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The Russia-Trump collusion story is a total hoax, when will this taxpayer funded charade end

Dittohead not! said:
The clear implication is that the president has a personal interest in seeing to it that the truth of the Russian matter not be told.
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Because . . . ?

As far as I know, Trump has neither spoken against nor tried to impede in any way against the investigation into Russian interference in and of itself. He HAS objected to the investigation into the supposed "collusion." (Look at your own OP and thread title.) And the collusion investigation is the only thing clearly spelled out in the Mueller appointment letter, even though it does, by reference, include other areas of investigation, so why wouldn't it be the basis of clear objection to it?

As to why one might object to the Mueller appointment without wanting to hide some "truth," it's because there's a strong argument that it was an improper appointment in the first place. The only reason to appoint a special prosecutor is if there's a criminal matter which needs to investigated and there's a conflict of interest in the Department of Justice over that investigation. There was no ongoing criminal investigation, there was only a counterintelligence investigation. The special prosecutor is not appointed to look for any crimes which might exist; a special prosecutor is appointed to investigate possible crimes for which there is reason to believe were committed. There was no particular evidence of criminal wrongdoing on which to base an investigation by special prosecutor. Trump himself was never the target of the counterintelligence investigation, was told that he was not, but then, suddenly, he was being investigated by a special prosecutor, appointed without evidence of criminal wrongdoing. Who wouldn't object to that?
 
Harshaw said:
Because . . . ?

As far as I know, Trump has neither spoken against nor tried to impede in any way against the investigation into Russian interference in and of itself. He HAS objected to the investigation into the supposed "collusion." (Look at your own OP and thread title.) And the collusion investigation is the only thing clearly spelled out in the Mueller appointment letter, even though it does, by reference, include other areas of investigation, so why wouldn't it be the basis of clear objection to it?

As to why one might object to the Mueller appointment without wanting to hide some "truth," it's because there's a strong argument that it was an improper appointment in the first place. The only reason to appoint a special prosecutor is if there's a criminal matter which needs to investigated and there's a conflict of interest in the Department of Justice over that investigation. There was no ongoing criminal investigation, there was only a counterintelligence investigation. The special prosecutor is not appointed to look for any crimes which might exist; a special prosecutor is appointed to investigate possible crimes for which there is reason to believe were committed. There was no particular evidence of criminal wrongdoing on which to base an investigation by special prosecutor. Trump himself was never the target of the counterintelligence investigation, was told that he was not, but then, suddenly, he was being investigated by a special prosecutor, appointed without evidence of criminal wrongdoing. Who wouldn't object to that?
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No criminal investigation, and yet people were indicted.

So, it's your opinion that Trump supported the investigation into Russian meddling, this despite the tweet about believing Putin, but only objected to the investigation into "collusion?"
 
Dittohead not! said:
No criminal investigation, and yet people were indicted.
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There, in fact, was no criminal investigation before Mueller was appointed, no. There was a counterintelligence investigation.

As for the indictments from the Trump camp, one was indicted for entirely unrelated things which happened years before the campaign. The other was indicted for process offenses which wouldn't have existed if there were no investigation.

The indictments of the Russians don't have anything to do with Trump.

So, it's your opinion that Trump supported the investigation into Russian meddling, this despite the tweet about believing Putin, but only objected to the investigation into "collusion?"
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Trump has been very inconsistent about a lot of things, but for the most part, his objections have been to the collusion investigation, not the investigation into Russian interference (which he has made no attempt to stop).

In any case, whatever his motivations, you seemed to think there was only one motivation possible (though you're being stubbornly opaque as to exactly what it is). That simply isn't true.
 
Harshaw said:
There, in fact, was no criminal investigation before Mueller was appointed, no. There was a counterintelligence investigation.

As for the indictments from the Trump camp, one was indicted for entirely unrelated things which happened years before the campaign. The other was indicted for process offenses which wouldn't have existed if there were no investigation.

The indictments of the Russians don't have anything to do with Trump.



Trump has been very inconsistent about a lot of things, but for the most part, his objections have been to the collusion investigation, not the investigation into Russian interference (which he has made no attempt to stop).

In any case, whatever his motivations, you seemed to think there was only one motivation possible (though you're being stubbornly opaque as to exactly what it is). That simply isn't true.
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Why would Trump want to stop an investigation into criminal activity unless that criminal activity had benefited him in one way or another?

There, quire un opaque.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Trump's tweet back in May said, "The Russia-Trump collusion story is a total hoax, when will this taxpayer funded charade end?"



Trump’s Russia ‘hoax’ turns out to be real


but neither Trump nor his minions will ever admit that he opposed the Russian investigation and that the facts showed that he was wrong. Now what, Mr. President?
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Russia-Trump collusion was a hoax!!

He didnt say a damn thing about Russian Trolls on FB etc being a hoax! :lamo
 
Dittohead not! said:
"Putin says he didn't do it, and I believe him."
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So if 13 Libs tried while Obama was in office to effect an election in Israel, does that mean Obama did it? Oh wait!
 
Dittohead not! said:
Trump's tweet back in May said, "The Russia-Trump collusion story is a total hoax, when will this taxpayer funded charade end?"



