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Faith Is No Longer a Virtue in America

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Last week Joy Behar, co-host of the ABC show “The View,” did something that has become an escalating trend in our popular culture over the past 10 years — she mocked religiosity.

In a segment about Vice President Mike Pence and his belief that he hears the voice of God, Behar quipped: “It’s one thing to talk to Jesus. It’s another thing when Jesus talks to you. That’s called mental illness, if I’m not correct . . . hearing voices.”

The audience of “The View” clapped and laughed along with her.

But outside the entertainment bubble, in places like Cumberland, people were horrified.

Behar’s sneer and the applause it received from the studio audience is a nice in-kind contribution to the Trump 2020 campaign.

For bonus points, who said this?

The pundits, the pundits like to slice and dice our country into red states and blue States: red states for Republicans, blue States for Democrats. But I’ve got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the blue states, and we don’t like federal agents poking around our libraries in the red states. We coach little league in the blue states and, yes, we’ve got some gay friends in the red states.

Anyone remember? Usual suspects maybe?

https://nypost.com/2018/02/17/faith-is-no-longer-a-virtue-in-america/
 
Why should religious faith be a virtue anyway? A choice to believe or disbelief in a deity is almost entirely irrelevant to someone's moral character.
 
Behar’s sneer and the applause it received from the studio audience is a nice in-kind contribution to the Trump 2020 campaign.

For bonus points, who said this?



Anyone remember? Usual suspects maybe?

https://nypost.com/2018/02/17/faith-is-no-longer-a-virtue-in-america/

Its the in thing to do for them, because Christianity is an easy target at the current time.

Good luck if you are waiting for them to stick it to any other religion however, or for them to say the same thing about Oprah and how she is waiting for god to give her the go ahead to run.
 
It’s worth noting that her comment was in reference to a similar one from a self-professed Christian; ?The View? star Joy Behar mocks Mike Pence?s Christian faith: ?That?s called mental illness? | Fox News
It all started when they played a clip from “Celebrity Big Brother,” in which former White House staffer Omarosa Manigault Newman discussed the vice president.

“As bad as you think Trump is, you would be worried about Pence… everyone that is wishing for impeachment might want to reconsider their life,” she said in the clip. “I am Christian, I love Jesus, but he thinks Jesus tells him to say things.”
That suggests to me that this is less about outsiders attacking faith or Christianity and more about arguments between different believers over the correct way to believe (which is far from a new thing).
 
Uh oh, someone has an opinion! America is falling apart, Joy Behar has an opinion that is not sanctioned by Trump!
 
Religion is an idea like any other, it's not sacred, nor should it be protected from criticism or mockery.
 
Well, she may have a point here.

Unless he means metaphorically, if he think God speaks to him, he is freakin' nuts. Or he's trying to con someone.
 
Why should religious faith be a virtue anyway? A choice to believe or disbelief in a deity is almost entirely irrelevant to someone's moral character.

It shouldn't be considered a virtue, but why is it that the Hollyweirdo types feel the necessity to belittle Christian ideas while bolstering those of Muslim believers?

As an atheist, I don't buy into any belief system, but if I observe the world around me honestly, I have to admit that today's Christians (in general) are much less patriarchal and violent than today's Muslims (in general).

I wonder if Behar will expand on her sentiments by including those who believe Allah talks to them as also living on the crazy farm. How much do you want to bet that she doesn't?
 
Behar’s sneer and the applause it received from the studio audience is a nice in-kind contribution to the Trump 2020 campaign.

For bonus points, who said this?



Anyone remember? Usual suspects maybe?

https://nypost.com/2018/02/17/faith-is-no-longer-a-virtue-in-america/

If you hold a faith, you don't care what others think of it. Christians used to be lion food. I think we can manage this. As long as we are not prevented from living our faith and practicing our religion in our own spaces without interference, I don't think our faith should be at risk to some snide comments and a bad rep.

