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White House says: Trump harder on Russia than Obama? Not exactly.

Vetplus40

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Watching Sanders reguritate the comment that Trump had been harder on Russia in his first year than Obama had been in, was simply unbelievable to say the least. I remember countless times that Trump had said that "it might have been Russia or it might have been somebody else". Hardly a definitive statement blaming Russia. I also remember Trump commenting that he believed Putin when Putin said that Russia wasn't involved (then having to "walk back" that comment after receiving criticism). In addition, I remember an interview where Trump said with certaintly that Russia didn't do it.

The above being stated, I find it almost unreal that Sanders would lie about a subject that could be - and was - so easily fact checked. The ease with which this White House lies - almost on a daily basis - is simply unlike anything that we have ever experienced before. Given such a plethora of consitent lies, how are we supposed to believe Trump should we ever have to deal with another national tragedy like 9/11? Why Trump prefers to be known as the "Liar-in-Chief" is beyond me, but he has certainly earned the title and almost seems to be proud of it.

Donald Trump'''s Tweets About Russia and Obama Defy the Facts | Time
 
She doesn't have a security clearance. Maybe she 's not in the loop. Or it's just business as usual for her. Lying.
 
Parrish said:
She doesn't have a security clearance. Maybe she 's not in the loop. Or it's just business as usual for her. Lying.
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I watch her facial expressions very carefully and can see that the job is taking its toll on her. If you listen closely, she is starting to distance herself from Trump as well.
 
Vetplus40 said:
I watch her facial expressions very carefully and can see that the job is taking its toll on her. If you listen closely, she is starting to distance herself from Trump as well.
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She has lost all credibility a long while ago. Her future job prospects are in jeopardy unless she speaks with Mueller and his staff.
 
Vetplus40 said:
Watching Sanders reguritate the comment that Trump had been harder on Russia in his first year than Obama had been in, was simply unbelievable to say the least. I remember countless times that Trump had said that "it might have been Russia or it might have been somebody else". Hardly a definitive statement blaming Russia. I also remember Trump commenting that he believed Putin when Putin said that Russia wasn't involved (then having to "walk back" that comment after receiving criticism). In addition, I remember an interview where Trump said with certaintly that Russia didn't do it.

The above being stated, I find it almost unreal that Sanders would lie about a subject that could be - and was - so easily fact checked. The ease with which this White House lies - almost on a daily basis - is simply unlike anything that we have ever experienced before. Given such a plethora of consitent lies, how are we supposed to believe Trump should we ever have to deal with another national tragedy like 9/11? Why Trump prefers to be known as the "Liar-in-Chief" is beyond me, but he has certainly earned the title and almost seems to be proud of it.

Donald Trump'''s Tweets About Russia and Obama Defy the Facts | Time
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No he is not, as Obama with Hillary in his stable were basically skirting war with another super power.

Trump can be technically be harder with them, as they are covering more ground. Just not while also trying to get the lot of us killed in the process.

Though just claiming the White House lies on a daily basis, while also citing such a publication. Pretty much shows an intense bias on this issue as is.
 
Oborosen said:
No he is not, as Obama with Hillary in his stable were basically skirting war with another super power.

Trump can be technically be harder with them, as they are covering more ground. Just not while also trying to get the lot of us killed in the process.

Though just claiming the White House lies on a daily basis, while also citing such a publication. Pretty much shows an intense bias on this issue as is.
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I watch the daily WH pressers each and every day that they are held. This WH is the most blatant about providing incorrect and ouright false information that I have ever seen. In a nutshell, Trump has done virtually nothing regarding Russia and the facts show it. Yet, he continues to rely on the "less educated" supporters to simply give him a free pass.
 
Vetplus40 said:
I watch the daily WH pressers each and every day that they are held. This WH is the most blatant about providing incorrect and ouright false information that I have ever seen. In a nutshell, Trump has done virtually nothing regarding Russia and the facts show it. Yet, he continues to rely on the "less educated" supporters to simply give him a free pass.
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Saying that he has done virtually nothing, even though he have seen the past actions done with the Russian sanctions. Makes you no better, or actually worse then what you are claiming up the White House. Not to mention going below the bar and just declaring his supporters as "less educated". Shows that I shouldn't expect more then just derision and personal attacks from the likes of you.

Though, when you are citing TIME magazine. A publication that has done the exact same as many of the other media outlets this year. So far so that it has nearly copy/pasted articles from other sources and all who rely on same shaky evidence, or lack thereof.

I can pretty much see why you would have to resort to such low grade tactics.

Have a nice day.
 
Vetplus40 said:
Watching Sanders reguritate the comment that Trump had been harder on Russia in his first year than Obama had been in, was simply unbelievable to say the least. I remember countless times that Trump had said that "it might have been Russia or it might have been somebody else". Hardly a definitive statement blaming Russia. I also remember Trump commenting that he believed Putin when Putin said that Russia wasn't involved (then having to "walk back" that comment after receiving criticism). In addition, I remember an interview where Trump said with certaintly that Russia didn't do it.

The above being stated, I find it almost unreal that Sanders would lie about a subject that could be - and was - so easily fact checked. The ease with which this White House lies - almost on a daily basis - is simply unlike anything that we have ever experienced before. Given such a plethora of consitent lies, how are we supposed to believe Trump should we ever have to deal with another national tragedy like 9/11? Why Trump prefers to be known as the "Liar-in-Chief" is beyond me, but he has certainly earned the title and almost seems to be proud of it.

Donald Trump'''s Tweets About Russia and Obama Defy the Facts | Time
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I find it hard to believe anyone would argue that Obama was tough on anyone.

