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Actually, I've shot many guns in my life. 30 06 is what the guys my family hunted with, and the laugh at people using AR-15's and M16's.

Again I don't believe a world you are saying. No one hunts with an M16 or any model of M16. So please tell us why hunting with an AR is somehow worse than say using a Ruger Model 44 or Remington Model 750?
 
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Yeah, hunting is a sport, most of the guys I know that hunt will say that. If you're just killing something to prove that you can kill something, then you might as well use landmines and Tommy guns to get the job done. If you're hunting for the sake of sport, you should be using a weapon that doesn't enhance what is an already massive advantage for the hunter.


Very few hunters are capable of clean shots where I come from (Texas), perhaps things are different where you come from.

That seals it. You are talking out of the side of your neck. Most hunters I know can knock a prairie dog off a hill at 100 yards with an open sight .22 or 30 30 lever action including myself.
 
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I thought about that while typing it too. But the point is that you jump through hoops for financial crap (And a whole host of other things), surely we can do it for certain deadly weapons.
We spend hours every day doing everything from work to play to relationships on networks and phones, and yet it's all tracked by 100 different companies in 100 different ways...but minimal tracking of deadly weapons is a sacred cow? I just think it's nonsense.

All guns (handguns, shotguns and rifles) are deadly weapons. What, exactly, is this "minimal tracking" that you propose?
 
I meant US not us. You mean like the curling and female hockey team losses to the US? hehehe.

Sorry, I can't hear you. Sounded like you said 'hookey'.
 
Hunting with an AR-15? Geez, hunters have zero balls today. That's not hunting, that's killing.

Use bolt action, like a true sportsman.

that's really stupid. for some hunting an AR 15 is better choice.

stop telling others what they need to use
 
Actually, I've shot many guns in my life. 30 06 is what the guys my family hunted with, and the laugh at people using AR-15's and M16's.

I laugh at people playing squash with a tennis racquet or putting with a driver.

same thing
 
And yet that means you won't budge on any such criteria, not because the criteria is wrong, but because you're paranoid of things unrelated to such rules.

So you want no gun laws because of paranoia? I accept that you feel that way, but I reject it as a valid reason and argument.

I support punishing people who use weapons in a way that harms or has a high probability of harming innocents.

I don't support laws that impede honest people (those with clean records) from owning any type of firearm
 
Yeah, hunting is a sport, most of the guys I know that hunt will say that. If you're just killing something to prove that you can kill something, then you might as well use landmines and Tommy guns to get the job done. If you're hunting for the sake of sport, you should be using a weapon that doesn't enhance what is an already massive advantage for the hunter.


Very few hunters are capable of clean shots where I come from (Texas), perhaps things are different where you come from.

I hunt for one single reason, to put meat in the freezer for myself, family and friends. A hunter who cant get a clean shot should not pull a trigger. If you are interested in seeing what a hunt for harvest not "sport" looks like, see my thread "hog hunt".

Hunting is not a game or sort, but a harvest. The hunters job is not to make a 400 yard trick shot, but get as close as possible.
 
Gotta second that, and props for a pretty clear explanation for someone who doesn't really get gun culture and usage, and doesn't have an axe to grind. While some people like to tell the story of the one that got away, because they were using some kind of sporting rifle, for other people that could represent a $1000 increase in their grocery bill, if not more when the cost of an unsuccessful hunt is factored in. And that's for maybe one or two unsuccessful tags, depending on what you're after.

I don't think it takes away from the importance of somehow solving the issue of kids getting killed with them in classrooms, but that solution can only be found by taking into consideration what is important to both sides of the gun control debate. If the goal is to get rid of AR-15's, then there is far more justification to getting rid of handguns, which account for a vast majority of gun deaths in the states. Next on the list are shotguns. There's far more to solving the issue of why people are inclined to walk into public places to commit mass murder than picking a particular brand of gun to ban, and washing your hands of it.

I haven't seen any solutions put forward that will solve that from either side of the debate, frankly, and that's because everyone is too busy pointing fingers and trying to be right. We need to talk to each other and understand the problem before we knee jerk into yet another "solution" that ends in more dead kids.

Great post, I agree.
 
Tell you what, Bob, if you ever meet me or one of my friends in the bush and you're packing one of those sexy-looking fashion statements, well, being Canadian we might not actually point and laugh but you'll definitly get grinned at. And called 'Rambo' behind your back.

Don't own one, never have. Only guns I own are two 44 cap n ball.P1010054 (1).JPG Cast my own bullets, the mold and ladle are in the pic.
 
Don't own one, never have. Only guns I own are two 44 cap n ball.View attachment 67229162 Cast my own bullets, the mold and ladle are in the pic.

I used to shoot cap and ball 44. I did not however cast my own. Hehe where I discovered bore butter. Started using it on everything, lol!
 
I used to shoot cap and ball 44. I did not however cast my own. Hehe where I discovered bore butter. Started using it on everything, lol!

I use a toilet paper wad between the ball and powder, to prevent chainfire (had one) used to put Crisco over the chamber top, too messy! TP is a fire hazard, though!
 
