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Byron York: Comey told Congress FBI agents didn't think Michael Flynn lied

j-mac said:
While all 'anti Trumpers' are hoping beyond hope that Flynn is in some kind of daily brief with Muller's team and compiling some kind of iron clad case against him, it appears that even those with agenda's within the Muller team didn't think that Flynn lied.

So the question, why'd he take the plea?

Many said at the time that it was Weisman [sic], and this has his brand of fingerprint all over it...That this man threatened to go after Flynn's son, and with Flynn going broke over legal fees at a breakneck pace, he took one plea. The article from York goes on:

"To some Republicans, it appears the Justice Department used a never-enforced law and a convoluted theory as a pretext to question Flynn — and then, when FBI questioners came away believing Flynn had not lied to them, forged ahead with a false-statements prosecution anyway. "

This is unbelievable.

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I assume he took the plea because he has been financial ruined and ****ed with psychologically to the point he will say what ever they tell him to say. He has been certainly made aware through his attorney that the FBI did not believe he lied and one AG or the other ordered that opinion ignored.

Now there is a new judge involved and may order his plea to be rejected. Then the investigator who said he didn’t lie will be his first witness if it goes to trial.

Either way, federal charges are always a war of attrition and when you are broke you do what they want regardless of whether it is true or not because they will never run out of money.
 
j-mac said:
While all 'anti Trumpers' are hoping beyond hope that Flynn is in some kind of daily brief with Muller's team and compiling some kind of iron clad case against him, it appears that even those with agenda's within the Muller team didn't think that Flynn lied.

So the question, why'd he take the plea?

Many said at the time that it was Weisman [sic], and this has his brand of fingerprint all over it...That this man threatened to go after Flynn's son, and with Flynn going broke over legal fees at a breakneck pace, he took one plea. The article from York goes on:

"To some Republicans, it appears the Justice Department used a never-enforced law and a convoluted theory as a pretext to question Flynn — and then, when FBI questioners came away believing Flynn had not lied to them, forged ahead with a false-statements prosecution anyway. "

This is unbelievable.

Thoughts?
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I wonder sometimes whether Americans should be made to pass a course in determining the difference in an entire "spec piece" and actual hard news.

Count the "ifs" in the first lead paragraphs. As an editor any more than one and it was spiked.
 
Cardinal said:
First the bullying, then the ad homs, now the "No puppet!, no puppet, you're the puppet!" routine. This is certainly a familiar pattern.

So again, is lying to the SRV a crime?
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So you don't have actual points to make, and are desperately trying to cover that up. Gotcha. Continue with your no-content contributions, I've already pegged you as a coward.
 
Fearandloathing said:
I wonder sometimes whether Americans should be made to pass a course in determining the difference in an entire "spec piece" and actual hard news.

Count the "ifs" in the first lead paragraphs. As an editor any more than one and it was spiked.
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Byron York is a glumpy spittlecake of a partisan hack.

He always floated close to the edge, but these last few years he has descended to the lower pits of just another swampfever Trump cultist.
 
Paperview said:
Byron York is a glumpy spittlecake of a partisan hack.

He always floated close to the edge, but these last few years he has descended to the lower pits of just another swampfever Trump cultist.
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It's not the message at fault, it's the audience.

If Hitler had been ignored...?
 
Cardinal said:
Neither the Washington Times nor the Washington Examiner is MSM.
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Sorry but regardless of what you or I think of The Washington Times, it's a major newspaper.
It serves some 60,000 local customers daily.
That might be a fraction of the Post's 450,000 daily readers but it's not a minor blip, plus The Times also has a weekly broadsheet with 10 million readers monthly online and in print. And, as of October 2015, it is now turning a profit.

I'm sure you're aware that newspapers altogether are an endangered species.
The LA Times just underwent the third ownership shakeup in as little as six years.

The Times is a partisan rag owned by what's left of The Unification Church, but it's still a thorn in the side of the mainstream media and will likely continue as such.
 
Fishking said:
The FBI gets people with this bull**** "crime" all the time. Misremember a date? That's lying to the FBI and a felony. How should that even be a felony in the first place? It's ridiculous.
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This is why nobody should ever talk to the fbi about anything. They abuse their power and face no accountability when they are caught.

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Oh, good grief I'm tired of all of this trash.
 
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Cardinal said:
Flynn is reversing himself? Do you have a link from a legitimate source for this? I googled "Flynn" and "reversal" and all I got was hits for right wing rags.
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My understanding is that he can't just reverse his plea. He needs a judge to approve it and that requires him showing cause to the judge. This is something judges rarely allow. I don't have any links to back it up but is something I remember being discussed about what would happen IF he requested a plea change. I never heard that he did make that request but he may have since I heard all that. It's been a couple weeks.

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Acadia said:
I've thought Flynn wanted to protect his idiot son.
We'll see if this gains traction. The Left will lose their minds if charges are dropped.
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I think that horse left the barn the day Trump won the election. It's been nonstop insanity ever since.