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Oborosen said:
Saying that he has done virtually nothing, even though he have seen the past actions done with the Russian sanctions. Makes you no better, or actually worse then what you are claiming up the White House. Not to mention going below the bar and just declaring his supporters as "less educated". Shows that I shouldn't expect more then just derision and personal attacks from the likes of you.

Though, when you are citing TIME magazine. A publication that has done the exact same as many of the other media outlets this year. So far so that it has nearly copy/pasted articles from other sources and all who rely on same shaky evidence, or lack thereof.

I can pretty much see why you would have to resort to such low grade tactics.

Have a nice day.
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I have listened to many Trump supporters being interviewed. It is rather obvious that most are not educated beyond high school. That said, please feel free to present a list of actions that Trump has taken against Russia..................:) tick tock.
 
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I find it hard to believe anyone would argue that Obama was tough on anyone.

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Some facts are often hard for some folks to comprehend. You are also invited to list the actions that Trump has taken against the Russians.
 
Vetplus40 said:
I have listened to many Trump supporters being interviewed. It is rather obvious that most are not educated beyond high school. That said, please feel free to present a list of actions that Trump has taken against Russia..................:) tick tock.
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If you want a list of actions taken against Russia, then I must suggest you reword your earlier post.

Or it will just simply appear that you are trying to twist the narrative... which you apparently are.

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Also, might I add that the only time I have seen an anti-trump activist talking to nearly any reporter, or interviewer. They spout the same single tone nonsense that the others do, or don't even know why they are out there to begin with. Most don't even know what policies that he was running with at the time and they all just tend to either come off as over privileged, children. Or they are actively being far more bigoted, racist and sexist as anyone they can point out in Trump's camp.

Given the choice, I would easily take the person with the least schooling. When its compared to a person to which critical thinking is a completely absent feature.
 
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Oborosen said:
If you want a list of actions taken against Russia, then I must suggest you reword your earlier post.

Or it will just simply appear that you are trying to twist the narrative... which you apparently are.
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I didn't ask for a list of actions against Russia. My OP simply proved that Trump is lying about his record on Russia. I also pointed out how some "blindly" support what he says without even bothering to verify the information. A point that you are proving all too well. Thanks....:)

You claim that Trump took action against Russia. I simply asked you to prove your claim. As such, it appears that it is you that is attempting to twist the narrative here not me. The article clearly states what actions Obama took. Exactly how many Russians/diplomats has Trump expelled since taking office?
 
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Vetplus40 said:
I didn't ask for a list of actions against Russia. My OP simply proved that Trump is lying about his record on Russia. I also pointed out how some "blindly" support what he says without even bothering to verify the information. A point that you are proving all too well. Thanks....:)

You claim that Trump took action against Russia. I simply asked you to prove your claim. As such, it appears that it is you that is attempting to twist the narrative here not me. The article clearly states what actions Obama took. Exactly how many Russians/diplomats has Trump expelled since taking office?
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I did not claim anything was done "against" Russia. If you want to keep promoting this fallacy, then its obvious you're not interested in intellectual conversation.
 
Vetplus40 said:
You claim that Trump took action against Russia. I simply asked you to prove your claim. As such, it appears that it is you that is attempting to twist the narrative here not me. The article clearly states what actions Obama took. Exactly how many Russians/diplomats has Trump expelled since taking office?
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He can’t prove it.

Trump is colluding with Russia now. The intelligence agencies have advised him Russians are tampering already in the lead up to the November elections, and Trump is doing nothing to stop it.
 
Vetplus40 said:
Watching Sanders reguritate the comment that Trump had been harder on Russia in his first year than Obama had been in, was simply unbelievable to say the least. I remember countless times that Trump had said that "it might have been Russia or it might have been somebody else". Hardly a definitive statement blaming Russia. I also remember Trump commenting that he believed Putin when Putin said that Russia wasn't involved (then having to "walk back" that comment after receiving criticism). In addition, I remember an interview where Trump said with certaintly that Russia didn't do it.

The above being stated, I find it almost unreal that Sanders would lie about a subject that could be - and was - so easily fact checked. The ease with which this White House lies - almost on a daily basis - is simply unlike anything that we have ever experienced before. Given such a plethora of consitent lies, how are we supposed to believe Trump should we ever have to deal with another national tragedy like 9/11? Why Trump prefers to be known as the "Liar-in-Chief" is beyond me, but he has certainly earned the title and almost seems to be proud of it.

Donald Trump'''s Tweets About Russia and Obama Defy the Facts | Time
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Dude, what is your evidence? That Trump made a few random comments? That's it?

Here are the facts:

Barack Obama sold out our Eastern European allies on missile defense. He slow-walked aid to Ukraine and did little more than shrug when Crimea was annexed.

He said “never mind” on his own “red line” in Syria and turned a blind eye to Putin’s intervention there, in large part because of his obsessions with getting the Iran deal.

The Russian meddling in our elections started on Obama’s watch — and not just our elections but those of many of our allies. When Mitt Romney famously said Russia was our No. 1 geopolitical foe, Obama mocked him for it as did countless liberal journalists who are now converts to anti-Russia hawkery.

Meanwhile, the Trump administration has made life harder for Russia diplomatically and economically thanks to revving up our oil and gas production. It hasn’t been as tough as some — including me — would like, but it’s been tougher than the Obama administration. Or at least it’s not unreasonable [to argue so].
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Trump’s right, he has been tougher on Russia than Obama was | Power Line

Got any facts to counter that? And I mean facts about what Trump did, not about some random comment you guys took and blew up all out of proportion.
 
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