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Trumps anger boils over with Russia probe

JMR said:
He says he never colluded with Russia. The fact that he has never had a clear declaration of the fact that he had nothing to do with it, might indicate that perhaps he did.
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You know, this statement seems so logically wrong, that I think I know exactly what you're saying and I agree!

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Captain Adverse said:
You and so many other's keep missing the point...which is easy to understand as the MSN keeps modifying what you are supposed to believe as their narrative changes with the evidence.

Trump's point is that HE never colluded with Russia and as he requested of Mr. Comey oh so long ago...raising the hackles of the left as obstruction...and keeps asking consistently to this day is for a clear declaration of the fact that HE had NOTHING to do with it.
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It's NOT the media that's been changing the story. It's Trump:

June 2016: “It was the D.N.C. that did the ‘hacking.’”

September 2016: “I don’t think anybody knows it was Russia that broke into the D.N.C.”

October 2016: “Maybe there is no hacking.”

December 2016: “I don’t believe they interfered. That became a laughing point, not a talking point, a laughing point.”

January 2017: “Russia, China, other countries, outside groups and people are consistently trying to break through the cyberinfrastructure of our governmental institutions.”

May: “If Russia did anything having to do with our election, I want to know about it.”

July: “Somebody did say if he did do it, you wouldn’t have found out about it.”

November 2017: “Every time he sees me, he says, ‘I didn’t do that.’”
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/us/politics/fact-check-trump-russian-meddling-election.html
 
NIMBY said:
The dismissal of Gates, and the accompanying trashing of him, has begun.
They're now saying that IT hated Gates, not the worst insult in my view.

The only felon who has not received the 'coffee boy' treatment is rogue flynn, who they are deftly afraid of.

Mr. Mueller is moving methodically, as he did in taking down teflon don gotti ...
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Good observation on Flynn.

What's "IT"?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Trump.
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Indeed, "IT" is a clown, after all.

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Chomsky said:
Good observation on Flynn.

What's "IT"?
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Well, 'T' is for trump; 'I' could be any number of dozens of 'I' words that could describe IT, such as incompetent, irresponsible, incomprehensible, incoherent; you get the idea. I find two letters, IT, to be all IT deserves ...
 
NIMBY said:
Well, 'T' is for trump; 'I' could be any number of dozens of 'I' words that could describe IT, such as incompetent, irresponsible, incomprehensible, incoherent; you get the idea. I find two letters, IT, to be all IT deserves ...
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Why not call him “Rump”?
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
It's NOT the media that's been changing the story. It's Trump:



https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/us/politics/fact-check-trump-russian-meddling-election.html
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While admiring your NYT list, I was reminded about some spectacular work that Bill Moyers did.

It's the most exhaustive compendium of Trump related Russian interactions, I've ever seen. If you're ever struggling to remember some arcane tie-in or date to reference, this is the resource. I hope you have some time on your hands, along with a fast broadband connection ...

Bill Moyers: Interactive Timeline - Everything We Know About Russia and President Trump
 
NIMBY said:
Well, 'T' is for trump; 'I' could be any number of dozens of 'I' words that could describe IT, such as incompetent, irresponsible, incomprehensible, incoherent; you get the idea. I find two letters, IT, to be all IT deserves ...
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A bit of an inside joke, but thanks for the explanation.

I was tempted to call him Donny Day Care, but just stuck with Trump.
 
Captain Adverse said:
nnocent people feel when faced with charges they are not guilty of. They want closure quickly, rather than having their names dragged through the mud.
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I'm guessing you are not aware of the Tri-state area real estate market huh? Trump dragged his own name through the mud countless times on full public display for all to see, both literally and figuratively. All of this is completely his own doing and the tip of the iceberg is just beginning to unravel. It does take years and decades to bring a con man down. Cults are hard to take down, and it's even harder to admit that you are a part of one.
 
Captain Adverse said:
You and so many other's keep missing the point...which is easy to understand as the MSN keeps modifying what you are supposed to believe as their narrative changes with the evidence.

Trump's point is that HE never colluded with Russia and as he requested of Mr. Comey oh so long ago...raising the hackles of the left as obstruction...and keeps asking consistently to this day is for a clear declaration of the fact that HE had NOTHING to do with it.
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How do you know Trump never colluded with the Tussians>
 
Jesse Booth said:
First off, that is neither a threat nor targeted at you. Second, please explain the context. What exactly was the (presumably theoretical) law in question?
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NIMBY said:
I have been targeted, threatened, stalked and cyber-hazed by the Gun-addicted Obsessive-compulsive Phanatical-extremists since I came to DP 50 days after Sandy Hook, though the parents of those 20 children who had their faces blown off have been threatened far worse by the Never Responsible Assholes.

I feel bad and guilty about staying out of the gun carnage on this bastardized gun forum, but I will no longer remain silent or be intimidated as we see an entire generation lose their innocence because they're being slaughtered by assault weapons.

Just tonight, I was quote-bombed several dozen times, as I'm viewed as very dangerous to them keeping their assault weapons as they dismiss the slaughter of your peers as 'acceptable' collateral damage to have their gun wet dream ...
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Chomsky said:
Trump has no substance, but is a reality TV star. He's all about PR. And by Russian meddling being shown to be an irrefutable fact, Trump can feel the PR tide turning against him.

He's now lost two important PR tools, that of calling the Russian meddling a "hoax", and that of calling the investigation a "witch hunt".

So, he's now down to a conventional defense: "I didn't do it"

And that's a harder more negative PR to sell, than his previously available "hoax" & "witch hunt" defenses. He's running out of defensive options.
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I think that we often misread Trumps actions as meaning more than meets the eye, when often there's actually less.