That said, I do tend to agree with you for once, it seems that hating on Christianity has become one of the last acceptable bigotries for the Left. But if we're honest, and give it a bit of thought, it's quite easy to see that a good chunk of that is our own fault. Sad thing is that if we had actually done what the Bible said, we wouldn't have pissed off anyone. Ah well, it never said we'd be able to be perfect...despite what some Christians would have folks believe.
 
If you hold a faith, you don't care what others think of it. Christians used to be lion food. I think we can manage this. As long as we are not prevented from living our faith and practicing our religion in our own spaces without interference, I don't think our faith should be at risk to some snide comments and a bad rep.

That said, I do tend to agree with you for once, it seems that hating on Christianity has become one of the last acceptable bigotries for the Left. But if we're honest, and give it a bit of thought, it's quite easy to see that a good chunk of that is our own fault. Sad thing is that if we had actually done what the Bible said, we wouldn't have pissed off anyone. Ah well, it never said we'd be able to be perfect...despite what some Christians would have folks believe.

True Nate...if Christians cared what others thought about them, they would have ceased to exist a long time ago...Jesus said we would be hated because of him...that has not changed nor will it...
 
A liberal moron insults beliefs that she don't share.

Stop the presses! This is Earth shattering! :roll:

The fact of the matter is that liberals insult and denigrate anyone and everyone that doesn't hold the same belief's, positions or opinions than they, and even insult other parts of the country where their belief's, positions or opinions are preeminent. (Ever hear of 'fly over country' ?)

It's little more than typical liberal behavior, what everyone who's paying attention have come to expect from liberals.
And yet, the liberals can't fathom why they receive no respect? :lamo
How stupid and insular they.
 
Uh oh, someone has an opinion! America is falling apart, Joy Behar has an opinion that is not sanctioned by Trump!

And if she had made fun of Islam and Muslims, you'd be calling for her to be kicked off the show.
 
And if she had made fun of Islam and Muslims, you'd be calling for her to be kicked off the show.

I hope we never have a Muslim president or vice president but, if we do, I have no doubt they will not be treated differently if they claim that Allah speaks to them.

Don't forget that both the christian and muslim establishments are controlled by crazy conservatives. A magical world view is not at all threatened by authoritarian politics, like conservatives espouse. It's part and parcel of the same fear based thinking.
 
It shouldn't be considered a virtue, but why is it that the Hollyweirdo types feel the necessity to belittle Christian ideas while bolstering those of Muslim believers?

As an atheist, I don't buy into any belief system, but if I observe the world around me honestly, I have to admit that today's Christians (in general) are much less patriarchal and violent than today's Muslims (in general).

I wonder if Behar will expand on her sentiments by including those who believe Allah talks to them as also living on the crazy farm. How much do you want to bet that she doesn't?

Well if she did, she would be correct.
 
A liberal moron insults beliefs that she don't share.

Stop the presses! This is Earth shattering! :roll:

The fact of the matter is that liberals insult and denigrate anyone and everyone that doesn't hold the same belief's, positions or opinions than they, and even insult other parts of the country where their belief's, positions or opinions are preeminent. (Ever hear of 'fly over country' ?)

It's little more than typical liberal behavior, what everyone who's paying attention have come to expect from liberals.
And yet, the liberals can't fathom why they receive no respect? :lamo
How stupid and insular they.

LOL I bet you can't even see the hypocrisy of your diatribe insulting and belittling liberals .....because they don't "hold the same belief's, positions or opinions".
 
Faith is a virtue if you actually practice what you preach.

I don't see Pence doing that unless it's convenient and earns him political points.
 
It’s worth noting that her comment was in reference to a similar one from a self-professed Christian; ?The View? star Joy Behar mocks Mike Pence?s Christian faith: ?That?s called mental illness? | Fox News That suggests to me that this is less about outsiders attacking faith or Christianity and more about arguments between different believers over the correct way to believe (which is far from a new thing).

I mean if Pence honestly believes that he hears invisible people then that's pretty ****in' crazy.
 
