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Parkland shooting could be 'tipping point' in 2018 races

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Parkland shooting could be 'tipping point' in 2018 races


Feb. 21, 2018

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Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum joins with students from FSU in marching to the Florida Capitol to protest gun violence.

Republican candidates for governor have plenty to worry about if the outcry from student survivors of the Parkland high school shooting massacre turns into powerful political movement rather than a temporary election-year radar blip. Democrats traditionally turn out in fewer numbers in off-year elections, which has helped the Republican Party keep an iron grip on the Governor’s Mansion since 1998, when Jeb Bush first was elected. But political experts say a renewed and passionate push for gun control — sparked by the killing of 14 students and three teachers Feb. 14 at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School — could become a defining issue of the campaign and help Democratic contenders. “The times have clearly changed,” said Susan MacManus, political science professor at the University of South Florida. “And the activism of the students and their parents and grandparents and everyone else has made this a bigger issue and a much more politically impactful issue. I think it has ramifications for any partisan race from the top of the ticket down to local races. The message is loud. And Republicans will ignore it at their own peril.”

Political science experts said the issue could cut both ways — Second Amendment advocates are sure to be energized as lawmakers debate how to deal with gun violence. “One of the running themes on this issue has always been that Second Amendment and pro-gun rights supporters tend to be more easily activated on these issues,” he said. “While gun control proponents tend to have a number of issues that motivate them. It almost certainly would cause intensity on both sides of the issue. If it becomes an essential issue, you’ll see turnout increase on both sides.” Aubrey Jewett, political science professor at the University of Central Florida, said past mass shootings, including the slaughter of 49 people at Orlando’s Pulse nightclub in 2016, didn’t lead to change. But he said it’s possible a tipping point has been reached with the Parkland shooting.

I get the sense that the Parkland massacre/#NeverAgain could very well be a political tipping point. During a mesmerizing Town Hall meeting on CNN last night, the mother of the slain Geography teacher asked Sen. Marco Rubio point blank is he plans to continue accepting campaign money from the NRA. After trying to dance around it for a bit, but then again pressed by the mother to answer the question, Rubio said yes and looked very uncomfortable. It was an electrifying moment in the auditorium that was palpable.
 
You better hope so. Because if people vote based on the economy(which they mostly do) the liberals are totally screwed.
 
Parkland shooting could be 'tipping point' in 2018 races




I get the sense that the Parkland massacre/#NeverAgain could very well be a political tipping point. During a mesmerizing Town Hall meeting on CNN last night, the mother of the slain Geography teacher asked Sen. Marco Rubio point blank is he plans to continue accepting campaign money from the NRA. After trying to dance around it for a bit, but then again pressed by the mother to answer the question, Rubio said yes and looked very uncomfortable. It was an electrifying moment in the auditorium that was palpable.

How come nobody was asking the other Senator if he was going to continue to accept campaign contributions from planned parenthood and the NAACP? Outside from the obivious the town hall was just a chance for all the people who hate guns to go and scream at elected officials.
People that want less gun owners in america are screaming at donors to the republican party and against a organization that wants to keep guns in americans hands. Is that really a bad thing? Is it any different then planned parenthood that donates to democrats and wants to be able to perform the most amount of abortions?
 
I get the sense that the Parkland massacre could very well be a political tipping point.

I agree.

The explosion of gun-haters loudly screaming to ban our guns will be the thing that energizes the Trump base again.
 
Parkland shooting could be 'tipping point' in 2018 races




I get the sense that the Parkland massacre/#NeverAgain could very well be a political tipping point. During a mesmerizing Town Hall meeting on CNN last night, the mother of the slain Geography teacher asked Sen. Marco Rubio point blank is he plans to continue accepting campaign money from the NRA. After trying to dance around it for a bit, but then again pressed by the mother to answer the question, Rubio said yes and looked very uncomfortable. It was an electrifying moment in the auditorium that was palpable.

I highly doubt it -- it's only February and already the media is backing off on coverage. Nothing, to date, has matched the horror of the Sandy Hook shooting and that didn't carry over into the 2106 election season, so this is likely to burn out even more quickly.

The reason is because the average voter understands the difference between guns committing crimes and people committing crimes.

In another month, sadly, the Parkland shooting will have faded, even if we see some latent marches by a few of the kids.
 
I highly doubt it -- it's only February and already the media is backing off on coverage. Nothing, to date, has matched the horror of the Sandy Hook shooting and that didn't carry over into the 2106 election season, so this is likely to burn out even more quickly.

The reason is because the average voter understands the difference between guns committing crimes and people committing crimes.

In another month, sadly, the Parkland shooting will have faded, even if we see some latent marches by a few of the kids.

Not to mention the fact that these kids are going to get tired of skipping school to do media interviews. Heck, in a couple months they are going to be spending all their free time at the beach.
 
Parkland shooting could be 'tipping point' in 2018 races




I get the sense that the Parkland massacre/#NeverAgain could very well be a political tipping point. During a mesmerizing Town Hall meeting on CNN last night, the mother of the slain Geography teacher asked Sen. Marco Rubio point blank is he plans to continue accepting campaign money from the NRA. After trying to dance around it for a bit, but then again pressed by the mother to answer the question, Rubio said yes and looked very uncomfortable. It was an electrifying moment in the auditorium that was palpable.

