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Trump In Last Place for Best Presidents

JackA said:
No surprise here. In the race for best president, Trump after one year in office has nowhere lower to go. Besting, as in worsting, the president who sat on his hands while conditions for the Civil War heated up, is no mean achievement.


https://sps.boisestate.edu/politicalscience/files/2018/02/Greatness.pdf
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I disagree with many of those rankings. Obama isn't better than Reagan. Truman wasn't great at all.

But as far as Trump? Yes, he is the worst. Worst of my lifetime. Reprehensible person in every possibly way.
 
tres borrachos said:
I disagree with many of those rankings. Obama isn't better than Reagan. Truman wasn't great at all.

But as far as Trump? Yes, he is the worst. Worst of my lifetime. Reprehensible person in every possibly way.
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I loved Ronnie a LOT more than I did Obama (putting it lightly.)

But, the nuts and bolts of it, hind site being 20/20, at the end of the day, I got to give it to Obama over Reagan as far as better president's go. Pains me to say that though.
 
Captain America said:
I loved Ronnie a LOT more than I did Obama (putting it lightly.)

But, the nuts and bolts of it, hind site being 20/20, at the end of the day, I got to give it to Obama over Reagan as far as better president's go. Pains me to say that though.
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I respect your opinion. I completely disagree. But I don't want to hijack this thread over an Obama versus Reagan discussion.

Back to Trump. He's bad. Awful.
 
It is WAY too soon to have Trump anywhere on that list. As much as I despise Trump, he hasn’t gotten us into any new wars. I still firmly believe that GWB has done more damage to our country and way of life than any president in my life time. Not that Obama or Trump have done much to fix the damage, but W did the damage in the first place.
 
JackA said:
No surprise here. In the race for best president, Trump after one year in office has nowhere lower to go. Besting, as in worsting, the president who sat on his hands while conditions for the Civil War heated up, is no mean achievement.


https://sps.boisestate.edu/politicalscience/files/2018/02/Greatness.pdf
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These polls dont mean much as they poll stupid people

Funny how Jackson took a major nose dive after a big campaign about taking him off the $20 or Clinton has taken a dive in the ranking after 3 years of onslaught from Trump.

This poll only tells the media situation of the presidents it doesnt actually rank how good or bad they were.
 
lol

57% democrats

12% republicans

in the poll...no bias whatsoever....
 
tres borrachos said:
I disagree with many of those rankings. Obama isn't better than Reagan. Truman wasn't great at all.

But as far as Trump? Yes, he is the worst. Worst of my lifetime. Reprehensible person in every possibly way.
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The reaction to Obama will change in time and rapidly. These surveys area always skewed against the last incumbent as much of the propaganda of the time is still attached. In time new propaganda forms, new favorites chosen. Never understood any of it really, George Washington is always top of the list but, really, what did he have to face?

I like to take a look at Teddy, former prosecutor breaking up the cartels, Secretary of the Navy, Governor of New York, inherited the office, was shot in the chest but completed the speech, served that term and one more, put America on the map through "gunboat diplomacy" accomplished what he set out to do and then went on Safari.
 
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Crovax said:
These polls dont mean much as they poll stupid people



This poll only tells the media situation of the presidents it doesnt actually rank how good or bad they were.
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The poll didn't query "stupid people" or the media. According to the report, "Respondents were current and recent members of the Presidents & Executive Politics Section of the American Political Science Association, which is the foremost organization of social science experts in presidential politics."

It might comfort you to know that respondents who identified themselves as Republicans or conservatives did not agree with the final last place rating of 44. They bumped Trump up four whole places to 40th on the list, making him only the fourth worst.
 
JackA said:
The poll didn't query "stupid people" or the media. According to the report, "Respondents were current and recent members of the Presidents & Executive Politics Section of the American Political Science Association, which is the foremost organization of social science experts in presidential politics."

It might comfort you to know that respondents who identified themselves as Republicans or conservatives did not agree with the final last place rating of 44. They bumped Trump up four whole places to 40th on the list, making him only the fourth worst.
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I give zero ****s about Trump and where he is ranked. I already pointed out the obvious problems with the poll. Everyone has always known what Jackson did to the Indians but the fact the he only dropped after a huge campaign to take him off the $20 bill which highlighted that history shows just how ignorant the supposed respondents are.
 
JackA said:
The poll didn't query "stupid people" or the media. According to the report, "Respondents were current and recent members of the Presidents & Executive Politics Section of the American Political Science Association, which is the foremost organization of social science experts in presidential politics."

It might comfort you to know that respondents who identified themselves as Republicans or conservatives did not agree with the final last place rating of 44. They bumped Trump up four whole places to 40th on the list, making him only the fourth worst.
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I mainly take issue with who they rated elsewhere. If we are going to pretend this is an objective piece...we need a metric.
 