True Nate...if Christians cared what others thought about them, they would have ceased to exist a long time ago...Jesus said we would be hated because of him...that has not changed nor will it...

So when you interact bluntly with people and they are offended you think its Jesus offending them?
 
So when you interact bluntly with people and they are offended you think its Jesus offending them?

I prefer bluntness to beating around the bush...Peter was a blunt kinda guy and Jesus still loved him...
 
LOL I bet you can't even see the hypocrisy of your diatribe insulting and belittling liberals .....because they don't "hold the same belief's, positions or opinions".

You know, I'm fine with other having differing opinions.

I prefer the well reasoned, fact based ones, delivered without condescension, belittlement or arrogance or personal insults. They can be very interesting in the back and forth exploring the position / opinion is a friendly way. From all experiences, there's a shortage of posts that manage to combine all those.

Seems that the left is far more challenged in putting those three things together in a single post, but there are others of the right that are also challenged in the same way.

As far as Behar is concerned, what would you call likening someone's religion to a mental illness? Friendly? Fair? Honest? Tolerant?

Frankly it's not any of these things, and it's bigoted, condescending and insulting.

Now, you can take the position that Christians deserve to be, and should be, treated condescendingly and insulted, but then, how tolerant would that be?
 
You know, I'm fine with other having differing opinions.

I prefer the well reasoned, fact based ones, delivered without condescension, belittlement or arrogance or personal insults. They can be very interesting in the back and forth exploring the position / opinion is a friendly way. From all experiences, there's a shortage of posts that manage to combine all those.

Well, there is your own bias. You are forwarding the very false notion that you can have a reasoned exchange about something a person imagines inside their head with ZERO standard of evidence. Sam Harris said it best, religion is a conversation stopper, and you can see what all of the phony, religious "scholarship" in the middle east has gotten us. Nothing but centuries of war, exploitation and bloodshed.

As far as Behar is concerned, what would you call likening someone's religion to a mental illness? Friendly? Fair? Honest? Tolerant?

Accurate? Who is tolerant of mental illness? Why should I indulge the fantasies of others just to be called "tolerant"? Are the religious tolerant of each other? No. That's a ridiculous thing to be upset about. Respect, especially intellectually, is earned.

Frankly it's not any of these things, and it's bigoted, condescending and insulting.

Wrong. It's bigoted when one faith disagrees with another simply because they are different. She wasn't offering her own fantasy as the alternative "truth", she was speaking the fact that when people hear voices, that can be a warning sign of delusion. Having no evidence of a god but plenty of evidence concerning schizophrenia, the "condescension" is warranted.

Now, you can take the position that Christians deserve to be, and should be, treated condescendingly and insulted, but then, how tolerant would that be?

Not very, but isn't liberal tolerance something that is constantly being complained about by the right? Certainly, though, you see the difference between being tolerant of innate qualities, like skin color, and being tolerant of choices, like faith. Can't you? Does that distinction need to be explained again and again before the right will admit that ideas, even religious ones, are not, and shouldn't be, protected against criticism.

There are hundreds or thousands of different faiths, sects and spiritual opinions. All that tells me is that it's a popular human activity to participate in these various exercises of self-placation. In such a variable rich environment for any person to call their opinion truth, as the Christians do, is to make truth nothing more than a whim or a political change instituted at the point of a sword or the pull of a ballot switch.

I'm not tolerant of many faiths because they aren't tolerant of the facts we live by. I say **** those martyrs who think their god is more important than my lack of one. They are proud robots not moral beings.
 
It’s one thing to talk to Jesus. It’s another thing when Jesus talks to you. That’s called mental illness, if I’m not correct . . . hearing voices.”

I guess I must be all-the-way-down-the-road wacko then, because He talks to me all day long...
Unfortunately, God help me, I don't always listen.
 
There are some people who view the belief of a god that no one can see to be similar to someone having an imaginary friend. Adults with imaginary friends are considered to be suffering from mental illness. And...it doesn't make a person right or wrong in their belief that god is imaginary no matter how offended a Christian feels about it.
 
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