Trump is one of those pathological lairs we all know in real life that will go down with the ship, no matter how petty the lie actually is. Even when direct evidence is produced that establishes him as not being truthful, he will simply carry on with his lies. Part of that is just him not being able to be truthful, and part of it is his need to never lose face, and have to concede his opponent as being correct.

You know, I really don't think if there was collusion with Wikileaks in leaking the DNC emails that it's actually all that big of deal, or that the public really would have cared all that much. We needed to know about the DNC's dirty tricks, and while I can't stand Assange as a person, I'm glad Wikileaks did what they did. However, the opposing political campaign getting involved is an ethical matter that warrants debate among citizens. Trump doesn't want us to know the truth, so he's resorting to the go-to Nixonian list of power abuse to do it, and for that he should face consequences for abusing the public trust in high office.
 
Winston said:
Trump's anger boils over with Russia probe | TheHill

Biggest story of the week to Donald Trump isn't a national tragedy. It's still the Russia probe. WTF, is wrong with this guy? Just make sure to keep blaring out, 'NO COLLUSION' some more. If every 5 minutes isn't working, try every 5 seconds.

The boy ain't right.
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Why wouldn't he keep saying "No Collusion" when there wasn't any collusion?
 
Winston said:
Biggest story of the week to Donald Trump isn't a national tragedy. It's still the Russia probe.
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How the hell would you know what the biggest story of the week is to the President of the United States? You sit at home and look at the TV, and think you know what matters to him? Wow, you really do live in a parallel universe.

WTF, is wrong with this guy?
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Never mind him, WTF is wrong with you? When did you start believing you can read Presidents' minds? Have you told the National Enquirer about this? You could make a couple of hundred bucks.
 
Rob Larrikin said:
How the hell would you know what the biggest story of the week is to the President of the United States? You sit at home and look at the TV, and think you know what matters to him? Wow, you really do live in a parallel universe.



Never mind him, WTF is wrong with you? When did you start believing you can read Presidents' minds? Have you told the National Enquirer about this? You could make a couple of hundred bucks.
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Because I am capable of following evidence, rather than the right's penchant for hopeful wishes and narrative fill in the blank.
 
Rosie1 said:
I hope everyone who voted for such a nutcase are just real proud of themselves.
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Yeah, because they all should have been psychic and seen the future.
 
holbritter said:
Yeah, because they all should have been psychic and seen the future.
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I always cringe when I unintentionally slander you holbritter. I'm sorry if you feel attacked in this thread.
 
NIMBY said:
I see you've signed up for your fair share of public abuse from those that will try to silence and intimidate you.
These are the same people who like putin more than Obama because he's white.

Their defending of slaughtering our students as 'collateral damage' so they can have their own national guard armory shows just how impossible it will ever be to come together. They have been planning for a 2nd civil war within each of the 50 states since the WMD ban in 1994.

The best thing your Young generation has going for it is that all of these older gun addicts will die ...
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That's just emotional hyperbole. I haven't seen one person defend the slaughtering of our students. And it's nice that you are happy that certain people will die. Hypocritical spewing nonsense.
 
Winston said:
I always cringe when I unintentionally slander you holbritter. I'm sorry if you feel attacked in this thread.
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You didn't(?) And I don't.

I didn't vote for Trump, but for those that did, to try and guilt them for something they didn't see in the future is silly. And yes, Trump saying something like that after the loss of all those lives, was not a 'should have known' situation. (Wanted to cut that argument off)
 
holbritter said:
You didn't(?) And I don't.

I didn't vote for Trump, but for those that did, to try and guilt them for something they didn't see in the future is silly. And yes, Trump saying something like that after the loss of all those lives, was not a 'should have known' situation. (Wanted to cut that argument off)
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Due to the nature of the forum rules, I have to say things like 'the right' or 'conservatives' when I mean it in a narrow way. I understand there's nuance within the conservative voting bloc and I don't think all conservatives are crazy right wing nutjobs. I really respect your political beliefs and I think you have good sense.
 
MovingPictures said:
Well, to be fair, the man has an obsessive personality in general, so that doesn't really tell us anything. I think the problem we all have with Trumps obstruction and abuse of power is we see it through the lens of how we'd act if we were guilty of something, but Trump doesn't have behavioral patterns that are all that normal to begin with.

There's nothing within Trump (or any Trump for that matter) that disciplines him, or any common sense to guide him as to how certain actions will look to people if/when those actions become public. He just does whatever his impulses pull him to do, which is often rooted in personal vendettas and politics, and lashing out at investigators because of them.
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Yes. That explains his behavior. Assume for a moment that Trump IS innocent. Do you think Trump would be acting differently than he is now? I don't. I think this is exactly how a person with Trumps personality would handle things if he were innocent.
 
Winston said:
Due to the nature of the forum rules, I have to say things like 'the right' or 'conservatives' when I mean it in a narrow way. I understand there's nuance within the conservative voting bloc and I don't think all conservatives are crazy right wing nutjobs. I really respect your political beliefs and I think you have good sense.
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Thank you for that. You are not one of the 'broad brush' people out there, and are appreciated for that. :)
 
Rosie1 said:
I hope everyone who voted for such a nutcase are just real proud of themselves.
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I most certainly am. Proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with what is already one of our most accomplished presdidents.

I mean we have the direct comparison now, after a year, one year only, wherein he his already outdone Obama's 8 years. And bonus, he did't use the FBI DOJ, IRS, CIA ,State Department to spy on, illegally hassle, etc his political opponents and coverup for political cronies.

Yano?
 
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