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Cardinal said:
That's what I found too, and it's highly presumptuous, let alone speculative. The author made a rather extraordinary leap from "ordered to turn over discoverable evidence" to "plea reversal may be in the works."

Anyway, if this proves more than speculation then it'll show up in a legitimate news source in due time.

For all that Trump supporters have dumped on the fake media and anonymous sources, it is more than a little funny to see them eating up blatant speculation like this.

Edit: Oh, and Washington Examiner isn't MSM.
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Neither is the NYT, or WaPo. Good luck trying to find any organazation that does not inject their editorial bias into their articles.

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Checkerboard Strangler said:
Well to be brutally honest The Washington Times IS mainstream media, and the Examiner pretty much echoes the same boilerplate.
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If we are defining mainstream by viewership I would agree the times is, not sure what the circulation is for the examiner. In either case main stream is not the same as being credible and/or legitimate.

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trouble13 said:
Neither is the NYT, or WaPo. Good luck trying to find any organazation that does not inject their editorial bias into their articles.

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The WaPo doesn't even try to pretend that they don't hate Trump's guts.
The media is playing the short game here and their reputations will be ruined long, long after Trump leaves office.
They are nothing more than liberal hacks and shills, now and forever.
 
radioman said:
Aren't GOPers always prattling on about how important the "rule of law" is?
An allegedly "never-enforced law" is still a law, right?
I would think the Repubs would want all laws on the books to be enforced.



No, not really.......hypocrisy in politics is all too common.
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Oh, ok...Then I am sure you will support me in calling for the enforcement of charging Jon Kerry with violations of the Logan act then right?

Kerry to Abbas confidante: 'Stay strong and do not give in to Trump' - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post
 
trouble13 said:
Neither is the NYT, or WaPo. Good luck trying to find any organazation that does not inject their editorial bias into their articles.

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*fart*
 
Fearandloathing said:
You've answered your own question.

When I see phrases like "some republicans think..." I tune out"
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Why? Not interested in anything but yelling at each other? Or is it that you believe that we are all of one mind on everything?
 
Acadia said:
The WaPo doesn't even try to pretend that they don't hate Trump's guts.
The media is playing the short game here and their reputations will be ruined long, long after Trump leaves office.
They are nothing more than liberal hacks and shills, now and forever.
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Mark my words, the next time the dems have leadership back, the media will come down with selective amnesia when it comes to this brazenly partisan temper tantrum they are putting on display. The question is if people will be gullible enough to believe they have changed and are not the same monsters they are behaving like today. Their behavior under Trump is exaggerated but it's not new. This was going on but more subtlety for at least 50yrs now and I suspect longer.

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j-mac said:
Oh, ok...Then I am sure you will support me in calling for the enforcement of charging Jon Kerry with violations of the Logan act then right?

Kerry to Abbas confidante: 'Stay strong and do not give in to Trump' - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post
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I don't know what one has to do with the other. You seem to have gone way out in left field here.

But if Kerry did do this it is treason. Nixon scuttled the Vietnam peace talks in 1988 for political gain against Hubert Humphrey. It is the very same sort of thing.
 
Cardinal said:
That's what I found too, and it's highly presumptuous, let alone speculative. The author made a rather extraordinary leap from "ordered to turn over discoverable evidence" to "plea reversal may be in the works."

Anyway, if this proves more than speculation then it'll show up in a legitimate news source in due time.

For all that Trump supporters have dumped on the fake media and anonymous sources, it is more than a little funny to see them eating up blatant speculation like this.

Edit: Oh, and Washington Examiner isn't MSM.
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It's every bit as MSM as some of the BS you people post in here....You don't like the source, too bad. Report it....But I'll be on the look out for the blather from left wing tripe you post as threads....How's that?
 
trouble13 said:
Mark my words, the next time the dems have leadership back, the media will come down with selective amnesia when it comes to this brazenly partisan temper tantrum they are putting on display. The question is if people will be gullible enough to believe they have changed and are not the same monsters they are behaving like today. Their behavior under Trump is exaggerated but it's not new. This was going on but more subtlety for at least 50yrs now and I suspect longer.

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Oh yes, when Dems are back in power, it'll be all rainbows and unicorns and all will be right with the world.
It's hard having to live with temperamental, mercurial brats who piss and moan like babies when they don't get their way.
 
j-mac said:
Why? Not interested in anything but yelling at each other? Or is it that you believe that we are all of one mind on everything?
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"To some Republicans, it appears the Justice Department used a never-enforced law and a convoluted theory as a pretext to question Flynn — and then, when FBI questioners came away believing Flynn had not lied to them, forged ahead with a false-statements prosecution anyway."

That is not a valid basis for considering anything. Everything presented as a factual statement is actually couched in that opening phrase: to some republicans it appears.





I have a question: why is it that as post #2 proves, you previously attacked people for using "anonymous sources", but your OP relies on how things "appear" to "some republicans", and on "sources familiar with" such-and-such?
 
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