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For Conservatives - what should be done about Trump?

Hawkeye10 said:
America is deeply broken, and Victim Culture is a big part of the reason, this victim culture that constantly T's off of white men.

Understand or dont understand, the truth is going to stay the same.
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"White men" = white guys like Hawkeye10 and the minority of angry white guys who think like him.

Got it.

At least now we understand the translation.

To whatever extent America is "broken" (with regard to this issue) it's due to you and your ilk.

Sorry, but there is just very little in American society MORE pathetic, and LESS deserving of empathy..........than entitled white guys who see themselves (and their entire race) as "victims" in America.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Because I think its okay to be white?
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Because you are so insecure that you feel the need to announce it to the world

I said its okay to be white not that it's best to be white so there isn't any white nationalist rhetoric.
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Of course it's white nationalist rhetoric. Why are you so afraid to own it? It's pathetic to see people like you who espouse repugnant views, but cower from the labels that apply to their views. You want to be respected, but it's just cowardly. Own your views, man! Own 'em! If you can't do that, you might want to check your 'nads to see if they've retracted, lol.


I don't need to, you didn't make your claim based on facts. I simply doubt it.
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You don't need to back up your arguments with facts? How totally "FoxNews" of you. Spoken like a real right winger, lol. I believe I noted that the ENTIRE congress (both houses, both parties) voted to impose new sanctions to punish Russia for what they did to influence our election. You said it was nothing more than a few "Facebook posts".......which was just STUPID of you. So let's not pretend that you and I are equals in this discussion. My arguments were FACTUAL..........yours were COUNTER-FACTUAL. It doesn't really matter if you understand that. Just understand that it's true.


You portend mockery is whining.

You cried first about fox news them you cried that somethings you claim to view as stupid said something you didn't agree with and then you abandoned the conversation to piss and moan about a signature.

Truth is you suffered existential angst. If you thought I was just some idiot you'd have dismissed me. But your first statement was an effort to try and de- legitimize me. Now you're acting as if I should habe just said "oh you're right maybe I should have not watched fox news." You were doing it to convince yourself.
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:roll: Some of this is just unintelligible. But I get that you think I was trying to "de- legitimize" you (lol). So let me assure you that you did that all by yourself, ok?
 
ultmd said:
Because you are so insecure that you feel the need to announce it to the world



Of course it's white nationalist rhetoric. Why are you so afraid to own it? It's pathetic to see people like you who espouse repugnant views, but cower from the labels that apply to their views. You want to be respected, but it's just cowardly. Own your views, man! Own 'em! If you can't do that, you might want to check your 'nads to see if they've retracted, lol.




You don't need to back up your arguments with facts? How totally "FoxNews" of you. Spoken like a real right winger, lol. I believe I noted that the ENTIRE congress (both houses, both parties) voted to impose new sanctions to punish Russia for what they did to influence our election. You said it was nothing more than a few "Facebook posts".......which was just STUPID of you. So let's not pretend that you and I are equals in this discussion. My arguments were FACTUAL..........yours were COUNTER-FACTUAL. It doesn't really matter if you understand that. Just understand that it's true.




:roll: Some of this is just unintelligible. But I get that you think I was trying to "de- legitimize" you (lol). So let me assure you that you did that all by yourself, ok?
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Well personally I'm pretty secure in myself and in my manhood but if you got to tell me I don't have nads and that I'm insecure that helps you get through your day be my guest.

As far as my signature it doesn't say that white people are superior or white people are ethnically pure it says that it's okay to be what you are so it's not white nationalism. Again if you want to insist that it is to help you sleep and get through your day then by all means do it it's okay with me.
 
ultmd said:
"White men" = white guys like Hawkeye10 and the minority of angry white guys who think like him.

Got it.

At least now we understand the translation.

To whatever extent America is "broken" (with regard to this issue) it's due to you and your ilk.

Sorry, but there is just very little in American society MORE pathetic, and LESS deserving of empathy..........than entitled white guys who see themselves (and their entire race) as "victims" in America.
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"I am not going to listen to you, I dont care about you, YOU SUCK!"




WE USED TO BE BETTER
 
apdst said:
President Trump smoked a hundred Russians last week.
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They were mercenaries...and if you'll recall, Russian governments (whether today or in the days of the USSR) don't place a high premium on human life. If you think that an ex-KGB colonel (with a demonstrated tendency to have his enemies assassinated) gives a tinker's damn about those mercenaries, then you're more naive than I thought. Besides, why would he give a damn when he knows he still has a firm grip on Trump's ballsack?
 
