Mental health focus after school shootings blasted by experts

Gaugingcatenate said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daminozide


https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2007/05/rachel_carson_and_the_deaths_o.html

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I looked through your links. Not impressed. For example, on the global cooling thing, from the link you provided:

Global cooling was a conjecture during the 1970s of imminent cooling of the Earth's surface and atmosphere culminating in a period of extensive glaciation. This hypothesis had some support in the scientific community, and gained temporary popular attention due to a combination of a slight downward trend of temperatures from the 1940s to the early 1970s and press reports that did not accurately reflect the full scope of the scientific climate literature, which showed a larger and faster-growing body of literature projecting future warming due to greenhouse gas emissions.[1]

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"Conjecture", "Hypothesis", "Temporary popular attention", "press reports that did not accurately reflect the full scope of the scientific climate literature",...

You do realize that's different than every single scientific organization on the planet screaming that this is real now, don't you?

If several doctors are telling you you may have cancer and you need to do something soon, do you blow their expertise off too?

Mason66 said:

That is what I said and you know it.

I was answering your stupid comment that if you don't have a license, you can't drive a car.

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But that's not what I was saying. I was saying that licensing makes the roads safer.

ataraxia said:

But that's not what I was saying. I was saying that licensing makes the roads safer.

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That is what you said. That was clearly what you said.

You think a law will stop somebody from doing something.

It does not.

ataraxia said:

I looked through your links. Not impressed. For example, on the global cooling thing, from the link you provided:



"Conjecture", "Hypothesis", "Temporary popular attention", "press reports that did not accurately reflect the full scope of the scientific climate literature",...

You do realize that's different than every single scientific organization on the planet screaming that this is real, don't you?

If several doctors are telling you you may have cancer and you need to do something soon, do you blow their expertise off too?

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No, but you are welcome to name every single one and it would be greatly appreciated, a real gift bestowed so generously to personkind, ha ha ha. You know someone is stretching the truth when they use hyperventalating verbiage like the hyperbole , " every single scientific organization on the planet screaming that this is real". Absolutes, especially absolutes on steroids, are rarely proven true.

Yeah, I've got enough experience with lousy doctors and misdiagnosis, so yeah, I would look for something else very probably. Knock on wood.

Mason66 said:

That is what you said. That was clearly what you said.

You think a law will stop somebody from doing something.

It does not.

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So, what, legalize murder? Making murder illegal doesn't stop 100% of murders, so it's useless.

Deuce said:

So, what, legalize murder? Making murder illegal doesn't stop 100% of murders, so it's useless.

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At least laws against murder try to affect behavior. Laws against guns affect items. You can change behavior, you cannot get rid of an item.

Mason66 said:

That is what you said. That was clearly what you said.

You think a law will stop somebody from doing something.

It does not.

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you are half right

laws limit the actions of law abiding people

passing laws don't limit the actions of criminals

only enforcement does.

Deuce said:

So, what, legalize murder? Making murder illegal doesn't stop 100% of murders, so it's useless.

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you are confused. murder is malum per se. There is public utility in making murder illegal and punishing those who do it-one of those values is to lessen the desires for vigilante justice

most gun control laws only impact lawful behavior that does not harm anyone.

ataraxia said:

One of the GOP strategies to take the heat off the NRA after each massacre here in the US has been to shift the focus to mental health issues. Of course, in practice, they have been slashing funding to that as well, but that is a separate issue. It has just proven to be a good distraction until people get over it- which usually happens in a week or two anyway because most people only have the memory of a distracted goldfish.

Mental health experts, while appreciating this rhetorical support, even if it has not translated into any real support and only further slashing of their funding, have roundly rejected this mental health focus as the cause of these massacres.

It’s the guns.

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The NRA isn't under any heat. Just people that never liked them in the first place are talking about how much they still don't like them.

If heat should have been placed on them it should have been because one they offered opinions about law enforcement. When asked what should we do about mass shootings there aren't in the business of preventing mass shootings so you need to talk to the people who are that's law enforcement. That was a f****** but you don't want to recognize that one.

Also they should be under heat for attempting to suggest that mental illness plays a role in this. They aren't a Psychological Association either.

The problem is not guns. There are hundreds of millions of guns but not even 20000 murders in a year. In fact the more guns we own the more the number of homicides by gun drops even as the population increases.

Sorry I'm sorry blaming the guns does not hold water that is political propaganda.

TurtleDude said:

you are half right

laws limit the actions of law abiding people

passing laws don't limit the actions of criminals

only enforcement does.

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That was the point I was eventually going to get to.

When laws are talked about, the angle of the law breaker is always left out.