Crovax said:
These polls dont mean much as they poll stupid people

Funny how Jackson took a major nose dive after a big campaign about taking him off the $20 or Clinton has taken a dive in the ranking after 3 years of onslaught from Trump.

This poll only tells the media situation of the presidents it doesnt actually rank how good or bad they were.
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This response seems more reflective of your biases than those of the respondents (i.e. the American Political Science Association).

The APSA is an academic society for professional political scientists.

There are certainly a lot of "stupid people" speaking up and out these days, but the APSA would not be among them.
 
ultmd said:
This response seems more reflective of your biases than those of the respondents (i.e. the American Political Science Association).

The APSA is an academic society for professional political scientists.

There are certainly a lot of "stupid people" speaking up and out these days, but the APSA would not be among them.
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I had a professor in college that had a doctorate in political science. She claimed the 2nd amendment did not give people the right to bear arms (technically correct legally speaking at the time) and I argued about incorporation and that the SCOTUS just hadnt had a case yet. A few years later after Heller I asked her about it and her claim is that the SCOTUS got it wrong.

Political "scientists" are morons by trade, a poly sci degree is about as valuable as an art history degree.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
That's not the only metric or criteria.
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That's one view...on the other he's divided the nation like no other time in history, alienated America's allies, including Canada who has stood shoulder with the US in all but Vietnam and Iraq. An aide told me some time ago "the optics of agreeing with or supporting anything Trump is dangerously close to the political wilderness." In my near 70 years I have never seen so much Anti-American attitude. Nor can I recall a president who attacked Canada with lies and claimed "they are cheating, robbing us (with NAFTA)

He may have said that "America First" doesn't mean "America alone" but like everything else that is Trump, it's empty. The US is alone like never before
 
JackA said:
No surprise here. In the race for best president, Trump after one year in office has nowhere lower to go. Besting, as in worsting, the president who sat on his hands while conditions for the Civil War heated up, is no mean achievement.


https://sps.boisestate.edu/politicalscience/files/2018/02/Greatness.pdf
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Based on the Netflix documentary he is also among the worst business person (portfolio showing he is very bad at business decision and bankrupted several times). His only success besides becoming a president is on promoting his name as a big brand which he licence to other business to use it. But even the promotion of his brand is based on lies (wealth that he doesn't have and business that is not his).
 
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C R O I X said:
Based on the Netflix documentary he is also among the worst business person (portfolio showing he is very bad at business decision and bankrupted several times). His only success after win the election is on promoting his name as a big brand which he licence to other business to use it. But even the promotion of his brand is based on lies (wealth that he doesn't have and business that is not his).
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so, basically what you are saying concerning Trump is what I have been saying about Trump for the past four decades, that being that Trump is a con artist
 
I think incredibly low of Trump and recognize he is the single most unqualified President we've ever had, but there were a string of Presidents from the 1830s to the 1850s who typically deserve that treatment more than the current President (Buchanan, most of all).

Trump is a little over a year into his first term. So neither is this a good judgment in terms of contemporary analysis, nor is it good for historical thought (typically a generation removed, 20 years for a swath of documents to release).

Hold your horses, folks.



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Fearandloathing said:
That's one view...on the other he's divided the nation like no other time in history, alienated America's allies, including Canada who has stood shoulder with the US in all but Vietnam and Iraq. An aide told me some time ago "the optics of agreeing with or supporting anything Trump is dangerously close to the political wilderness." In my near 70 years I have never seen so much Anti-American attitude. Nor can I recall a president who attacked Canada with lies and claimed "they are cheating, robbing us (with NAFTA)

He may have said that "America First" doesn't mean "America alone" but like everything else that is Trump, it's empty. The US is alone like never before
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that is how Trump goes about the idea of 'Make America Great Again' ........... you get all the other nations to hate you & that makes you a great nation. :shock: :doh: :lamo:
 
Crovax said:
Political "scientists" are morons by trade, a poly sci degree is about as valuable as an art history degree.
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*scratches head at this remark, given the number of staffers in government with this background, alone.*

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Crovax said:
These polls dont mean much as they poll stupid people

Funny how Jackson took a major nose dive after a big campaign about taking him off the $20 or Clinton has taken a dive in the ranking after 3 years of onslaught from Trump.

This poll only tells the media situation of the presidents it doesnt actually rank how good or bad they were.
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Jackson took a nose dive over the course of the last 40-50 years of social changes and scholarship in part reflecting those changes. It didnt happen overnight. No, the currency episode was an example rather than the cause of the sea change with Jackson.

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