Glen Contrarian said:
They were mercenaries...and if you'll recall, Russian governments (whether today or in the days of the USSR) don't place a high premium on human life. If you think that an ex-KGB colonel (with a demonstrated tendency to have his enemies assassinated) gives a tinker's damn about those mercenaries, then you're more naive than I thought. Besides, why would he give a damn when he knows he still has a firm grip on Trump's ballsack?
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How many Russians did Obama kill?
 
apdst said:
How many Russians did Obama kill?
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Last I recall, Obama imposed sanctions that were going to hurt Russia's economy and hurt the Russian government's (and Putin's) sources of income. By doing so, Obama was making the Russian oligarchs and the Russian government and Putin feel a little bit of the pain.

But then Trump decided that sanctions were a bad idea and refused to implement them...even when the Republican-led Congress voted almost unanimously to impose those sanctions. So much for the rule of law, I guess.

But you still don't get the point - Putin didn't give a damn about the mercenaries - no ex-KGB colonel would. Why do you think the Russians were so doggone happy when Trump was elected? If Trump were the tough guy and Obama/Hillary the wusses, then the Russians would have much preferred Hillary to win...but instead they strongly admit they wanted Trump to win...because they know they can control him. And who gives a damn if a hundred mercs die in Syria? Putin sure doesn't.

It's like you somehow think that Russia isn't fighting for their own best interests. Trump was the one they wanted - and said so, and celebrated when Trump won. When your greatest enemy celebrates something your nation does, common sense SHOULD tell you that maybe what your nation did was a very bad idea indeed.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Really? So if a nation attacks the very thing that preserves our democracy - our democratic process itself - we're not supposed to retaliate at all? The Republican-controlled Congress almost unanimously passed sanctions against Russia, and it's Trump who is refusing to implement those sanctions. They attacked the very foundation of our democracy, and Trump - our freaking commander in chief - is refusing to follow the will of the people (again, the vote was almost unanimous in Congress). That conduct by our commander in chief is simply indefensible. Can you imagine what your side would have done if a Republican-controlled Congress had almost unanimously passed sanctions against Russia and Obama had refused to implement them? They would have impeached Obama within days...and rightly so!

What's more, the Trump administration has taken precisely zero steps to harden our election system against proven foreign interference, but is balls-to-the-wall against unproven voter fraud!

How can you defend him for refusing to defend our nation against attacks on our democratic process? Oh, wait - let me guess - since the attacks on our democratic process are largely targeted against the Democratic party and are largely in support of the GOP, there's no real need to do anything about it, huh?
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It seems to me the republicans have been fighting for years for voter ID to protect the election process. That should be done on a state level. However I am also in favor of a national ID card that is good in every state and territory. I am all for everyone being required to prove who they are before voting. I am all for security. We can start with our borders and then clean house.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
It seems to me the republicans have been fighting for years for voter ID to protect the election process. That should be done on a state level. However I am also in favor of a national ID card that is good in every state and territory. I am all for everyone being required to prove who they are before voting. I am all for security. We can start with our borders and then clean house.
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But in the meantime, ignore the fact that the Russians did deliberately make a comprehensive effort to influence our democratic process and alter our election...and that (according to Trump's own nominees) they are already trying to do so for the midterm elections?

But I get it - why would y'all want to do anything about Russia's documented and wide-ranging interference in our elections since they're helping YOUR side?
 
Glen Contrarian said:
But in the meantime, ignore the fact that the Russians did deliberately make a comprehensive effort to influence our democratic process and alter our election...and that (according to Trump's own nominees) they are already trying to do so for the midterm elections?

But I get it - why would y'all want to do anything about Russia's documented and wide-ranging interference in our elections since they're helping YOUR side?
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But it is OK when Hillary gets the questions to the debate and her opponent doesn't. I say clean our house first then police the world.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
But it is OK when Hillary gets the questions to the debate and her opponent doesn't. I say clean our house first then police the world.
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Whataboutism much? Hillary's not the one in the White House. Whatever Hillary did or did not do does NOT detract one whit from the necessity of holding the commander-in-chief accountable to the rule of law...especially when it seems that particular commander-in-chief simply refuses to hold Russia accountable for interfering in our elections.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Whataboutism much? Hillary's not the one in the White House. Whatever Hillary did or did not do does NOT detract one whit from the necessity of holding the commander-in-chief accountable to the rule of law...especially when it seems that particular commander-in-chief simply refuses to hold Russia accountable for interfering in our elections.
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The only real evidence of rigging the election so far is the DNC and Hillary. If what they did is OK then it is clearly OK to rig our elections. Why even have an investigation?
 
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