberals points, so just whine about being attacked and persecuted. Oh my, these people are ridiculous.

Also, people act like the past was full of roses, it was violent, it was horrible, there was lack of justice, in fact, the justice system often was OK with lynching, beatings, wrongful imprisonment, murder. Women and kids were raped, kidnapped, there were serial killer, mass murders, gang violence, drug problems. We jsut didn't hear about every one of them. To think that today we have a standard where all types of people are treated fairly (or we try to), they can't be discriminated against, and all the other injustices can't be done, because the information about this is spread quickly, acts are caught on tape.

Yes, certain things are out of hand and a lot of that is on the parents for being helicopter parents and not being rational. Maybe because all the information and scary stuff we are constantly fed, that's why they want to wrap their kids in a bubble.

I also find it ironic if any conservative makes this claims when their entire political view is "its the liberals fault"

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A lot of the modern right-wing is composed of people simply unable to look beyond their own perspective. I can't help but laugh at the psychological projection so many of them take part in.

Trump is a pathological lair, so he accuses all media outlets of being fakenews. Dana Loesch profits from her NRA speeches after public shootings, so she accuses the media of loving mass shootings. Jeanine Pirro and her husband cheat on their taxes to the sum of a million dollars, so they accuse the Clinton's of being crooked. FOX news is heavy slanted towards Republicans, so they accuse everyone else of being biased.

And on and on the examples go.

It's important in conversations with conservatives to ask yourself whether they are projected an accusation, as often times that's the case.