Supporting the 2A (or any other BoR amendment limiting government oppression/control) is not taking a pro-crime position no matter what CNN or MSNBC says. Murder is a crime reagrdless of the tool used - the fact that the FL mass shooter legally owned the gun that he used to commit that crime makes zero difference in their criminal responsibility. Handguns and knives are used far more often to commit murder than rifles (of any type) are yet legally owning those "crime tools" is not being addressed - why do you suppose that is so?

IMHO, those that now wish to ban or heavily regulate/restrict legal gun ownership (knowing that it will never pass on a federal or Florifuh state level) are placing themselves in more political peril than those that wish to keep the BoR intact and take other measures to better secure public schools than simply declaring them to be "gun free zones". When the demorats had unrestrained federal power, and used it to pass PPACA (federal insurance mandates), they did not address "gun control", DACA, free college, a $15/hour MW, UHC or many of the things that they now purport to be "solidly" for. The reason is that they knew, full well, the political price of (cost for?) doing so.
 
Parkland shooting could be 'tipping point' in 2018 races




I get the sense that the Parkland massacre/#NeverAgain could very well be a political tipping point. During a mesmerizing Town Hall meeting on CNN last night, the mother of the slain Geography teacher asked Sen. Marco Rubio point blank is he plans to continue accepting campaign money from the NRA. After trying to dance around it for a bit, but then again pressed by the mother to answer the question, Rubio said yes and looked very uncomfortable. It was an electrifying moment in the auditorium that was palpable.
While I would like to see Congress more balanced, the odds of the school shooting being the tipping point is not high, there really is not as much support for banning guns as some seem to believe. Most that own them are not going to support a candidate that wants to remove or severely limit their Rights and many of those owners are Liberals, something many on the left seem to forget. Oh, and just so ya know, I lean left.
 
How come nobody was asking the other Senator if he was going to continue to accept campaign contributions from planned parenthood and the NAACP? Outside from the obivious the town hall was just a chance for all the people who hate guns to go and scream at elected officials.
People that want less gun owners in america are screaming at donors to the republican party and against a organization that wants to keep guns in americans hands. Is that really a bad thing? Is it any different then planned parenthood that donates to democrats and wants to be able to perform the most amount of abortions?

Planned Parenthood and NAACP?

I must have missed the tragedies last week involving things they lobby for. Can you link them for us?
 
Not to mention the fact that these kids are going to get tired of skipping school to do media interviews. Heck, in a couple months they are going to be spending all their free time at the beach.

Kids who have just watched friends get shot are going to just forget the whole thing? Yeah sure.
 
How come nobody was asking the other Senator if he was going to continue to accept campaign contributions from planned parenthood and the NAACP? Outside from the obivious the town hall was just a chance for all the people who hate guns to go and scream at elected officials.
People that want less gun owners in america are screaming at donors to the republican party and against a organization that wants to keep guns in americans hands. Is that really a bad thing? Is it any different then planned parenthood that donates to democrats and wants to be able to perform the most amount of abortions?

This is one of the most wildly desperate attempts at deflection I've seen lately. The NRA is pushing for more guns in our schools, the NAACP is pushing for more school in our schools.
 
Parkland shooting could be 'tipping point' in 2018 races




I get the sense that the Parkland massacre/#NeverAgain could very well be a political tipping point. During a mesmerizing Town Hall meeting on CNN last night, the mother of the slain Geography teacher asked Sen. Marco Rubio point blank is he plans to continue accepting campaign money from the NRA. After trying to dance around it for a bit, but then again pressed by the mother to answer the question, Rubio said yes and looked very uncomfortable. It was an electrifying moment in the auditorium that was palpable.

Tipping point? Maybe. I'm smart enough to remember 2006, and how wildly unpopular the Iraq War was, especially with the generation of new voters who started voicing their displeasure with votes. It's rather surprising that other Republicans seem to have forgotten that.

As far as Rubio, his answer was honest and it was accurate. I'm not saying that in terms of the content as I have no opinion on whether he should or shouldn't take NRA money right now. But that's a discussion that really isn't relevant in what's happening. Marco Rubio declining more donations for the NRA isn't really what these people want, and they know it. Rubio was elected by constituents who are presumably pro-NRA, and he still has an obligation to represent them. So it was a pretty ridiculous question at this conjecture, but that said, I completely understand why she asked it. I can't relate to her grief but I understand it.
 
Not to mention the fact that these kids are going to get tired of skipping school to do media interviews. Heck, in a couple months they are going to be spending all their free time at the beach.

Yeah, and you can bet that Scott, who wants to run for the Senate, and all the other A-plus NRA politicos looking to be on the November ballot can't wait to change the subject.
 
Kids who have just watched friends get shot are going to just forget the whole thing? Yeah sure.

No. They won't forget. But the media will lose their access.
 
Planned Parenthood and NAACP?