Trump’s Russia ‘hoax’ turns out to be real


but neither Trump nor his minions will ever admit that he opposed the Russian investigation and that the facts showed that he was wrong. Now what, Mr. President?
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It seems that you are lumping a whole bunch of issued together. There hasn't been any proof that Trump or his campaign colluded with Russians in the election. There is proof that Russians tried to cause problems with the election however Mueller's team has indicated that they haven't linked any Americans to the Russian conspiracy. They are different issues. Just because one points out that there were some dishonest top leaders in the FBI and DOJ that probably had bad intentions doesn't mean that same person is debasing the Mueller probe, or his current staff. As for myself, and I think there are a lot of people that believe the same way I do, I don't trust the FBI as far as I can piss in the wind. I still support the unfettered investigation that is being conducted by Mueller. I also think that there should be an independent counsel that looks at the actions and intentions of Strozk, Comey, McCabe, Baker, Ohr and Page, just to name a few. Those folks weren't removed from their jobs for coming to work late. I also support the ongoing investigations into Clinton's emails, the Clinton Foundation and the unmasking of Trump transition team, just to name a few.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Why would Trump want to stop an investigation into criminal activity unless that criminal activity had benefited him in one way or another?
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I just told you. Do you think people who aren't guilty don't mind being criminally investigated?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Why would Trump want to stop an investigation into criminal activity unless that criminal activity had benefited him in one way or another?

There, quire un opaque.
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Im not guilty of anything

But I dont want cops going though my house and bank records etc etc for the next 2 years....DO YOU?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Why would Trump want to stop an investigation into criminal activity unless that criminal activity had benefited him in one way or another?

There, quire un opaque.
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First of all, Trump hasn't done anything to stop the investigation. Second, Trumps focus on this investigation has been in clearing his name of the collusion charge. Assume for a moment that Trump IS innocent yet has a special prosecutor hounding him and half the nation and a liberal press accusing him of treason 50 times a day for the last year and a half. Would you be calling the investigation a witch hunt and want your name cleared?
 
Fletch said:
First of all, Trump hasn't done anything to stop the investigation. Second, Trumps focus on this investigation has been in clearing his name of the collusion charge. Assume for a moment that Trump IS innocent yet has a special prosecutor hounding him and half the nation and a liberal press accusing him of treason 50 times a day for the last year and a half. Would you be calling the investigation a witch hunt and want your name cleared?
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Let's say , if I was innocent... I would not be attacking the very groups that were investigating me, and I would make sure they had all the resources behind them to clear my name.
 
RAMOSS said:
Let's say , if I was innocent... I would not be attacking the very groups that were investigating me, and I would make sure they had all the resources behind them to clear my name.
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It seems that everyone in his administration has cooperated with Mueller. I think the problem here is Trump. It seems an innocent trump would behave the same way as would a guilty Trump
 
Fletch said:
It seems that everyone in his administration has cooperated with Mueller. I think the problem here is Trump. It seems an innocent trump would behave the same way as would a guilty Trump
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I do not see that statement to be true.
 
RAMOSS said:
I do not see that statement to be true.
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So if u ran a business and the Feds were investigating u for 2 years for something u didn't do...And the local news were reporting on it every day like u were guilty as hell


you would be ok with that
 
RAMOSS said:
I do not see that statement to be true.
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Well, so far, there has been zero evidence that Trump has done anything wrong. That is not in dispute. Even democrats on the congressional committes investigating this have all claimed to have seen no evidence of collusion.
 
Fletch said:
Well, so far, there has been zero evidence that Trump has done anything wrong. That is not in dispute. Even democrats on the congressional committes investigating this have all claimed to have seen no evidence of collusion.
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Is it?? DO you know what Mueller found or did not find?? How do you know that? Isn't it remarkable that all the people that Mueller is really putting the screws on are linked to the meeting in Trump tower with the Russians?
 
RAMOSS said:
Is it?? DO you know what Mueller found or did not find?? How do you know that? Isn't it remarkable that all the people that Mueller is really putting the screws on are linked to the meeting in Trump tower with the Russians?
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Manaforts issues predate his association with Trump, but no, we don't know what Mueller has, but we do know what charges he has brought and what the congressional committees have turned up. So far, no collusion.
 
Fletch said:
Manaforts issues predate his association with Trump, but no, we don't know what Mueller has, but we do know what charges he has brought and what the congressional committees have turned up. So far, no collusion.
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Your post has nothing to do with what I wrote.
 
volsrock said:
Im not guilty of anything

But I dont want cops going though my house and bank records etc etc for the next 2 years....DO YOU?
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Who was going through Trump;s house and bank records? Somehow, I must have missed that.
 
Fletch said:
First of all, Trump hasn't done anything to stop the investigation. Second, Trumps focus on this investigation has been in clearing his name of the collusion charge. Assume for a moment that Trump IS innocent yet has a special prosecutor hounding him and half the nation and a liberal press accusing him of treason 50 times a day for the last year and a half. Would you be calling the investigation a witch hunt and want your name cleared?
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Why did he say that Putin denies having meddled in the election, and that he believes him? Why call the investigation a "witch hunt?" Why did he really fire Comey? Trump has been against the investigation from the start.
 
Harshaw said:
After Mueller's appointment, yes. What kind of a question is that?
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Did Trump lie?

President Trump said on Saturday he was not under investigation for collusion with Russia, but added that his former political opponent Hillary Clinton could be, amid reports the FBI is probing the Clinton Foundation.

"Just so you understand, there's been no collusion. There's been no crime. And in theory, everybody tells me I'm not under investigation. Maybe Hillary is, I don't know, but I'm not," the president said while addressing reporters at Camp David.
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Dittohead not! said:
Why did he say that Putin denies having meddled in the election, and that he believes him? Why call the investigation a "witch hunt?" Why did he really fire Comey? Trump has been against the investigation from the start.
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He has been against an investigation into him for collusion from the start. And the reason he blows off the Russian meddling angle is because he doesn't want anything to tarnish his victory. Everything is about him. Once you accept that, you understand his behavior.
 
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