I use a toilet paper wad between the ball and powder, to prevent chainfire (had one) used to put Crisco over the chamber top, too messy! TP is a fire hazard, though!

lol! Yea I actually used some stuff I would buy at the gun shop on the way to willow slew in Indiana. Never had a chainfire, bet that was overly exciting!

I would load the powder and put a little bore butter on top of the ball with a patch. Never had an issue except for the damn caps falling off! How do you stop that from happening?
 
Don't own one, never have. Only guns I own are two 44 cap n ball.View attachment 67229162 Cast my own bullets, the mold and ladle are in the pic.

Simple, basic tools. I've got a single shot .22 for the vermin and a lever action Marlin for deer hunting. It's short, light, and perfect for the dense bush hereabouts. I don't say people shouldn't be allowed to have those rifles if they want them, I just say they look like toys. Let's-pretend things, and hereabouts guns are only something you need like a pry bar or a chain saw.
 
Hunting with an AR-15? Geez, hunters have zero balls today. That's not hunting, that's killing.

Use bolt action, like a true sportsman.

What is sporting about camouflaging yourself and sniping and animal from a few 100 yards? Granted, I'm not a crazy animal lover, but to say one form of shooting is more sporting than another is stupid. Besudes, the guys hunting with ARs are not spraying the aminal with bullets. He's using one or two shots.
 
lol! Yea I actually used some stuff I would buy at the gun shop on the way to willow slew in Indiana. Never had a chainfire, bet that was overly exciting!

I would load the powder and put a little bore butter on top of the ball with a patch. Never had an issue except for the damn caps falling off! How do you stop that from happening?
#11 caps, pinch them a bit into an "ellipsoid"?
 
Hunting with an AR-15? Geez, hunters have zero balls today. That's not hunting, that's killing.

Use bolt action, like a true sportsman.

I have hunted rabbit for the pot with a slingshot, 20 ft range, headshot. If I hit, it was in the head, if I missed, it was a total miss. I know my slingshot, my accuracy range and ability. I hung a sheet with a can in the middle and used lead ball at 20 ft range for weeks in my backyard until 8 out of ten shots hit the can. Only then did I go slingshot hunting. If was much over 20 ft, I would not shoot, as I know that is beyond my skill level and I am likely to wound, not kill. That is hunters ethics. Not a sport.

I got my first and only hog with a pistol. It was beautiful, I got to within 80 to a 100 ft before firing. Even then, I missed twice as I had not shot my gun more than 20 times. I realized it was shooting high and aimed at the ground under the hog, double lung shot.

People that shoot for "sport" don't deserve to be called a hunter IMO.
 
lol! Yea I actually used some stuff I would buy at the gun shop on the way to willow slew in Indiana. Never had a chainfire, bet that was overly exciting!

I would load the powder and put a little bore butter on top of the ball with a patch. Never had an issue except for the damn caps falling off! How do you stop that from happening?

Chain fired a. 44 revolver. One out the barrel, two out the right side. Glorious cloud of smoke. Bystander asked "is it supposed to do that?"
 
Chain fired a. 44 revolver. One out the barrel, two out the right side. Glorious cloud of smoke. Bystander asked "is it supposed to do that?"

LMAO! That is a classic in the making. Wish I has a recording of that.
 
LMAO! That is a classic in the making. Wish I has a recording of that.

First time out with a weapon I had assembled from a kit. A little crisco and everything settled down.

With mine the caps would split upon firing. If I clocked the hammer for the next shot with the muzzle level it would often jam. I started cocking with the muzzle vertical and the spent caps would exit allowing me to continue firing.


One. 44 Colt Replica from kit.

One .31 Colt Replica

One .44 Philadelphia Derringer from kit.

Great fun... The kit guns I put together when 15 or 16.
 
First time out with a weapon I had assembled from a kit. A little crisco and everything settled down.

With mine the caps would split upon firing. If I clocked the hammer for the next shot with the muzzle level it would often jam. I started cocking with the muzzle vertical and the spent caps would exit allowing me to continue firing.


One. 44 Colt Replica from kit.

One .31 Colt Replica

One .44 Philadelphia Derringer from kit.

Great fun... The kit guns I put together when 15 or 16.

I had two Umbertti? I believe the name was. I had two 1858 New Army .44-Caliber revolvers I think, lol. I know they were Army for certain. It's been a long time.
 
I had two Umbertti? I believe the name was. I had two 1858 New Army .44-Caliber revolvers I think, lol. I know they were Army for certain. It's been a long time.

Umberti are a very good make. My Colt kit was a no name kit. Very raw castings that took a lot of file and sandpaper work to look presentable. After many hours I was able to get them to look more like the real thing, but never got close to factory finish.
 
First time out with a weapon I had assembled from a kit. A little crisco and everything settled down.

With mine the caps would split upon firing. If I clocked the hammer for the next shot with the muzzle level it would often jam. I started cocking with the muzzle vertical and the spent caps would exit allowing me to continue firing.


One. 44 Colt Replica from kit.

One .31 Colt Replica

One .44 Philadelphia Derringer from kit.

Great fun... The kit guns I put together when 15 or 16.

Yep, the spent caps can fall down into the frame and bind up the action. My chainfire was 12 o clock and 6 oclock. 6 O clock lodged the ball into the loading lever cut out in the frame. I knew right away from the extra smoke, recoil and noise.
 
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