I must have missed the tragedies last week involving things they lobby for. Can you link them for us?

Are you denying that planned parenthood kills fetuses that are potential human life?
 
Are you denying that planned parenthood kills fetuses that are potential human life?

This isn't the abortion forum. We do have one where you can debate that 'til the cows come home. I suggest you get back on topic here, which is the Parkland Shooting and its potential impact on the 2018 election.
 
This is one of the most wildly desperate attempts at deflection I've seen lately. The NRA is pushing for more guns in our schools, the NAACP is pushing for more school in our schools.

Actually planned parenthood had pushed for legalizing abortions and to further reduce the age limit on abortions and to get tax payers money to help reduce the costs of those abortions so lower income individuals can afford abortions.
NAACP has long history of a veriety of different issues. But they can be seen advocating for white people not to be seen acting a historicle black person and advocating for black people to portry white people. They advocate more black people to get scholarships and jobs over white people and to disregard who is more qualified to fill the vacancies. They are a major contributor for race baiting and identity politics.
Maybe you agree with what the NAACP and PP advocate for, but can the NRA not advocate for more guns in more homes in america as well?
To say one organization gets to advocate and donate money while one you dont agree with cant is just to be a partisian hack and therefor should not be considered to have any credibility.
 
This isn't the abortion forum. We do have one where you can debate that 'til the cows come home. I suggest you get back on topic here, which is the Parkland Shooting and its potential impact on the 2018 election.

Ok I can agree with that, I didnt mean to derail the thread. Just was pointing out the hypocrisy of say one ORG can contribute to a political campaign and another cannot just because you disagree with their posistion.
 
Ok I can agree with that, I didnt mean to derail the thread. Just was pointing out the hypocrisy of say one ORG can contribute to a political campaign and another cannot just because you disagree with their posistion.

You mean like in 2015 when Ted Cruz and Rand Paul both publicly demanded that Hillary Clinton return all the donations she got from Planned Parenthood? That kind of hypocrisy?
 
You mean like in 2015 when Ted Cruz and Rand Paul both publicly demanded that Hillary Clinton return all the donations she got from Planned Parenthood? That kind of hypocrisy?

While that was a talking point for those two senators, Hillary didnt do it and their was no law changes to prevent them (PP) from continuelly doing so. So if you wish for politicians and people to yell at republicans go right ahead but trying to prevent the NRA from donating and or prevent any politician from excepting their donations is ignorant.
 
While that was a talking point for those two senators, Hillary didnt do it and their was no law changes to prevent them (PP) from continuelly doing so. So if you wish for politicians and people to yell at republicans go right ahead but trying to prevent the NRA from donating and or prevent any politician from excepting their donations is ignorant.

Huh? When did I say it's okay to yell at Republicans?

Nobody can prevent the NRA from donating to anyone.

I guess you're saying that Cruz and Paul were ignorant.
 
Kids who have just watched friends get shot are going to just forget the whole thing? Yeah sure.

They won't forget it, but many of them will begin to see how having a gun could have kept some of their friends alive and then they'll understand that they're arguing for their own limitations. So, they'll quietly drop back -- drop out. And, they will do other things -- like going to the beach -- because no one wants to wallow in grief, especially not a kid.

There will still be a few kids, likely those pushed by their partisan parents, who stay the course, but only a few. Wait and see. Life has a way of moving on and kids have a way of healing. That's not a bad thing.
 
Maybe it's just me (also a gun owner), but I can't see the Democrats just allowing this issue to simply fade away. It's too dynamic and it effects practically everyone if we consider the extended family.

Also, Trump's initiative to arm grammar/secondary school teachers, (20%-30% as he suggested = ~1,000,000 teachers) seems like pie in the sky plus the idea is getting negative feedback from teacher orgs.
 
Maybe it's just me (also a gun owner), but I can't see the Democrats just allowing this issue to simply fade away. It's too dynamic and it effects practically everyone if we consider the extended family.

Also, Trump's initiative to arm grammar/secondary school teachers, (20%-30% as he suggested = ~1,000,000 teachers) seems like pie in the sky plus the idea is getting negative feedback from teacher orgs.

You think the Democrats are strong enough politically to push through a constitutional amendment?
 
Parkland shooting could be 'tipping point' in 2018 races




I get the sense that the Parkland massacre/#NeverAgain could very well be a political tipping point. During a mesmerizing Town Hall meeting on CNN last night, the mother of the slain Geography teacher asked Sen. Marco Rubio point blank is he plans to continue accepting campaign money from the NRA. After trying to dance around it for a bit, but then again pressed by the mother to answer the question, Rubio said yes and looked very uncomfortable. It was an electrifying moment in the auditorium that was palpable.


The CNN thing was staged propaganda fed to the true believers to believe what they already believe. He should have been asked if he was taking money from pharmaceutical companies, not the NRA.


How many questions during that useful idiot propaganda town hall was mental health asked about, how many questions on the failure of local and federal inactions where there. how many questions on fotifying schools were there? no, this was an anti-gun propaganda circle jerk that useful idiots ate up without question,
 
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